Clay skrev:
> Jerry Avins wrote:
> > >
> > > Use remez? I don't understand why you need a complex
> > > filter tool when you state you want to constrain it to produce
> > > a real filter. I don't get "complex chebyshev approximation."
> >
> > Besides, any FIR filter with end-to-end symmetry has exactly constant
> > group delay. What's the big deal?
> >
> > Jerry
> > --
>
> Hello Jerry and Randy,
>
> I believe the deal is that if the constant group delay is only forced
> only in the bandpass portion of the filter's response, you can design a
> sharper and/or lower order filter than one that has constant group
> delay across the entire band. Another way of viewing this is why have
> linear phase in the stopband where nothing (well almost) gets through
> there anyway? How much gain one achieves by relaxing the linear phase
> across the whole band constraint I don't know. But in some cases it may
> prove to be helpful.
>
> Clay

I don't really see why one would like to go that way at all. If you can

settle for *nearly* linear phase *and* computational complexity
is a big deal (i.e. you are pussing the limits of your system), why
not use a IIR + an all-pass phase compensator? A low-order IIR
(low order compared to the FIR) gets you the sharp transition,
and a relatively low order all-pass (again, low order compared to
the FIR alternative) squeezes the phase bact towards linear.

If you can get there by means of IIRs, why meddle with FIRs?

Rune

Jerry Avins wrote:
> >
> > Use remez? I don't understand why you need a complex
> > filter tool when you state you want to constrain it to produce
> > a real filter. I don't get "complex chebyshev approximation."
>
> Besides, any FIR filter with end-to-end symmetry has exactly constant
> group delay. What's the big deal?
>
> Jerry
> --

Hello Jerry and Randy,

I believe the deal is that if the constant group delay is only forced
only in the bandpass portion of the filter's response, you can design a
sharper and/or lower order filter than one that has constant group
delay across the entire band. Another way of viewing this is why have
linear phase in the stopband where nothing (well almost) gets through
there anyway? How much gain one achieves by relaxing the linear phase
across the whole band constraint I don't know. But in some cases it may
prove to be helpful. 

Clay

Randy Yates wrote:
> Robert Rozman wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm trying to design N=256 lowpass FIR filter with constant group delay
>> constraint in passband (resulting filter has nearly constant group delay in
>> passband).
>>
>> Originally Burnside and Parks described that procedure in IEEE article, but
>> I cannot compile their MEX code for Matlab sucessfully - designs above N=250
>> cause Matlab crashes. I did that without problems on older computers, but
>> cannot reproduce it anymore. There is cremez function in Matlab's Signal
>> processing toolbox that should do the same, but it produces complex solution
>> despite explicit "real" constraint given. I've heard that this is a bug and
>> that cremez can be fixed to produce real results.
>>
>> Anyone aware of any SW that could be used for such design or how to
>> workaround named problems ?
> 
> Use remez? I don't understand why you need a complex
> filter tool when you state you want to constrain it to produce
> a real filter. I don't get "complex chebyshev approximation."

Besides, any FIR filter with end-to-end symmetry has exactly constant 
group delay. What's the big deal?

Jerry
-- 
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Robert Rozman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to design N=256 lowpass FIR filter with constant group delay
> constraint in passband (resulting filter has nearly constant group delay in
> passband).
>
> Originally Burnside and Parks described that procedure in IEEE article, but
> I cannot compile their MEX code for Matlab sucessfully - designs above N=250
> cause Matlab crashes. I did that without problems on older computers, but
> cannot reproduce it anymore. There is cremez function in Matlab's Signal
> processing toolbox that should do the same, but it produces complex solution
> despite explicit "real" constraint given. I've heard that this is a bug and
> that cremez can be fixed to produce real results.
>
> Anyone aware of any SW that could be used for such design or how to
> workaround named problems ?

Use remez? I don't understand why you need a complex
filter tool when you state you want to constrain it to produce
a real filter. I don't get "complex chebyshev approximation."

--Randy

Hi,

I'm trying to design N=256 lowpass FIR filter with constant group delay 
constraint in passband (resulting filter has nearly constant group delay in 
passband).

Originally Burnside and Parks described that procedure in IEEE article, but 
I cannot compile their MEX code for Matlab sucessfully - designs above N=250 
cause Matlab crashes. I did that without problems on older computers, but 
cannot reproduce it anymore. There is cremez function in Matlab's Signal 
processing toolbox that should do the same, but it produces complex solution 
despite explicit "real" constraint given. I've heard that this is a bug and 
that cremez can be fixed to produce real results.

Anyone aware of any SW that could be used for such design or how to 
workaround named problems ?

Thanks in advance,

regards,

Rob.