If anyone has been wondering, I am and have been fine. I hope to get 
back into the swim soon.

Jerry
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"Jerry Avins" <j...@ieee.org> wrote in message 
news:%X7as.3509$A...@newsfe02.iad...
> If anyone has been wondering, I am and have been fine. I hope to get back 
> into the swim soon.

Jerri,
It is good to hear that you do well.

BTW,  what was the quote in your signature about "your rights are guaranteed 
in no greater or lesser extent then the rights of the most abhorrent ones" ?

VLV

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012 23:18:35 -0400, Jerry Avins wrote:

> If anyone has been wondering, I am and have been fine. I hope to get
> back into the swim soon.

Jerry, it's good to hear from you.  I'm looking forward to your input.

-- 
My liberal friends think I'm a conservative kook.
My conservative friends think I'm a liberal kook.
Why am I not happy that they have found common ground?

Tim Wescott, Communications, Control, Circuits & Software
http://www.wescottdesign.com

On 9/30/2012 8:18 PM, Jerry Avins wrote:
> If anyone has been wondering, I am and have been fine. I hope to get
> back into the swim soon.
>
> Jerry

Jerry,

Well, yes, as a matter of fact I had been wondering.  Good to hear 
you're fine and just bored with us!  :-)

Fred

On 10/1/12 2:20 PM, Fred Marshall wrote:
> On 9/30/2012 8:18 PM, Jerry Avins wrote:
>> If anyone has been wondering, I am and have been fine. I hope to get
>> back into the swim soon.
>>
>
> Well, yes, as a matter of fact I had been wondering. Good to hear you're
> fine and just bored with us! :-)
>

i sorta pay attention, Jerry.  but this time i wasn't worrying.  some 
time ago (maybe it was a year), i did have a concern and posted as much 
to the newsgroup.

keep us informed.

haven't been to NYC since last October (the AES), and don't expect to be 
around again until next year.  i hope to connect one way or 'nother, Jerry.

L8r,


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r b-j                  r...@audioimagination.com

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

On 10/1/2012 11:58 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
 > "Jerry Avins" <j...@ieee.org> wrote in message
 > news:%X7as.3509$A...@newsfe02.iad...
 >> If anyone has been wondering, I am and have been fine. I hope to get 
back
 >> into the swim soon.
 >
 > Jerri,
 > It is good to hear that you do well.
 >
 > BTW,  what was the quote in your signature about "your rights are 
guaranteed
 > in no greater or lesser extent then the rights of the most abhorrent 
ones" ?


       "The rights of the best of men are secured only as the
       rights of the vilest and most abhorrent are protected."
           - Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes, 1927

I don't believe than many modern-day Republicans would write that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Evans_Hughes

Jerry
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The parties have changed. I grew up in the South where the Democrats were the party of the
KKK, passed Jim Crow and segregation laws, voted against the Civil Rights acts and implemented
poll taxes. We even had Bull Conner (Birmingham Alabama) who institutionalized the using of the
fire department to wash people of color away. I personally remember Lestor Maddox (Gov. of
Georgia right before Jimmy Carter) standing in the doorway of his restaurant with an ax barring
entry to persons of color. You don't have to go back to 1927 to find the last good politicians.
Republicans were instrumental in passing Johnson's 1964 Civil Rights Act when the Democrats
voted against it.

Sadly contemporary versions of both major parties are mainly concerned with getting reelected
and not actually doing what is good for the country.

We are most definitely screwed!!

On 10/2/12 4:57 PM, c...@claysturner.com wrote:
> The parties have changed. I grew up in the South where the Democrats were the party of the
KKK, passed Jim Crow and segregation laws, voted against the Civil Rights acts and implemented
poll taxes. We even had Bull Conner (Birmingham Alabama) who institutionalized the using of the
fire department to wash people of color away. I personally remember Lestor Maddox (Gov. of
Georgia right before Jimmy Carter) standing in the doorway of his restaurant with an ax barring
entry to persons of color. You don't have to go back to 1927 to find the last good politicians.
Republicans were instrumental in passing Johnson's 1964 Civil Rights Act when the Democrats
voted against it.

even though i was too young to vote, i remember the 1968 election that 
had an independent candidate named George Wallace.  and he was 
previously a Democrat.  that was, in my opinion, the watershed moment 
when the U.S. Democratic Party had a self-identification moment where 
they had to decide who they really were.  Vietnam was happening, the 
Chicago riots, another George was the very next Dem party presidential 
nominee.  so you can see which way the party moved.

now, i think Jerry's point is that the author to this quote about 
protecting the rights of the abhorrent, Justice Hughes was the GOP 
standard-bearer at one time.  would today's GOP be particularly 
sympathetic to that quote?  i think not so much, but the ACLU and the 
liberals would call that an example of "statesmanship".  same for 
Lincoln.  same for TR.  maybe even the same for Eisenhower (regarding 
his "military-industrial complex" quote).

> Sadly contemporary versions of both major parties are mainly concerned with getting
reelected and not actually doing what is good for the country.
>
> We are most definitely screwed!!

when do we drop our pants and bend over?  November 7th?


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r b-j                  r...@audioimagination.com

"Imagination is more important than knowledge."

As I said the parties have changed. But when it comes to protecting the rights of the abhorrent,
look at who is complaining and who is not complaining about the "video" that was
claimed to spark the recent embassy attacks on 9/11resulting in the death of an ambassador. I
don't think there is a clear and cut dividing line between the parties as each party chooses to
protect a "right" when it suits them and weakens it when it suits them. Certainly the
government's asking UTUBE to remove the video goes against the 1st amendment involving
government and its limiting of free speech. Of course UTUBE exercised their rights and refused
removal of the video.

Clay

On 10/2/2012 4:57 PM, c...@claysturner.com wrote:
> The parties have changed. I grew up in the South where the Democrats were the party of the
KKK, passed Jim Crow and segregation laws, voted against the Civil Rights acts and implemented
poll taxes. We even had Bull Conner (Birmingham Alabama) who institutionalized the using of the
fire department to wash people of color away. I personally remember Lestor Maddox (Gov. of
Georgia right before Jimmy Carter) standing in the doorway of his restaurant with an ax barring
entry to persons of color. You don't have to go back to 1927 to find the last good politicians.
Republicans were instrumental in passing Johnson's 1964 Civil Rights Act when the Democrats
voted against it.
>
> Sadly contemporary versions of both major parties are mainly concerned with getting
reelected and not actually doing what is good for the country.
>
> We are most definitely screwed!!

Clay,

I replied to you directly. Do you mind if I quote myself here?

Jerry
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