On 13 Jul., 15:11, Ravi Srikantiah <ravi.srikant...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 13, 4:24�am, "gretzteam" <gretzteam@n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I'm looking for a good book on adaptive filtering, in the style of Richard
> > Lyon's 'Understanding digital signal processing'.
>
> > So far, everything I've found involves quite complicated formulas straight
> > from page 1, with very little clear and intuitive description of how this
> > all works. Number one on this list would be 'Fundamental of Adaptive
> > Filtering' by Sayed. I understand this book probably covers everything, but
> > I don't think it's very user friendly for a beginner!
>
> > Anything out there?
>
> > Thanks!
>
> I'd strongly recommend starting with "Adaptive Signal Processing" by
> Widrow and Stearns. The math flows easily and it is extremely well
> written. For Kalman Filters, I've found the treatment in Haykin is
> excellent - it is dealt with from the point of view of an RLS filter.
>
> -Ravi
Hi,
I have to second Ravi's comment. The book from Widrow/Stearns is easy
to digest and follow. Of course, and as others said, it will
definitely not work without math at all, but Widrow/Stearns seemed to
me to be a good starting point, to grasp the concepts and from there
you can move on to some more "deeper" texts.
It is not that Widrow/Stearns is superficial, just as I said: "easy to
digest and follow".
Regards,
JaaC
Reply by Bryan52803●July 13, 20102010-07-13
>>Hi,
>>I'm looking for a good book on adaptive filtering, in the style of
>Richard
>>Lyon's 'Understanding digital signal processing'.
>>
>>So far, everything I've found involves quite complicated formulas
>straight
>>from page 1, with very little clear and intuitive description of how
this
>>all works. Number one on this list would be 'Fundamental of Adaptive
>>Filtering' by Sayed. I understand this book probably covers everything,
>but
>>I don't think it's very user friendly for a beginner!
>>
>>Anything out there?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>
>That depends on how deep you want to go. If you are interested only in
>simulations, then even Proakis's comms is enough.
>
>But for detailed study, go for Haykin and Sayed. As Steve said, those
>online lectures by Sayed are not that useful. He has another book
Adaptive
>Filters.
>
>Statistical DSP and Modeling by Hayes is also good.
>
>Chintan
>
I second that; I have "Statistical Digital Signal Processing and Modeling"
by Monson H. Hayes and it's fantastic. It reviews DSP, probability, and
linear algebra to both refresh the reader and introduce the notation to be
used throughout the book. It was great to learn and still a great
reference.
Reply by Chris Maryan●July 13, 20102010-07-13
My experience with adaptive filters is limited, but I found Haykin's
Adaptive Filter Theory to be very easy to read and pretty throrough.
Though as another person pointed out, an understanding of linear
algebra beyond lin alg 101 is a must.
Chris
Reply by Ravi Srikantiah●July 13, 20102010-07-13
On Jul 13, 4:24�am, "gretzteam" <gretzteam@n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm looking for a good book on adaptive filtering, in the style of Richard
> Lyon's 'Understanding digital signal processing'.
>
> So far, everything I've found involves quite complicated formulas straight
> from page 1, with very little clear and intuitive description of how this
> all works. Number one on this list would be 'Fundamental of Adaptive
> Filtering' by Sayed. I understand this book probably covers everything, but
> I don't think it's very user friendly for a beginner!
>
> Anything out there?
>
> Thanks!
I'd strongly recommend starting with "Adaptive Signal Processing" by
Widrow and Stearns. The math flows easily and it is extremely well
written. For Kalman Filters, I've found the treatment in Haykin is
excellent - it is dealt with from the point of view of an RLS filter.
-Ravi
Reply by cpshah99●July 13, 20102010-07-13
>Hi,
>I'm looking for a good book on adaptive filtering, in the style of
Richard
>Lyon's 'Understanding digital signal processing'.
>
>So far, everything I've found involves quite complicated formulas
straight
>from page 1, with very little clear and intuitive description of how this
>all works. Number one on this list would be 'Fundamental of Adaptive
>Filtering' by Sayed. I understand this book probably covers everything,
but
>I don't think it's very user friendly for a beginner!
>
>Anything out there?
>
>Thanks!
>
That depends on how deep you want to go. If you are interested only in
simulations, then even Proakis's comms is enough.
But for detailed study, go for Haykin and Sayed. As Steve said, those
online lectures by Sayed are not that useful. He has another book Adaptive
Filters.
Statistical DSP and Modeling by Hayes is also good.
Chintan
Reply by mobi●July 13, 20102010-07-13
Hi,
I started working on adaptive filters 8 years back with implementation
of the LMS algorithm for echo cancellation using MATLAB having no
clue about the concepts of adaptive filters. Funny, I thought its
easy! Just a filter in loop with changing coefficients.
I got interested in the subject and was introduced to Adaptive filters
by Simon Haykin. At that point in time I thought it was the worst
written book on the subject. Luckily, I watched lecture series from
Prof Gilbert Strang on linear algebra, and found the root cause of the
problem, i.e., superficial knowledge of underlying maths does not
suffice for DSP in general and adaptive filters in particular. During
same time I also enrolled in stochastic processes course, which also
helped a lot. Tried to improve my understanding since, and now 8 years
down the road I got just enough to at the very least appreciate the
beauty of Simon Haykins masterpiece. As for Syeds book, its good,
except the notations, same for Diniz.
So my suggestion is to start with online lectures on linear algebra,
stochastic processes, and basics of optimization to build ur
understanding towards pre-reqs and with in few months u'll be able to
digest any available book on Adaptive filters.
Best
On Jul 13, 2:24�am, "gretzteam" <gretzteam@n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm looking for a good book on adaptive filtering, in the style of Richard
> Lyon's 'Understanding digital signal processing'.
>
> So far, everything I've found involves quite complicated formulas straight
> from page 1, with very little clear and intuitive description of how this
> all works. Number one on this list would be 'Fundamental of Adaptive
> Filtering' by Sayed. I understand this book probably covers everything, but
> I don't think it's very user friendly for a beginner!
>
> Anything out there?
>
> Thanks!
Reply by Rune Allnor●July 13, 20102010-07-13
On 13 Jul, 01:24, "gretzteam" <gretzteam@n_o_s_p_a_m.yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm looking for a good book on adaptive filtering, in the style of Richard
> Lyon's 'Understanding digital signal processing'.
Don't think you will find one. Rick's book is well liked, but
he covers the first gap that DSP layfolk who want or need to
learn *something* about DSP, need to cover.
That reader segment doesn't exist, what adaptive filters are
concerned: Total layfolk will probably be OK with Rick's book,
while people who need to learn adaptive filters will have to
work through the maths anyway.
> So far, everything I've found involves quite complicated formulas straight
> from page 1, with very little clear and intuitive description of how this
> all works.
Well, digital filters *are* about applied maths. If you don't
like the maths, DSP in general and adaptive filters in particular
might not be for you.
I would suspect that authors of DSP texts rely on readers to
be at least superficially familiar with the basics. Linear
algebra and optimization techniques (e.g. conjugated gradients)
ought to be familiar at least as concepts. The closer to the
nuts'n bolts of things you get, the more familiar with the inner
workings of such techniques you need to be.
Rune
Reply by steveu●July 12, 20102010-07-12
>Hi,
>I'm looking for a good book on adaptive filtering, in the style of
Richard
>Lyon's 'Understanding digital signal processing'.
>
>So far, everything I've found involves quite complicated formulas
straight
>from page 1, with very little clear and intuitive description of how this
>all works. Number one on this list would be 'Fundamental of Adaptive
>Filtering' by Sayed. I understand this book probably covers everything,
but
>I don't think it's very user friendly for a beginner!
Sayed's books seem well liked. He has a series of lectures on line, but he
seems to struggle to get his point across verbally, so I'm not sure how
useful you might find those.
Steve
Reply by gretzteam●July 12, 20102010-07-12
Hi,
I'm looking for a good book on adaptive filtering, in the style of Richard
Lyon's 'Understanding digital signal processing'.
So far, everything I've found involves quite complicated formulas straight
from page 1, with very little clear and intuitive description of how this
all works. Number one on this list would be 'Fundamental of Adaptive
Filtering' by Sayed. I understand this book probably covers everything, but
I don't think it's very user friendly for a beginner!
Anything out there?
Thanks!