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Hi, I am implementing arctan(x) in hardware can any one suggest me any of the algorithms other than cordic because it takes lots of iterations to reach the final result. Thanks and Regards Karthik W

karthikw wrote: > Hi, > I am implementing arctan(x) in hardware can any one suggest me any > of the algorithms other than cordic because it takes lots of iterations to > reach the final result. > Some sort of a table lookup + interpolation will probably be the best as far as speed/size. No matter what you do, you'll have some interesting effects as the slope goes to infinity -- you'll either be taking reciprocals (not speedy), or _really_ juggling cost/speed/precision issues. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

"karthikw" <k...@gmail.com> writes: > Hi, > I am implementing arctan(x) in hardware can any one suggest me any > of the algorithms other than cordic because it takes lots of iterations to > reach the final result. > > Thanks and Regards > Karthik W Hi Karthik, Try: Efficient approximations for the arctangent function Rajan, S.; Sichun Wang; Inkol, R.; Joyal, A.; Signal Processing Magazine, IEEE Volume 23, Issue 3, May 2006 Page(s):108 - 111 Digital Object Identifier 10.1109/MSP.2006.1628884 Summary: This paper provides several efficient approximations for the arctangent function using Lagrange interpolation and minimax optimization techniques. These approximations are particularly useful when processing power, memory, and power consumption are i..... -- % Randy Yates % "With time with what you've learned, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % they'll kiss the ground you walk %%% 919-577-9882 % upon." %%%% <y...@ieee.org> % '21st Century Man', *Time*, ELO http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

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karthikw wrote:
> Hi,
> I am implementing arctan(x) in hardware can any one suggest me any
> of the algorithms other than cordic because it takes lots of iterations to
> reach the final result.
What accuracy do you need? Over what range?
Jerry
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On Oct 2, 5:16 am, "karthikw" <karthikw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I am implementing arctan(x) in hardware can any one suggest me any
> of the algorithms other than cordic because it takes lots of iterations to
> reach the final result.
>
> Thanks and Regards
> Karthik W
If you are demodulating FM then forget it. You don't need arctan(x).
Hardy
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Tim Wescott wrote: > karthikw wrote: > > Hi, > > I am implementing arctan(x) in hardware can any one suggest me any > > of the algorithms other than cordic because it takes lots of iterations to > > reach the final result. > > Some sort of a table lookup + interpolation will probably be the best as > far as speed/size. No matter what you do, you'll have some interesting > effects as the slope goes to infinity The slope of the arctan goes to zero, not infinity. Perhaps this is interesting: http://dspguru.com/comp.dsp/tricks/alg/fxdatan2.htm Regards, Andor

Andor wrote: > Tim Wescott wrote: >> karthikw wrote: >>> Hi, >>> I am implementing arctan(x) in hardware can any one suggest me any >>> of the algorithms other than cordic because it takes lots of iterations to >>> reach the final result. >> Some sort of a table lookup + interpolation will probably be the best as >> far as speed/size. No matter what you do, you'll have some interesting >> effects as the slope goes to infinity > > The slope of the arctan goes to zero, not infinity. Perhaps this is > interesting: > arctan(x) = sin(x)/cos(x). As x goes to pi/2 the arctan (and it's slope) goes to infinity. Granted, for pi/4 < x < pi/2 you can use 1/(arctan(pi/2-x)) -- but then you're calculating a reciprocal, of a number, so you're back to some computationally intensive calculation. Not that I'm an expert. I've always sliced and diced the ordinate down to 0 <= x <= pi/4, then negated and inverted as necessary -- but I've never needed the absolute fastest speed, either. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

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Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:
> Andor wrote:
> > Tim Wescott wrote:
> >> karthikw wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>> I am implementing arctan(x) in hardware can any one suggest me any
> >>> of the algorithms other than cordic because it takes lots of iterations to
> >>> reach the final result.
> >> Some sort of a table lookup + interpolation will probably be the best as
> >> far as speed/size. No matter what you do, you'll have some interesting
> >> effects as the slope goes to infinity
>
> > The slope of the arctan goes to zero, not infinity. Perhaps this is
> > interesting:
>
> arctan(x) = sin(x)/cos(x). As x goes to pi/2 the arctan (and it's
> slope) goes to infinity.
You are mixing up tan with arctan.
Regards,
andor
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Andor wrote: > Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote: >> Andor wrote: >>> Tim Wescott wrote: >>>> karthikw wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> I am implementing arctan(x) in hardware can any one suggest me any >>>>> of the algorithms other than cordic because it takes lots of iterations to >>>>> reach the final result. >>>> Some sort of a table lookup + interpolation will probably be the best as >>>> far as speed/size. No matter what you do, you'll have some interesting >>>> effects as the slope goes to infinity >>> The slope of the arctan goes to zero, not infinity. Perhaps this is >>> interesting: >> arctan(x) = sin(x)/cos(x). As x goes to pi/2 the arctan (and it's >> slope) goes to infinity. > > You are mixing up tan with arctan. > > Regards, > andor > Argh. So I am. In which case a look-up table would work nice, except for the minor problem of the infinite ordinate -- then one may want a lookup table with ever-increasing intervals, which actually wouldn't be too bad to implement. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" gives you just what it says. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

On Oct 1, 5:43 pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote: > ... > > In which case a look-up table would work nice, except for the minor > problem of the infinite ordinate -- then one may want a lookup table > with ever-increasing intervals, which actually wouldn't be too bad to > implement. so how would one determine the index into the table without some repeated search and compare operations? also, i think something like arctan(1/x) = pi/2 - arctan(x) can be used for the the nearly infinite ordinates, no? (a division is required.) dunno how this would work for hardware, but if a single division is tolerable and for -1 <= x <= 1, a very accurate approximation is: arctan(x) ~= x/f(x^2) where f(u) = 1.0 + 0.33288950512027 * u + -0.08467922817644 * u^2 + 0.03252232640125 * u^3 + -0.00749305860992 * u^4 maybe too many terms, but it's not the finite power series that's bad, but the division by it that's costly in many different contexts. r b-j