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ITU recommendations, V-series, Naming - momo - 2004-09-23 09:23:00
Hi is any one familiar with the v series data modems who could help me out? what does "bis" indicate in the naming convention? v.32 versus v.32bis? thanx momo______________________________
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Re: ITU recommendations, V-series, Naming - Allan Herriman - 2004-09-23 09:31:00
On 23 Sep 2004 06:23:41 -0700, m...@yahoo.com.au (momo) wrote: >Hi >is any one familiar with the v series data modems who could help me out? >what does "bis" indicate in the naming convention? v.32 versus v.32bis? http://www.freetranslation.com/ says that 'bis' is French for 'encore'. V.32bis is a modification or enhancement to V.32. Regards, Allan______________________________
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Re: ITU recommendations, V-series, Naming - Jerry Avins - 2004-09-23 10:52:00
momo wrote:
> Hi
> is any one familiar with the v series data modems who could help me out?
> what does "bis" indicate in the naming convention? v.32 versus v.32bis?
>
> thanx
> momo
In European music halls, you might hear "Bis!" instead of "Encore!".
In specs, it means updated, etymologically related to "two". I believe
the official translation of v.32bis is v.32(a).
Since older specs are rarely obsoleted, it effectively means expanded
or more encompassing (if you say "enhanced", I will be forced to sneer
again) in most cases.
Jerry
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Re: ITU recommendations, V-series, Naming - Jerry Avins - 2004-09-23 11:05:00
Allan Herriman wrote:
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> V.32bis is a modification or enhancement to V.32.
^^^^^^^^^^^
Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :-)
Jerry
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... they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one ...
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Re: ITU recommendations, V-series, Naming - Allan Herriman - 2004-09-23 11:48:00
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:05:27 -0400, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote: >Allan Herriman wrote: > > ... >> V.32bis is a modification or enhancement to V.32. > ^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :-) I may have been right in this particular case though. V.32 A family of 2-wire, duplex modems operating at data signalling rates of up to 9600 bit/s for use on the general switched telephone network and on leased telephone-type circuits V.32bis ... up to 14 400 bit/s ... Regards, Allan______________________________
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Re: ITU recommendations, V-series, Naming - Jerry Avins - 2004-09-23 12:07:00
Allan Herriman wrote: > On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:05:27 -0400, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote: > > >>Allan Herriman wrote: >> >> ... >> >>>V.32bis is a modification or enhancement to V.32. >> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >> >>Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :-) > > > > I may have been right in this particular case though. > > V.32 > A family of 2-wire, duplex modems operating at data signalling rates > of up to 9600 bit/s for use on the general switched telephone network > and on leased telephone-type circuits > > V.32bis > ... up to 14 400 bit/s ... > > Regards, > Allan From The Century Dictionary: Enhance 1. To raise up; lift up; elevate. 2. To lift up to a higher degree; increase to a higher point; carry upward or to a greater extent; heighten; make greater, as prices or one's reputation or dignity ... It doesn't mean improved or enlarged, and it's a stretch to read "more encompassing" into it. Note that it properly refers to a price increase. So yes, it may have been right in this case. Can one un-scream? Jerry -- ... they proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, ... and that therefor ... they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one ... A. H. ______________________________
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Re: ITU recommendations, V-series, Naming - Allan Herriman - 2004-09-23 12:35:00
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 12:07:11 -0400, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote: >Allan Herriman wrote: > >> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 11:05:27 -0400, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote: >> >> >>>Allan Herriman wrote: >>> >>> ... >>> >>>>V.32bis is a modification or enhancement to V.32. >>> >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> >>>Aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! :-) >> >> >> >> I may have been right in this particular case though. >> >> V.32 >> A family of 2-wire, duplex modems operating at data signalling rates >> of up to 9600 bit/s for use on the general switched telephone network >> and on leased telephone-type circuits >> >> V.32bis >> ... up to 14 400 bit/s ... >> >> Regards, >> Allan > > From The Century Dictionary: > >Enhance >1. To raise up; lift up; elevate. >2. To lift up to a higher degree; increase to a higher point; carry > upward or to a greater extent; heighten; make greater, as prices > or one's reputation or dignity ... From http://www.dictionary.com ( http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enhance ) Enhance 1 To make greater, as in value, beauty, or effectiveness; augment. 2 To provide with improved, advanced, or sophisticated features. I give up. Regards, Allan______________________________
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Re: ITU recommendations, V-series, Naming - Jerry Avins - 2004-09-23 13:35:00
Allan Herriman wrote: ... > From http://www.dictionary.com > ( http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=enhance ) > > Enhance > 1 To make greater, as in value, beauty, or effectiveness; augment. > 2 To provide with improved, advanced, or sophisticated features. > > I give up. So do I. It seems that the hype has made it to the dictionary. I lose, but so does the specificity of the language. Jerry -- ... they proceeded on the sound principle that the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, ... and that therefor ... they more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a little one ... A. H. ______________________________
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Re: ITU recommendations, V-series, Naming - Steve Underwood - 2004-09-23 21:26:00
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000509000800030802010207 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Allan Herriman wrote: >On 23 Sep 2004 06:23:41 -0700, m...@yahoo.com.au (momo) >wrote: > > > >>Hi >>is any one familiar with the v series data modems who could help me out? >>what does "bis" indicate in the naming convention? v.32 versus v.32bis? >> >> > >http://www.freetranslation.com/ says that 'bis' is French for >'encore'. > >V.32bis is a modification or enhancement to V.32. > >Regards, >Allan > > bis has that sense. However, in the ITU specs. it specifically means the second version of the spec. There are some specs with later editions, where the name reflects that. For example, the version of V.27 used in FAX machines in V.27ter - the third version. The ITU can be a little wacky with its numbering, though. Some specs have been completely renumbered. G.726 is what used to be G.723, and G.723.1 is now something completely different. Regards, Steve --------------000509000800030802010207 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"> <html> <head> <meta content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1" http-equiv="Content-Type"> <title></title> </head> <body bgcolor="#ffffff" text="#000000"> Allan Herriman wrote: <blockquote cite="m...@4ax.com" type="cite"> <pre wrap="">On 23 Sep 2004 06:23:41 -0700, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:m...@yahoo.com.au">m...@yahoo.com.au</a> (momo) wrote: </pre> <blockquote type="cite"> <pre wrap="">Hi is any one familiar with the v series data modems who could help me out? what does "bis" indicate in the naming convention? v.32 versus v.32bis? </pre> </blockquote> <pre wrap=""><!----> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.freetranslation.com/">http://www.freetranslation.com/</a>; says that 'bis' is French for 'encore'. V.32bis is a modification or enhancement to V.32. Regards, Allan </pre> </blockquote> bis has that sense. However, in the ITU specs. it specifically means the second version of the spec. There are some specs with later editions, where the name reflects that. For example, the version of V.27 used in FAX machines in V.27ter - the third version. The ITU can be a little wacky with its numbering, though. Some specs have been completely renumbered. G.726 is what used to be G.723, and G.723.1 is now something completely different.<br> <br> Regards,<br> Steve<br> <br> </body> </html> --------------000509000800030802010207--______________________________
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Re: ITU recommendations, V-series, Naming - James Knott - 2004-09-24 15:13:00
Allan Herriman wrote: > http://www.freetranslation.com/ says that 'bis' is French for > 'encore'. > I thought "encore" was french. -- (This space intentionally left blank)______________________________
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