Reply by Jerry Avins November 9, 20092009-11-09
dvsarwate wrote:
> On Nov 9, 3:33 pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> misquoted: > > >> -- >> Drink deep or taste not the Perian spring. >> A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. >> Alexander Pope. > > > Please, Jerry, if you must change your .sig file and use a quote, > (I very much prefer your usual .sig), use the right words. Here is > what Alexander Pope actually said..... > > First used by Alexander Pope (1688 - 1744) in An Essay on Criticism, > 1709: > > "A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not > the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and > drinking largely sobers us again." > > > I suppose the Perian spring is where Perier water (usually mis-spelled > as Perrier water) comes from,,,, > > --Dilip Nitpick
A good nit. I even spelled Pierian wrong. My Greek Mythology has become rusty. "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing." :-) Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. &#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;
Reply by Jerry Avins November 9, 20092009-11-09
JAlbertoDJ wrote:
>> You make up fairy examples. If the signal frequency can change at the >> rate of 6 Hz/sec, the sidebands will cause problems. What technology is >> as poor as you choose to suppose? How accurate is your cheap wristwatch? >> > > For example, i know that doppler spread of ionospheric can be about 3Hz.
How fast? Investigate AFC. http://tinyurl.com/y93pb3w Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. &#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;
Reply by dvsarwate November 9, 20092009-11-09
On Nov 9, 3:33&#4294967295;pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> misquoted:


> -- > Drink deep or taste not the Perian spring. > A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. > &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295; &#4294967295;Alexander Pope.
Please, Jerry, if you must change your .sig file and use a quote, (I very much prefer your usual .sig), use the right words. Here is what Alexander Pope actually said..... First used by Alexander Pope (1688 - 1744) in An Essay on Criticism, 1709: "A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again." I suppose the Perian spring is where Perier water (usually mis-spelled as Perrier water) comes from,,,, --Dilip Nitpick
Reply by JAlbertoDJ November 9, 20092009-11-09
>You make up fairy examples. If the signal frequency can change at the >rate of 6 Hz/sec, the sidebands will cause problems. What technology is >as poor as you choose to suppose? How accurate is your cheap wristwatch? >
For example, i know that doppler spread of ionospheric can be about 3Hz.
Reply by Jerry Avins November 9, 20092009-11-09
JAlbertoDJ wrote:
>> JAlbertoDJ wrote: >>>> The answer is NO. >>>> >>>> High bitrate: 0101010101010101.... >>>> Low bitrate: 0000111100001111.... >>>> >>>> Think about it. >>>> >>>> VLV >>>> >>> But, for example, suposse the case of a BFSK at 1 baud. >>> >>> F0= 1000 Hz >>> F1= 2000 Hz >>> >>> Frecuency carrier error maximum: +-10 Hz. >> You make things up. How can you get that kind of frequency error? cheap >> crystals are good to a part in 10e-7. Nobody with any sense would assign > >> two frequencies in simple harmonic relation. > > In the case of an example, somebody with a sense could assign two > frequencies in simple harmonic relation.
n the case of an example, somebody with a sense could design a bicycle with square wheels, but it wouldn't be a sensible bicycle.
>>> Then, signal received during interval of 1 bit, for example could be: >>> >>> F0= 1006 Hz >>> F1= 1997 Hz >>> >>> At 1 baud signal received is out of the range of the macht filter. >> The longer the symbol lasts, the more time there is to integrate. >> Integration reduces noise. > > Integration reduces noise, but if frecuency is not estable you can be > integrating only noise.
You make up fairy examples. If the signal frequency can change at the rate of 6 Hz/sec, the sidebands will cause problems. What technology is as poor as you choose to suppose? How accurate is your cheap wristwatch? Jerry -- Drink deep or taste not the Perian spring. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Alexander Pope. &#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;
Reply by JAlbertoDJ November 9, 20092009-11-09
> > >JAlbertoDJ wrote: > >>>That only tels that your receiver is not optimal in case of unstable >>>carrier. Modify the receiver accordingly. >>> >>>VLV >>> >>> >> >> >> For example, with Fast FHSS? > >Idiot >
i dont know if you are a lunatic or you dont understand my reply.
Reply by JAlbertoDJ November 9, 20092009-11-09
>JAlbertoDJ wrote: >>> The answer is NO. >>> >>> High bitrate: 0101010101010101.... >>> Low bitrate: 0000111100001111.... >>> >>> Think about it. >>> >>> VLV >>> >> >> But, for example, suposse the case of a BFSK at 1 baud. >> >> F0= 1000 Hz >> F1= 2000 Hz >> >> Frecuency carrier error maximum: +-10 Hz. > >You make things up. How can you get that kind of frequency error? cheap >crystals are good to a part in 10e-7. Nobody with any sense would assign
>two frequencies in simple harmonic relation.
In the case of an example, somebody with a sense could assign two frequencies in simple harmonic relation.
> >> Then, signal received during interval of 1 bit, for example could be: >> >> F0= 1006 Hz >> F1= 1997 Hz >> >> At 1 baud signal received is out of the range of the macht filter. > >The longer the symbol lasts, the more time there is to integrate. >Integration reduces noise.
Integration reduces noise, but if frecuency is not estable you can be integrating only noise.
Reply by Vladimir Vassilevsky November 9, 20092009-11-09

JAlbertoDJ wrote:

>>That only tels that your receiver is not optimal in case of unstable >>carrier. Modify the receiver accordingly. >> >>VLV >> >> > > > For example, with Fast FHSS?
Idiot
Reply by Jerry Avins November 8, 20092009-11-08
JAlbertoDJ wrote:
>> The answer is NO. >> >> High bitrate: 0101010101010101.... >> Low bitrate: 0000111100001111.... >> >> Think about it. >> >> VLV >> > > But, for example, suposse the case of a BFSK at 1 baud. > > F0= 1000 Hz > F1= 2000 Hz > > Frecuency carrier error maximum: +-10 Hz.
You make things up. How can you get that kind of frequency error? cheap crystals are good to a part in 10e-7. Nobody with any sense would assign two frequencies in simple harmonic relation.
> Then, signal received during interval of 1 bit, for example could be: > > F0= 1006 Hz > F1= 1997 Hz > > At 1 baud signal received is out of the range of the macht filter.
The longer the symbol lasts, the more time there is to integrate. Integration reduces noise. Jerry -- Drink deep or taste not the Perian spring. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Alexander Pope. &#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;
Reply by JAlbertoDJ November 8, 20092009-11-08
>That only tels that your receiver is not optimal in case of unstable >carrier. Modify the receiver accordingly. > >VLV > >
For example, with Fast FHSS?