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Unknown Filter Type - larkjon - Jan 13 17:43:00 2005




Hi,

I've "inherited" the following filter:

	Yn = Yn-1 + C(Xn-Xn-1)^2 - C(Xn-Xn-1)(Yn-1)
	Where
		Yi are outputs
		Xi are inputs
		C is a constant
The filter performs a smoothing function.  Does anyone recognize the 
form of this filter?
What type is it?  Any good reference material on this filter?

Thanks,
Jon
	


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Re: Unknown Filter Type - Wei Li - Jan 14 10:54:00 2005

I don't think it is a filter, cause it isn't linear with the
(Xn-Xn-1)^2 build in.

> Hi,
> 
> I've "inherited" the following filter:
> 
>        Yn = Yn-1 + C(Xn-Xn-1)^2 - C(Xn-Xn-1)(Yn-1)
>        Where
>                Yi are outputs
>                Xi are inputs
>                C is a constant
> The filter performs a smoothing function.  Does anyone recognize the
> form of this filter?
> What type is it?  Any good reference material on this filter?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jon
	


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RE: Unknown Filter Type - Egler, Mark - Jan 14 11:10:00 2005

It's not linear, true. But I think it is a form of 2nd-order Volterra filter. Look it up and see if I'm right (I could be mistaken).
 
Mark
 -----Original Message-----
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To: a...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [audiodsp] Unknown Filter Type


I don't think it is a filter, cause it isn't linear with the
(Xn-Xn-1)^2 build in.

> Hi,
>
> I've "inherited" the following filter:
>
>        Yn = Yn-1 + C(Xn-Xn-1)^2 - C(Xn-Xn-1)(Yn-1)
>        Where
>                ; Yi are outputs
>                ; Xi are inputs
>                ; C is a constant
> The filter performs a smoothing function.  Does anyone recognize the
> form of this filter?
> What type is it?  Any good reference material on this filter?
>
> Thanks,
> Jon


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RE: Unknown Filter Type - Egler, Mark - Jan 14 11:32:00 2005

I looked it up myself, and I was wrong. A Volterra filter is not recursive, i.e. it's FIR but with polynomial terms. What Jon has is recursive (IIR) and I haven't found a name for that other than Recursive Non-Linear Difference Equation. The article I found was "Adaptive Polynomial Filters" by V. John Mathews in IEEE Signal Processing Magazine, july 1991. Of course,  the "inherited" filter isn't adaptive if C is constant.
 
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Egler, Mark
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 10:10 AM
To: 'Wei Li'; 'a...@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [audiodsp] Unknown Filter Type

It's not linear, true. But I think it is a form of 2nd-order Volterra filter. Look it up and see if I'm right (I could be mistaken).
 
Mark
 -----Original Message-----
From: Wei Li [mailto:l...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2005 9:54 AM
To: a...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [audiodsp] Unknown Filter Type


I don't think it is a filter, cause it isn't linear with the
(Xn-Xn-1)^2 build in.

> Hi,
>
> I've "inherited" the following filter:
>
>        Yn = Yn-1 + C(Xn-Xn-1)^2 - C(Xn-Xn-1)(Yn-1)
>        Where
>                ; Yi are outputs
>                ; Xi are inputs
>                ; C is a constant
> The filter performs a smoothing function.  Does anyone recognize the
> form of this filter?
> What type is it?  Any good reference material on this filter?
>
> Thanks,
> Jon


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Re: Unknown Filter Type - Martin Eisenberg - Jan 14 14:16:00 2005

From: "larkjon" <jon.lark@jon....>

> I've "inherited" the following filter:
>
> Yn = Yn-1 + C(Xn-Xn-1)^2 - C(Xn-Xn-1)(Yn-1)
> Where
> Yi are outputs
> Xi are inputs
> C is a constant
> The filter performs a smoothing function.  Does
> anyone recognize the form of this filter?
> What type is it?  Any good reference material on this filter?

It reminds me of the recursive nonlinear filter described in the
paper "Experiments with non-linear filters" by Richard Dobson &
John Ffitch, Proceedings of the ICMC 1996. That one has the form
Y[n] = a Y[n-1] + b Y[n-2] + d Y[n-L]^2 + X[n] - C,
which is of course not quite the same. Also, I haven't read the
paper myself, so I can't say if it would be useful to you to
check it out. Maybe ask Richard about yours or post to the
music-dsp mailing list, which he reads.
	Martin
	


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