On 30 May 2006 13:44:35 -0700, andresmedina@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>Thank you for the replies.
>
>OK, then my precise question would be:
>
>Can you find a particular X(z) in which :
>x[n] = 1/(2*pi*j) * integral{ X(z) * z^(n-1) dz}
>
>does not converge or does not exist, for every possible contour line?
>
Hmm, the residue theorem comes to mind as a way to attack this
problem. Might be worth a try:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy_residue_theorem
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Reply by ●May 30, 20062006-05-30
Thank you for the replies.
OK, then my precise question would be:
Can you find a particular X(z) in which :
x[n] = 1/(2*pi*j) * integral{ X(z) * z^(n-1) dz}
does not converge or does not exist, for every possible contour line?
Reply by robert bristow-johnson●May 30, 20062006-05-30
Tim Wescott wrote:
> andresmedina@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Here is the formal question:
> >
> > Is this statement true?
> >
> > For every X(z) there exists a corresponding x(n), such that
> > Z{x(n)}=X(z)
> >
> Dunno, but here's some thoughts:
>
> I don't know (and I don't think there is) a way to go directly from X(z)
> to x(n).
i thought that this was:
pi
x[n] = 1/(2*pi) * integral{ X(e^(j*w)) * e^(j*w*n) dw}
-pi
where X(e^(j*w)) is X(z) with z = e^(j*w). this works for stable X(z)
where all the poles are inside the unit circle.
if you make the substitution of z = e^(j*w) and dz = j*e^(j*w) dw =
j*z dw , then you get that circular line integral
x[n] = 1/(2*pi*j) * integral{ X(z) * z^(n-1) dz}
and the path for z can be expanded (or shrunk) from the unit circle to
any simple closed curve that contains all of the poles.
r b-j
Reply by Tim Wescott●May 30, 20062006-05-30
andresmedina@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Here is the formal question:
>
> Is this statement true?
>
> For every X(z) there exists a corresponding x(n), such that
> Z{x(n)}=X(z)
>
> Thank you.
>
Dunno, but here's some thoughts:
I don't know (and I don't think there is) a way to go directly from X(z)
to x(n).
Obviously if X(z) is a rational fraction in z then there's a transform.
If you can find a power series in 1/z such that X(z) = a_0 + a_1/z +
a_2/z^2 + ... then the transform is simply x(n) = a_0, a_1, a_2, ...
Mathematicians will want to argue about regions of convergence, and they
may be right. By this hypothesis X(z) = e^{bz} implies that x(n) = 1,
b, b^2/2, ... b^n/n!.
If the series blows up then you have the z transform of something
unstable, or you need to think in terms of the two-sided z transform and
a non-causal x(n). Presumably you'd then have to split X(z) into a sum
of X_nc(z) and X_c(z), where X_nc(z) could be found strictly in terms of
a power series in z and X_c(z) could be found strictly in terms of a
power series in 1/z.
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Reply by ●May 30, 20062006-05-30
Hi,
Here is the formal question:
Is this statement true?
For every X(z) there exists a corresponding x(n), such that
Z{x(n)}=X(z)
Thank you.