Adaptive Filter | ADPCM | ADSP | ADSP-2181 | Aliasing | AMR | Anti-Aliasing | ARMA | Autocorrelation | AutoCovariance | Beamforming | Bessel | Blackfin | Butterworth | C6713 | CCS | Chebyshev | CIC Filter | Circular Convolution | Code Composer Studio | Comb Filter | Compression | Convolution | Cross Correlation | DCT | Decimation | Deconvolution | Demodulation | DM642 | DSP Boards | DSP/BIOS | DTMF | Echo Cancellation | Equalization | Equalizer | ETSI | EZLITE (Ez-kit Lite) | FFT | FFTW | FIR Filter | Fixed Point | FSK | G.711 | G.723 | G.729 | Gaussian Noise | Goertzel | GPIO | Hilbert Transform | IFFT | IIR Filter | Interpolation | Invariance | JTAG | Kalman | Laplace Transform | Levinson | LPC | McBSP | MIPS | Modulation | MPEG | Multirate | Notch Filter | Nyquist | OFDM | Oversampling | Pink Noise | Pitch | PLL | Polyphase | QAM | QDMA | Quantization | Quantizer | Radar | Random Noise | Reed Solomon | Remez | Resampling | RTDX | Sampling | Sharc | TI C6711 | Undersampling | Viterbi | Wavelets | White Noise | Wiener Filter | Windowing | XDS510PP | Z Transform

How much management should be taught in an undergrad engineering
degree? Or should management be left to industry for you to pick up
later?


Hardy

______________________________
New DSP Code Snippets Section now Live.   Learn more about the reward program for contributors here.

HardySpicer wrote:
> How much management should be taught in an undergrad engineering
> degree? Or should management be left to industry for you to pick up
> later?

http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/cynicism/

I think it should be encouraged, but not forced.  Engineering is 
engineering, management is management.  If someone were to teach 
management specifically for engineers, the first lesson should be "these 
domains are almost completely orthogonal".

Understanding business concerns will make you a better engineer, but if 
you really want to be a manager you should either pick it up on the job, 
or make business your minor, to study along with engineering.

-- 
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

______________________________
New DSP Code Snippets Section now Live.   Learn more about the reward program for contributors here.

HardySpicer wrote:

> How much management should be taught in an undergrad engineering
> degree? Or should management be left to industry for you to pick up
> later?

Just enough so they could manage themselves. An engineer should be a 
technical nutcase. It is very counter productive when an engineer thinks 
like manager.

VLV

______________________________
New DSP Code Snippets Section now Live.   Learn more about the reward program for contributors here.

On 15 Mar, 20:35, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How much management should be taught in an undergrad engineering
> degree? Or should management be left to industry for you to pick up
> later?

Engineers *should* learn *some* management. Basic economy,
legal aspects of contracts, some group psychology. I am
sure one could debate how much of each they should learn,
but students should learn *something*. If for no other
reason, so to get "managment" or "economy" on the CV.

Stupid as it sounds, that entry alone can make or brake
a job application. But then, we are talking about managment
decisions...

Rune

______________________________
New DSP Code Snippets Section now Live.   Learn more about the reward program for contributors here.

HardySpicer wrote:
> How much management should be taught in an undergrad engineering
> degree? Or should management be left to industry for you to pick up
> later?

None.

Jerry
-- 
Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen, and thinking what
nobody has thought.    .. Albert Szent-Gyorgi
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

______________________________
New DSP Code Snippets Section now Live.   Learn more about the reward program for contributors here.

On Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:35:53 -0700 (PDT)
HardySpicer <g...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How much management should be taught in an undergrad engineering
> degree? Or should management be left to industry for you to pick up
> later?
> 
> 
> Hardy

They're having a hard enough time teaching any engineering in an
undergrad engineering degree.  God help us all if they try to teach
some 21 year old who's never touched a soldering iron how to run the
show.

-- 
Rob Gaddi, Highland Technology
Email address is currently out of order

______________________________
New DSP Code Snippets Section now Live.   Learn more about the reward program for contributors here.

Rune Allnor wrote:
> On 15 Mar, 20:35, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> How much management should be taught in an undergrad engineering
>> degree? Or should management be left to industry for you to pick up
>> later?
> 
> Engineers *should* learn *some* management. Basic economy,
> legal aspects of contracts, some group psychology.

Basic economy, legal aspects of contracts, and some group psychology are 
tools managers should have. So should engineers, shopkeepers, parents, 
ministers, and rabbis. They don't constitute management /per se/. The 
only people I worked for who actually studied management as 
undergraduates were among the worst managers I had.

> I am
> sure one could debate how much of each they should learn,
> but students should learn *something*. If for no other
> reason, so to get "managment" or "economy" on the CV.
> 
> Stupid as it sounds, that entry alone can make or brake
> a job application. But then, we are talking about managment
> decisions...

I question applicants I interview about what they claim to know. I'm 
less concerned about what they may lack than about what they claim they 
know but don't.

Jerry
-- 
Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen, and thinking what
nobody has thought.    .. Albert Szent-Gyorgi
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯

______________________________
New DSP Code Snippets Section now Live.   Learn more about the reward program for contributors here.

Jerry Avins wrote:
> Rune Allnor wrote:
>> On 15 Mar, 20:35, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> How much management should be taught in an undergrad engineering
>>> degree? Or should management be left to industry for you to pick up
>>> later?
>>
>> Engineers *should* learn *some* management. Basic economy,
>> legal aspects of contracts, some group psychology.
> 
> Basic economy, legal aspects of contracts, and some group psychology are 
> tools managers should have. So should engineers, shopkeepers, parents, 
> ministers, and rabbis. They don't constitute management /per se/. The 
> only people I worked for who actually studied management as 
> undergraduates were among the worst managers I had.
> 
>> I am
>> sure one could debate how much of each they should learn,
>> but students should learn *something*. If for no other
>> reason, so to get "managment" or "economy" on the CV.
>>
>> Stupid as it sounds, that entry alone can make or brake
>> a job application. But then, we are talking about managment
>> decisions...
> 
> I question applicants I interview about what they claim to know. I'm 
> less concerned about what they may lack than about what they claim they 
> know but don't.

I'd rather work with an idiot who can dig a straight ditch and won't 
attempt a curved ditch because he knows it is beyond him, than to work 
with a genius who thinks he's God.

Same principle, different directions.

-- 
Tim Wescott
Control system and signal processing consulting
www.wescottdesign.com

______________________________
New DSP Code Snippets Section now Live.   Learn more about the reward program for contributors here.

On Mar 15, 3:35=A0pm, HardySpicer <gyansor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How much management should be taught in an undergrad engineering
> degree? Or should management be left to industry for you to pick up
> later?
>
> Hardy

Zip.  Engineers that want to go into management will already be smart
enough to  learn the "technical" aspects of management, and the people
aspects of management cannot be taught at the college level.

______________________________
New DSP Code Snippets Section now Live.   Learn more about the reward program for contributors here.

>How much management should be taught in an undergrad engineering
>degree? Or should management be left to industry for you to pick up
>later?

Management is a pretty broad term. If I look at what my wife's MBA course
covered, I'd say some of the law material should be compulsory in
engineering courses.

When I was at college we considered the Law for Engineers option to be for
people who couldn't face the tougher alternatives. I later realised this
was a silly attitude. All engineers bump against legal issues regularly. If
you are doing the deepest of technical work, you'll still bump against
patent, copyright, trademark and liability issues, that few engineering
graduates, even today, seem to have been given much grounding in. If you go
into more customer facing work you'll bump against a variety of commercial
laws.

Steve

______________________________
New DSP Code Snippets Section now Live.   Learn more about the reward program for contributors here.