> Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<4027dd3a$0$3191$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
>> Randy Yates wrote:
>>
>> > parth175@yahoo.co.in (Parthasarathy) writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Hello People
>> >>
>> >> I need some help in understanding and implementing Digital FM
>> >>-Modulation and Demodulation using digital signal processing
>> >>techniques.
>> >> References to related links is required.
>> >
>> >
>> > Required??? Sorry. If you would like to "request" this information, I
>> > would gladly provide it. However, I don't owe it to you and I'll not
>> > be jammed up for it.
>> >
>> > From www.m-w.com:
>> > require: 1 a : to claim or ask for by right and authority
>>
>> Randy,
>
> Hello Randy
> I did not (intend to) mean to claim by right. Frankly I did not
> distinguish between 'require' and 'need' till now.
> I did use the word help. (hope this does not have an offending
> meaning )
>
> I rephrase my initilal words to "Need few references/material ".
Thank you, Parthasarathy.
You might want to refer to James Shima's masters thesis, which is
available at
http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr/Digradio.pdf
The most interesting thing, in my opinion, in Jim's implementation
is the use of the "ratio" function (equation 4.11) for computing
the phase angle at complex baseband.
Have fun!
--Randy
>
>
>
>
>> Assume that he's constructing his sentences with the help of a phrase
>> book. I cut him some slack and translated it as "I need".
>>
>> Jerry
>
>
> I appreciate your sensitivity.
>
> With regards
> Parthasarathy
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Reply by Wim Ton●February 10, 20042004-02-10
"Parthasarathy" <parth175@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
news:7f126353.0402082336.68d9f4dc@posting.google.com...
> Hello People
>
> I need some help in understanding and implementing Digital FM
> -Modulation and Demodulation using digital signal processing
> techniques.
Analog Devices has an app note on their site about stereo FM with their EZ
DSP kit and a DDS.
Wim
Reply by jim●February 10, 20042004-02-10
Parthasarathy wrote:
>
> Hello Randy
> I did not (intend to) mean to claim by right. Frankly I did not
> distinguish between 'require' and 'need' till now.
> I did use the word help. (hope this does not have an offending
> meaning )
>
Absolutely no need to apologise. Require is a transitive verb. But your sentence
contains no explicit object or indirect object. Randy interpreted your sentence to
mean "References to related links is required by me of you.". But that is one
interpretation. The common British idiomatic interpretation of your sentence would
be, "References to related links is required of me by circumstances." That is, it
is a simple statement of your needs just as you thought it was.
-jim
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Reply by Steve Underwood●February 10, 20042004-02-10
> I'm tired of having the words in my language redefined. The definitions
> are there for all to see, and I insist that one use a modicum of care
> in communicating with me.
Which language would that be? Perhaps you should define that properly.
The original poster appears to be Indian, and what he said is normal
usage of Indian English. India is the world's largest English speaking
country. Lets be democratic about this. If the largest English
speaking community speaks that way, it must be the definitive form,
right? :-)
There are plenty of things American's say with jar with people from
other English speaking countries - phrasing, use of words, and what
happened to all the "u"s in US English :-)
In a world with so many languages, if communication is working to any
reasonable extent we should be happy and show a little flexibility.
Regards,
Steve
Reply by Parthasarathy●February 10, 20042004-02-10
Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<4027dd3a$0$3191$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>...
> Randy Yates wrote:
>
> > parth175@yahoo.co.in (Parthasarathy) writes:
> >
> >
> >>Hello People
> >>
> >> I need some help in understanding and implementing Digital FM
> >>-Modulation and Demodulation using digital signal processing
> >>techniques.
> >> References to related links is required.
> >
> >
> > Required??? Sorry. If you would like to "request" this information, I
> > would gladly provide it. However, I don't owe it to you and I'll not
> > be jammed up for it.
> >
> > From www.m-w.com:
> > require: 1 a : to claim or ask for by right and authority
>
> Randy,
Hello Randy
I did not (intend to) mean to claim by right. Frankly I did not
distinguish between 'require' and 'need' till now.
I did use the word help. (hope this does not have an offending
meaning )
I rephrase my initilal words to "Need few references/material ".
> Assume that he's constructing his sentences with the help of a phrase
> book. I cut him some slack and translated it as "I need".
>
> Jerry
I appreciate your sensitivity.
With regards
Parthasarathy
Reply by Bob Cain●February 10, 20042004-02-10
Randy Yates wrote:
>
> I'm tired of having the words in my language redefined. The definitions
> are there for all to see, and I insist that one use a modicum of care
> in communicating with me.
I dunno, I didn't see anything redefined. He just used the
simplest word for his situation which is that he requires
references. Politeness is not built into vocabulary and is
much more subtle a thing to learn than definitions.
As it has become "required" to use English globally I'm not
the least surprised nor chagrined to see such nuance of use
dispensed with when used technically.
Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."
A. Einstein
Reply by Bhaskar Thiagarajan●February 9, 20042004-02-09
"Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:402800df$0$3196$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
<snipped>
> Yup: I hear you. One mistranslation that always brings me up short it
> the use of "doubt" for "question". They seem to have the same meaning in
> many languages, but certainly not in English. I get tired of explaining
> that doubt means less than complete belief -- bordering on disbelief --
> as opposed to lack of knowledge.
>
> Jerry
Yeah - there is too much 'burn-in' involved in this one. I've noticed some
folks from Europe (other than Indians) also make the same error. I won't be
surprised if the same people actually come up with the correct meaning for
the terms if asked in isolation, but the usage of 'doubt' in the context of
"I have a question" has been burned-in for most of them.
Cheers
Bhaskar
Reply by Randy Yates●February 9, 20042004-02-09
Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> writes:
> Randy Yates wrote:
>
>> Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> writes:
>>
>>>Randy Yates wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>parth175@yahoo.co.in (Parthasarathy) writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hello People
>>>>> I need some help in understanding and implementing Digital
>>>>>FM
>>>>>-Modulation and Demodulation using digital signal processing
>>>>>techniques.
>>>>> References to related links is required.
>>>>
>>>>Required??? Sorry. If you would like to "request" this information, I
>>>>would gladly provide it. However, I don't owe it to you and I'll not
>>>>be jammed up for it.
>>>>From www.m-w.com:
>>>>require: 1 a : to claim or ask for by right and authority
>>>
>>>Randy,
>>>
>>>Assume that he's constructing his sentences with the help of a phrase
>>>book. I cut him some slack and translated it as "I need".
>> Jerry,
>> I too have given grace in communicating with others. If this were an
>> isolated incident, then I probably would've done the same, but I've
>> seen this term used this way several times now, and it seems to be
>> becoming a habit. It's also not a personal attack on Parthasarathy -
>> this could be a
>> kind and considerate person. It rather should be looked at as a
>> learning experience.
>> I'm tired of having the words in my language redefined. The
>> definitions
>> are there for all to see, and I insist that one use a modicum of care
>> in communicating with me.
>
> Yup: I hear you. One mistranslation that always brings me up short it
> the use of "doubt" for "question". They seem to have the same meaning in
> many languages, but certainly not in English. I get tired of explaining
> that doubt means less than complete belief -- bordering on disbelief --
> as opposed to lack of knowledge.
Yes, knowing something but not believing it. I've heard that one a lot
too.
Not that these folks do this intentionally, but I am starting to
believe that the highest levels of manipulation occur through the
redefinition of language, so I might get a little more guarded in
this area.
--
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Reply by ●February 9, 20042004-02-09
"Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:402800df$0$3196$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> Yup: I hear you. One mistranslation that always brings me up short it
> the use of "doubt" for "question". They seem to have the same meaning in
> many languages, but certainly not in English. I get tired of explaining
> that doubt means less than complete belief -- bordering on disbelief --
> as opposed to lack of knowledge.
"Doubt" means "question" in Indglish, the dialect of English spoken
in India, but not in British English or American English. Perhaps
"require" means "need" in Indglish nowadays. It didn't used to
thirtyfive years ago when I was more familiar with Indglish,
but the language may have evolved (degenerated?) since then.
Reply by Jerry Avins●February 9, 20042004-02-09
Randy Yates wrote:
> Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> writes:
>
>
>>Randy Yates wrote:
>>
>>
>>>parth175@yahoo.co.in (Parthasarathy) writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Hello People
>>>> I need some help in understanding and implementing Digital
>>>>FM
>>>>-Modulation and Demodulation using digital signal processing
>>>>techniques.
>>>> References to related links is required.
>>>
>>>Required??? Sorry. If you would like to "request" this information, I
>>>would gladly provide it. However, I don't owe it to you and I'll not
>>>be jammed up for it.
>>>From www.m-w.com:
>>>require: 1 a : to claim or ask for by right and authority
>>
>>Randy,
>>
>>Assume that he's constructing his sentences with the help of a phrase
>>book. I cut him some slack and translated it as "I need".
>
>
> Jerry,
>
> I too have given grace in communicating with others. If this were an
> isolated incident, then I probably would've done the same, but I've
> seen this term used this way several times now, and it seems to be
> becoming a habit.
>
> It's also not a personal attack on Parthasarathy - this could be a
> kind and considerate person. It rather should be looked at as a
> learning experience.
>
> I'm tired of having the words in my language redefined. The definitions
> are there for all to see, and I insist that one use a modicum of care
> in communicating with me.
Yup: I hear you. One mistranslation that always brings me up short it
the use of "doubt" for "question". They seem to have the same meaning in
many languages, but certainly not in English. I get tired of explaining
that doubt means less than complete belief -- bordering on disbelief --
as opposed to lack of knowledge.
Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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