On 30 Dez., 18:21, robert bristow-johnson <r...@audioimagination.com>
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> On Dec 30, 3:21�am, Andor <andor.bari...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > robert bristow-johnson wrote:
> > > On Dec 29, 11:38�am, Andor wrote:
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> > > > I have been thinking if we shouldn't construct the FAQ as a wiki, so
> > > > that (registered) editors (regulars) can update the FAQ at their
> > > > leasure. This again had me thinking that many of the points in the FAQ
> > > > (books, software, online resources, etc. ) and more DSP resources have
> > > > already been compiled and are kept up-to-date at another location
> > > > (dsprelated.com). Briefly, I wondered whether we should ask Stephane
> > > > to host the comp.dsp FAQ as a wiki and referencing those out-of-date
> > > > sections on books, software, etc. to his maintained links. This has
> > > > brought up the doubt of whether an open group FAQ should be hosted on
> > > > a private page (as it is now, as well), and whether it is ok for
> > > > Stephane to make money with it.
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> > > bdti is a private, commercial entity. �there is no reason why, if
> > > Stephane wants to host it, why it can't be hosted there or by anyone
> > > else with a web site and interest.
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> > > i would say that the content of the (new) FAQ should not display any
> > > specific commercial preference (pro-TI, etc) nor even preference for a
> > > particular method (DSP vs. CPU vs. FPGA), but can talk about any of
> > > these. �like, if for instance, Al Clark might want to host this FAQ,
> > > it should not have content that can be construed to plug Al's
> > > products, but if he gets (and benefits from) additional traffic at his
> > > site because he has the FAQ there and a link at the top to go to
> > > Danville home, i would think that it would be perfectly appropriate.
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> BTW, Al has the domain "audiodsp.com", which might be an interesting
> place for an audio DSP FAQ.
I think Al has quite a feq interesting domain names. Perhaps he'll
"sponsor" one for the FAQ ... ?
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> > I would certainly not mind if either Al Clark and Ray Andraka hosted
> > the FAQ. Grant Griffin would be another candidate, same as BDTI. This
> > makes five candidates already.
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> > > what's "ok" is whatever free people agree to do with their own
> > > resources (i don't quite believe that, being a liberal more than a
> > > libertarian). �
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> > I consider myself more a librarian :-).
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> > > but there is nothing wrong with any specific person or
> > > party, whether it's some school or commercial entity, to host the
> > > FAQ. �literally no one owns USENET (except for collectively all of the
> > > newsservers that carry particular hierarchies or newsgroups).
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> > > also, i would say that there is no reason material may not be selected
> > > from the current FAQ and included in the new FAQ. �i don't think it's
> > > copyrighted by BDTI or anyone, is it?
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> > I don't think so. What about the DSP tricks hosted at dspguru? They
> > should also make it into the new FAQ (and they certainly are public
> > domain, thus copyable).
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> > > > Also, I thought of r b-j and Wikipedia.
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> > > what? �that i got kicked outa WP?
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> > Yesterday I watched "Sleeping Beatuy" with my daughter. On Aurora's
> > 16th birthday (who knew that the real name of Sleeping Beauty was
> > Aurora?), the three fairies want to bake a cake and sew a dress for
> > her. However, two of the fairies start fighting about what colour the
> > dress should be: blue or pink. Throughout the rest of the movie, the
> > dress changes colour whenever one of the fairies sees that it isn't
> > "her" colour. I can just imagine the FAQ alternating states like that
> > for some of the running arguments we have here ("the FFT assumes
> > periodic data" / "the FFT is an algorithm and doesn't assume
> > anything" / "the FFT assumes periodic data" / "the FFT is an
> > algorithm �... " ).
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> i think that most folks here know that the FFT is a pretty wide
> collection of algs (the Cooley-Tukey radix-2 DIT or DIF thingies are
> the most well known) for efficiently computing the DFT on a set of
> data.
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> now whether or not the DFT most fundamentally transforms one periodic
> discrete sequence to another periodic discrete sequence of the same
> period, well, i am still at a loss as to why that is controversial.
> even a decade later. �it is also true that the DFT samples the DTFT
> around the unit circle at equal spacing.
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> BTW, the trouble i got into at Wikipedia had nothing to do with any of
> the technical articles that i edited on. �it was about social issue
> articles (specifically [[Intelligent design]], [[Homophobia]], and
> [[Marriage]]) and a sorta insidious "political correctness" that
> pervades parts of the project.
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> > > > This has led me down a moral blind alley
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> > > ??? �what are the moral issues? �anybody who has a web site, if they
> > > want to, can host whatever they want (except for pics of naked kids,
> > > governments tend to frown on such).
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> > The moral issue whether it is ok for somebody else to make money with
> > free contributions. I guess it is because hosting and tending a Wiki
> > isn't free, either (and the amount of money that can be made from
> > hosting a FAQ is rather limited, I would guess).
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> i don't feel taken advantage of by Grant. �i doubt he makes much or
> any money at dspguru.com, but for the expense and bother to host the
> FAQ-wiki, i see no problem with it being attached to a web site that
> whomever is also using for their business. �just that attachment can
> be construed as a commercial connection. �maybe the FAQ-wiki can be
> mirrored at multiple places.
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> > > > and thus I postponed a request to the group in this matter for later.
> > > > I guess now is later :-).
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> > > > Comments?
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> > > i think a comp.dsp wiki-FAQ is a very good idea. �i dunno where, but i
> > > think you can get free wiki software to run on a server hosting this.
> > > i think anybody who is willing to host it should be consider eligible
> > > to. �at least, initially. �i think where (to host it) is a legit topic
> > > of conversations among interested persons on this newsgroup. �i doubt
> > > that any eligible host would be terribly upset if the consensus of the
> > > group was to ask some other eligible host to do it (i doubt BDTI would
> > > even object if the "official" FAQ migrated to somewhere else, and
> > > there is no reason to exclude BDTI from the list of eligible hosts).
> > > even if they were (upset), they can host whatever they want with
> > > content from whomever they want. �nothing stopping them.
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> > I'll setup a quick "comp.dsp FAQ playground wiki" later today (on a
> > non-commercial academic webserver). One clear advantage is that as
> > long as the wiki is online, it can be updated by anyone and does not
> > depend on any single person / company having time to tend the FAQ. If
> > the gang here agrees that it is a good idea, we can then discuss who
> > does what where later on.
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> i dunno where Wikipedia got it, but they use LaTeX paste-up for
> equations. �can your free wiki software get LaTeX to work with it,
> too? �i really don't know diddley about where to get this free wiki
> software and how it gets installed.
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> r b-j
Yeah, you can use LaTex see the very last entry in my demo FAQ:
https://labts417.zhaw.ch/faq/
Regards,
Andor