Reply by Eric Jacobsen July 4, 20032003-07-04
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 15:02:08 +0200, "\(-=-ToToF-=-\)"
<papilufr@yahoo.fr> wrote:

>Hi everybody, > >Someone explains to me that to estimate the SNR of the channel (and then the >BER of a modem), i have to use the output bits of the viterbi decoder. These >bits are convolutionnally encoded and the output is compared with the signal >received. > >Someone can tell me about the precision of this method ? >I've tried to search informations with google but i didn't find anything.
That's one way, but it's not the only way. I'll expound a little and you tell me whether this makes sense to you or not: In AWGN (an assumption I'm making unless you say different, although the discussion may change if this is not the case), there is a 1:1 map from the SNR performance to BER for a reasonably engineered demodulator. In other words, at some point you can put the thing on a bench with a calibrated noise test set and measure BER vs SNR and plot the resulting curve. Given some small margin for manufacturing tolerance this curve should be pretty repeatable from unit to unit. Do this with the Viterbi decoder turned off and you have the BER vs SNR curve that can be used for a simple method of SNR estimation. If the modulator and demodulator are well-designed this curve of raw-error-rate vs SNR should be the matched filter bound plus whatever the implementation loss of the mod and demod happen to be. A good mod and demod in AWGN can run as close as a few of tenths of a dB from the theoretical matched filter bound. Cheap units for consumer products will be worse, YMMV. The idea, then, is that at the output of the Viterbi the recovered data stream can be re-encoded with the appropriate convolutional encoder and compared to a delayed version of the original raw input stream that the Viterbi decoder just decoded. In other words, you're using the correction capability of the Viterbi to locate corrected errors. Count the corrected errors over some time interval and this will provide a good estimate of the RAW BER which then allows you to look up the SNR from the curve you generated previously. That's one way to estimate SNR, and it's pretty simple to implement if you're using a Viterbi decoder. It's also pretty accurate if manufacturing tolerances are reasonably well controlled. Another way is to use the recovered constellation and decision slicer and generate an estimate of the error vector and its magnitude. The error vector magnitude is a good estimate of the noise level for that symbol, so accumulating a bunch of these over time allows a pretty easy estimate of the noise power to be made relative to the signal level. It should be pretty easy to see how to get an SNR estimate from there. This does, however require more arithmetical operations to be performed than the re-encode-and-compare method I described earlier. It's good for systems that don't lend themselves well to re-encode-and-compare techniques, though, e.g., the encoder is complex like with an LDPC, Turbo Code, or even a Reed-Solomon. Hope that helps a bit or two. Cheers, Eric Jacobsen Minister of Algorithms, Intel Corp. My opinions may not be Intel's opinions. http://www.ericjacobsen.org
Reply by (-=-ToToF-=-) July 3, 20032003-07-03
Hi everybody,

Someone explains to me that to estimate the SNR of the channel (and then the
BER of a modem), i have to use the output bits of the viterbi decoder. These
bits are convolutionnally encoded and the output is compared with the signal
received.

Someone can tell me about the precision of this method ?
I've tried to search informations with google but i didn't find anything.




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