"Randall Gawtry" <rgawtry@timewave.com> wrote in message
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> In article <wmtNf.13936$Pv1.12979@bignews6.bellsouth.net>,
> "John E. Hadstate" <jh113355@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>What's the slickest way of turning an I/Q data stream,
>>tuned
>>to baseband, into audible Morse Code with user-selectable
>>pitch using strictly digital signal processing?
>>
>>
>>
>
> John,
>
> The CW pitch-shifting feature is in the Timewave DSP-599zx
> audio processor.
Thanks, but I don't have one of those, and I'm not likely to
get one of those.
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In other words, you don't have any information to contribute
to the thread but you couldn't resist the opportunity to
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I'm sure our friends around the world appreciate the high
value that you place on your trade secrets. On behalf of
every scumbag in the world whose communications will go
undetected as a result of your diligence, and on behalf of
every American killed because we missed something to protect
your profits, I thank you for the obvious effort you've made
to get your priorities straight. I hope you and your
shareholders sleep well tonight. Tomorrow might be a very
long day.
>
> Randy Gawtry, K0CBH
> Timewave
Reply by Randall Gawtry●March 4, 20062006-03-04
In article <wmtNf.13936$Pv1.12979@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, "John E. Hadstate" <jh113355@hotmail.com> wrote:
>What's the slickest way of turning an I/Q data stream, tuned
>to baseband, into audible Morse Code with user-selectable
>pitch using strictly digital signal processing?
>
>
>
John,
The CW pitch-shifting feature is in the Timewave DSP-599zx audio processor.
You can chose the input frequency and the output frequency independently from
200 Hz to 1975 Hz.
In the same unit we have a feature called the RTTY remodulator that processes
an incoming noisy FSK signal and keys an FSK oscillator to produce a clean
replica of the FSK signal. The clean signal can be easily detected by any
less robust analog or digital FSK demodulator.
Unfortunately, we never implemented the remodulation feature for CW nor the
pitch shift feature for FSK.
About 10 years ago, Al Clark (now of Danville Signal Processing) designed the
DSP code for these features after I told him what we needed. Al is not a ham
and I am so we had to put our heads together to figure out what to do.
Of course we are not going to reveal how we do it because the unit is still
in our product line, but at least you can see that it is possible and there is
room for improvement by combining the two features. For a little more
information (and a testament to Al's DSP coding prowess), you can download the
DSP-599zx manual from http://www.timewave.com/Acrobat/599zxom.pdf
Is this the slickest way? I don't know, but it works!
Randy Gawtry, K0CBH
Timewave
Reply by John E. Hadstate●March 3, 20062006-03-03
"John E. Hadstate" <jh113355@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:SeSdnaXPwKPe7ZvZRVn-iA@rcn.net...
>> John E. Hadstate wrote:
>>> What's the slickest way of turning an I/Q data stream,
>>> tuned to baseband, into audible Morse Code with
>>> user-selectable pitch using strictly digital signal
>>> processing?
>>
>> Shift it up or down by the selected pitch. That requires
>> a tunable quadrature audio oscillator, two
>> multiplications, and an addition if the picture in my
>> head is correct.
>
> That's what I thought. Basically, my oscillator generates
> I/Q components at the desired audio frequency (amplitude
> 0.5 units). I add a bias of 0.5 to each component and
> multiply the result by the pre-detected incoming signal,
> effectively 100% amplitude modulating the keyed carrier.
> After running it through the AM detector, I thought I
> should have a usable keyed audio tone.
>
Note:
If you generate one sine (scalar) sine wave and multiplex it
into a complex stream (with both real and imaginary
components being the original scalar sine wave), it seems to
produce a detected signal that is much more "listenable."
It also produces a pre-detected spectrum that looks a lot
more like AM.
Reply by Ron N.●March 2, 20062006-03-02
John E. Hadstate wrote:
> "Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message
> news:SeSdnaXPwKPe7ZvZRVn-iA@rcn.net...
> > John E. Hadstate wrote:
> >> What's the slickest way of turning an I/Q data stream,
> >> tuned to baseband, into audible Morse Code with
> >> user-selectable pitch using strictly digital signal
> >> processing?
> >
> > Shift it up or down by the selected pitch. That requires a
> > tunable quadrature audio oscillator, two multiplications,
> > and an addition if the picture in my head is correct.
>
> That's what I thought. Basically, my oscillator generates
> I/Q components at the desired audio frequency (amplitude 0.5
> units). I add a bias of 0.5 to each component and multiply
> the result by the pre-detected incoming signal, effectively
> 100% amplitude modulating the keyed carrier. After running
> it through the AM detector, I thought I should have a usable
> keyed audio tone.
>
> Unfortunately, the SNR is very poor and it's very hard to
> listen to, I guess owing to the fact that I'm also
> modulating all the noise in the incoming signal.
>
> >
> > I just thought of a slicker way. Discard one of I or Q,
> > and use the other's presence or absence to turn an
> > oscillator on and off. Filter the gated output to remove
> > clicks on transitions.
> >
>
> This was my first idea. It has the attractive feature that
> what the operator hears is decoupled from the received
> signal, so no chirp from a poorly regulated transmitter,
> audio level and frequency are constant, attack and decay
> controlled at the receiving end, no impulse noise to blow
> out the operators' eardrums, etc. After looking at the
> noise in a typical signal, I decided that I couldn't
> reliably detect the presence or absence of keying.
How about looking for the presence or absense of, not just keying,
but actual dits and dahs with a minimum of one dit times spacing
at an approximately known WPM? Correlate the IQ energy against
two rectangles of 3X different lengths, look for a triangle shaped
peak (maybe via a second correlation), then key an artificially
synthesized dit or dah. Maintain some running statistics on the
detected length of the actual dit/dah evelopes to update your
WPM estimate, and perhaps even characterize the keyers "fist"
depending on the character sent and previous text in the buffer.
In high noise situations, perhaps modulate the volume of the
synthetic dit or dah by the statistical likelyhood of its presense
in the IQ signal (degree of fit and spacing in time from previous
characters).
One problem with this is that there will be some processing lag,
which will interfere with break-in type interactive responses.
There's also the issue of picking an initial seed WPM. An fft of
the amplitude history might give some clues.
IMHO. YMMV.
--
rhn A.T nicholson d.O.t C-o-M
Reply by John E. Hadstate●March 2, 20062006-03-02
"Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message
news:SeSdnaXPwKPe7ZvZRVn-iA@rcn.net...
> John E. Hadstate wrote:
>> What's the slickest way of turning an I/Q data stream,
>> tuned to baseband, into audible Morse Code with
>> user-selectable pitch using strictly digital signal
>> processing?
>
> Shift it up or down by the selected pitch. That requires a
> tunable quadrature audio oscillator, two multiplications,
> and an addition if the picture in my head is correct.
That's what I thought. Basically, my oscillator generates
I/Q components at the desired audio frequency (amplitude 0.5
units). I add a bias of 0.5 to each component and multiply
the result by the pre-detected incoming signal, effectively
100% amplitude modulating the keyed carrier. After running
it through the AM detector, I thought I should have a usable
keyed audio tone.
Unfortunately, the SNR is very poor and it's very hard to
listen to, I guess owing to the fact that I'm also
modulating all the noise in the incoming signal.
>
> I just thought of a slicker way. Discard one of I or Q,
> and use the other's presence or absence to turn an
> oscillator on and off. Filter the gated output to remove
> clicks on transitions.
>
This was my first idea. It has the attractive feature that
what the operator hears is decoupled from the received
signal, so no chirp from a poorly regulated transmitter,
audio level and frequency are constant, attack and decay
controlled at the receiving end, no impulse noise to blow
out the operators' eardrums, etc. After looking at the
noise in a typical signal, I decided that I couldn't
reliably detect the presence or absence of keying.
Reply by Jerry Avins●March 2, 20062006-03-02
John E. Hadstate wrote:
> What's the slickest way of turning an I/Q data stream, tuned
> to baseband, into audible Morse Code with user-selectable
> pitch using strictly digital signal processing?
Shift it up or down by the selected pitch. That requires a tunable
quadrature audio oscillator, two multiplications, and an addition if the
picture in my head is correct.
I just thought of a slicker way. Discard one of I or Q, and use the
other's presence or absence to turn an oscillator on and off. Filter the
gated output to remove clicks on transitions.
Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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Reply by John E. Hadstate●March 1, 20062006-03-01
What's the slickest way of turning an I/Q data stream, tuned
to baseband, into audible Morse Code with user-selectable
pitch using strictly digital signal processing?