Reply by Keith E. Larson December 11, 20032003-12-11
Hi Bob

CC 4.xx will work with NT kernel based OS's but the only drivers that work
are those for the newer JTAG hardware platforms, the XDS510PP and XDS510USB
platforms. The XDS510 ISA platform is the one that has not been updated
since it is getting more and more difficult to find PC's with ISA busses in
them.

We are also looking into CC 2.x, both for JTAG and the DSK kernel mode
drivers. The only problem is that 2.x has a bunch of holes in it and it
caused a tremendous headache when the C2xxx was ported to it. There is a
debate on wether effort should be put into the old, present or next version
of CC. Personally, my experience with 'next' has always been problematic as
problems never seem to be fixed for the 'present'.

What might not happen is continuing support of the C30,C31,C31 since those
devices are the old non-JTAG MPSD scan chain devices. This even happens to
be one of the reasons the VC33 was created in the first place. Get
everything onto JTAG.

Best regards,
Keith Larson
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At 08:44 AM 12/10/03 -0800, you wrote:
Max,

Regarding OS compatibility, Code Composer (not Studio, you need CC version
4.10.x for the C33) isn't compatible with XP. We use Windows 2000. I've
heard rumors that people have gotten it to work, but when I tried, it
couldn't find a DLL it needed. TI has no plans to improve CC for these older
DSPs.

- Bob Weber

--- "Keith E. Larson" <> wrote:
> To: "bowbellringing" <>,
>
> From: "Keith E. Larson" <>
> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:50:16 -0600
> Subject: [c3x] Re: Help start the VC33 emulator
>
> Hi Max
>
> When you say that the debugger 'sees the board' what exactly do you mean?
> The old DOS debugger will sure enough see the XDS510, but it wont know what
> to do with the JTAG pod, or the VC33 connected to it (internal driver
> information was for MPSD only).
>
> The first thing to do is make sure you have installed 'Service Pack 2' for
> CC. Without it, CC is at best 'weird'. I am supposing that when you said
> the EMU recognized the board that you were able to install/configure the
> correct driver.
>
>> 1) From "Available Board/Simulator Types"
>> select -> C33 Emulator (Texas Instruments)
>>
>> 2) Accept the driver. The information I have is as
>> follows
>> IO Port should be 0x240
>> driver name/location is
>> C:\TIC3X4X\drivers\tixdsvc3x.dvr
>>
>> 3) Click "Add Single"
>>
>> 4) Click "Finish"
>>
>> If this does not get things up and running the next thing I would do is
>> question the multiple CC installations. Even though the C33 CC is somewhat
>> 'compartmentalized' and different from the other CC environments, it may not
>> be immune to the other installs. I know for example that C54xx/C6xxx CC
>> combinations are a total mess. I think the Hotline eventually came up with
>> a scheme that allowed them to swap in and out the PC environment space.
>>
>> OS compatability might also be an issue. I know that the XDS510PP and
>> XDS510USB products are WinNT/XP/2K capable, but Im not sure about the
>> XDS510-ISA. I happen to be using this EMU platform myself, but I have
>> resisted the move to Win-XP for other reasons. If you are using XP you
>> might want to try 'compatability mode' where the OS relenquishes the IO
channel.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Keith Larson
>>
>> ----
>> At 02:44 PM 12/10/03 -0000, you wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Please help me select an upgrade for my existing tools. I am porting our own
>> TMS320C31 based image processing equipment to the new VC33 platform. We
>> purchased chips with the CB-23A3JCW date code and built our own boards. My
>> problem is how to start the new system with an emulator.
>>
>> The new board comes up in the PLL mode, H1/H3 pins at 60 MHz, and tries to
>> use the bootloader but the flash memory is empty.
>>
>> I have an XDS510 ISA bus board and a JTAG 3/5 V pod. For the old design, I
>> used an MPSD pod and a DOS emulator program, TMS320C3x Debugger Version
>> 5.11. With the JTAG pod, the debugger can see my board but it does not
>> recognize the VC33. I also have Code Composer Studio v2.10.0 with build
>> tools for the C54xx and C55xx.
>>
>> Where can I find a newer DOS debugger? How to obtain CCS build tools for
the VC33?
>>
>> Max Burkhart

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Reply by Bob Weber December 10, 20032003-12-10
Max,

Regarding OS compatibility, Code Composer (not Studio,
you need CC version 4.10.x for the C33) isn't
compatible with XP. We use Windows 2000. I've heard
rumors that people have gotten it to work, but when I
tried, it couldn't find a DLL it needed. TI has no
plans to improve CC for these older DSPs.

- Bob Weber

--- "Keith E. Larson" <> wrote:
> To: "bowbellringing" <>,
>
> From: "Keith E. Larson" <>
> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:50:16 -0600
> Subject: [c3x] Re: Help start the VC33 emulator
>
> Hi Max
>
> When you say that the debugger 'sees the board' what
> exactly do you mean?
> The old DOS debugger will sure enough see the
> XDS510, but it wont know what
> to do with the JTAG pod, or the VC33 connected to it
> (internal driver
> information was for MPSD only).
>
> The first thing to do is make sure you have
> installed 'Service Pack 2' for
> CC. Without it, CC is at best 'weird'. I am
> supposing that when you said
> the EMU recognized the board that you were able to
> install/configure the
> correct driver.
>
> 1) From "Available Board/Simulator Types"
> select -> C33 Emulator (Texas Instruments)
>
> 2) Accept the driver. The information I have is as
> follows
> IO Port should be 0x240
> driver name/location is
> C:\TIC3X4X\drivers\tixdsvc3x.dvr
>
> 3) Click "Add Single"
>
> 4) Click "Finish"
>
> If this does not get things up and running the next
> thing I would do is
> question the multiple CC installations. Even though
> the C33 CC is somewhat
> 'compartmentalized' and different from the other CC
> environments, it may not
> be immune to the other installs. I know for example
> that C54xx/C6xxx CC
> combinations are a total mess. I think the Hotline
> eventually came up with
> a scheme that allowed them to swap in and out the PC
> environment space.
>
> OS compatability might also be an issue. I know
> that the XDS510PP and
> XDS510USB products are WinNT/XP/2K capable, but Im
> not sure about the
> XDS510-ISA. I happen to be using this EMU platform
> myself, but I have
> resisted the move to Win-XP for other reasons. If
> you are using XP you
> might want to try 'compatability mode' where the OS
> relenquishes the IO channel.
>
> Best regards,
> Keith Larson
>
> ----
> At 02:44 PM 12/10/03 -0000, you wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Please help me select an upgrade for my existing
> tools. I am porting our own
> TMS320C31 based image processing equipment to the
> new VC33 platform. We
> purchased chips with the CB-23A3JCW date code and
> built our own boards. My
> problem is how to start the new system with an
> emulator.
>
> The new board comes up in the PLL mode, H1/H3 pins
> at 60 MHz, and tries to
> use the bootloader but the flash memory is empty.
>
> I have an XDS510 ISA bus board and a JTAG 3/5 V pod.
> For the old design, I
> used an MPSD pod and a DOS emulator program,
> TMS320C3x Debugger Version
> 5.11. With the JTAG pod, the debugger can see my
> board but it does not
> recognize the VC33. I also have Code Composer Studio
> v2.10.0 with build
> tools for the C54xx and C55xx.
>
> Where can I find a newer DOS debugger?
> How to obtain CCS build tools for the VC33?
>
> Max Burkhart
> +-----------+
> |Keith Larson |
> |Member Group Technical Staff |
> |Texas Instruments Incorporated |
> | |
> | 281-274-3288 |
> | |
> | www.micro.ti.com/~klarson |
> |-----------+
> | TMS320C3x/C4x/VC33 Applications |
> | |
> | TMS320VC33 |
> | The lowest cost and lowest power 500 w/Mflop |
> | floating point DSP on the planet! |
> +-----------+


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