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Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>In the attic, I have the old project...

Sounds interesting. I'll send correspondence via the e-mail listed on your
website.

Avowal!
Daktaklakpak

Daktaklakpak wrote:

> 
> Vlad,
> 
> After browsing the Comp.DSP archives for a while and seeing the various
> solutions you have offered (mostly hinting at your services), I was
> wondering if you would chime in here, heh heh. :)

Beleive me, I am worth every penny :)

> Sadly, I am what you would call a "starving artist", so I cannot offer you
> any money until I win the lottery or strike oil while mining for diamonds
> in my backyard. I guess I could have mentioned that this project is
> strictly a hobby and related specifically to a musical project. If,
> however, you are feeling charitable and would like to make a contribution
> to all of humanity by supporting the arts, feel free to let me know!

In the attic, I have the old project which is similar to what you are 
looking for. I can do a favor to humanity, however 1) you have to adapt 
everything yourself 2) what is your real name and email?


Vladimir Vassilevsky

DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant

http://www.abvolt.com

Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>...This is a commertial product.

Vlad,

After browsing the Comp.DSP archives for a while and seeing the various
solutions you have offered (mostly hinting at your services), I was
wondering if you would chime in here, heh heh. :)

Sadly, I am what you would call a "starving artist", so I cannot offer you
any money until I win the lottery or strike oil while mining for diamonds
in my backyard. I guess I could have mentioned that this project is
strictly a hobby and related specifically to a musical project. If,
however, you are feeling charitable and would like to make a contribution
to all of humanity by supporting the arts, feel free to let me know!


Avowal!
Daktaklakpak

Daktaklakpak wrote:


> Clarification and Example: The term "carrier" seems to be used in the
> ITU-T's Recommendation v.21 (Blue Book) in order to describe the AFSK
> signal in terms of the Mark and Space frequencies, using "+/- 100 Hz" as a
> reference. I assume this was to allow the presentation of the document to
> proceed logically in accord with the related definition/standard.
> 
> Indeed, I scoured the web for a week looking for various implementations
> before posting here. The most common found were *nix versions, including
> one for an SGI Indy (huh? had to research that one). Even with source
> code, they communicate with drivers for those systems, or sometimes
> directly with specific hardware, making a difficult translation to
> DOS/Win32 architecture, at least for me.


Hello Daktaklakpak,

You can have the V.21 or Bell 103 modem implementation for PC using the 
soundcard (C++ source, Win32). This is a commertial product.

If you are interested, the contact email is on our web site.

Vladimir Vassilevsky

DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant

http://www.abvolt.com

Daktaklakpak wrote:
> Jerry Avins wrote:
>> I'm confused by your numbers. How does the carrier fit in?
> 
> Please refer to the the section concerning spectral analysis (right after
> the frequency listing) in the original post and/or Richard Owlett's
> response, "Wouldn't that be covered by Daktaklakpak's observation..." :)
> 
> Clarification and Example: The term "carrier" seems to be used in the
> ITU-T's Recommendation v.21 (Blue Book) in order to describe the AFSK
> signal in terms of the Mark and Space frequencies, using "+/- 100 Hz" as a
> reference. I assume this was to allow the presentation of the document to
> proceed logically in accord with the related definition/standard.

Thanks for the explanation. Sometimes I'm a little slow.

   ...

Jerry
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Jerry Avins wrote:
>I'm confused by your numbers. How does the carrier fit in?

Please refer to the the section concerning spectral analysis (right after
the frequency listing) in the original post and/or Richard Owlett's
response, "Wouldn't that be covered by Daktaklakpak's observation..." :)

Clarification and Example: The term "carrier" seems to be used in the
ITU-T's Recommendation v.21 (Blue Book) in order to describe the AFSK
signal in terms of the Mark and Space frequencies, using "+/- 100 Hz" as a
reference. I assume this was to allow the presentation of the document to
proceed logically in accord with the related definition/standard.

and as glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:
>It makes a little sense as the center frequency...
>...for a bandpass filter or for a PLL demodulator

---

Richard Owlett wrote:
>You might also wish to search for...

Indeed, I scoured the web for a week looking for various implementations
before posting here. The most common found were *nix versions, including
one for an SGI Indy (huh? had to research that one). Even with source
code, they communicate with drivers for those systems, or sometimes
directly with specific hardware, making a difficult translation to
DOS/Win32 architecture, at least for me.

Thanks for the suggestion, I did come across some new information because
of it. Figured it was worth a shot, so I put in your *exact* search
criteria for grins, and whadayaknow? :)

---

Another request:
If anyone is proficient with MatLab/Simulink, I've been told that a
Simulink model could accomplish this task. I failed to find any
implementation on this platform either. Although, a lot of "close, but no
cigar" models were found, I couldn't find any AFSK models, emphasis on the
A (Audio) *sigh*, but this does look like a very promising solution.
Unfortunately I'm not versed in MatLab coding, but have been offered
access to an installation, so if anyone knows where I can find something
like this (or could make a model :), it might solve my problem.


Avowal!
Daktaklakpak

Jerry Avins wrote:

(snip)

>> Bell 103
>>   Originate
>>     1170 = Carrier
>>     1070 = Space (Carrier - 100Hz)
>>     1270 = Mark (Carrier + 100Hz)

(snip)

> I'm confused by your numbers. How does the carrier fit in? Being 
> extensions of a current-loop standard, these standards all run "mark 
> idle" and the signal has only two states, mark and space. (Extended 
> space is "break", the equivalent of breaking the current loop.)

It makes a little sense as the center frequency, with +/- 100Hz
variation.  It would, for example, be the center frequency for a
bandpass filter or for a PLL demodulator.

Other than that, I agree that it would normally not be mentioned,
but would be useful for someone designing a modem.

-- glen

Daktaklakpak wrote:

> I'm looking for some DOS/Win32 software that will emulate a Bell 103 and
> ITU-T v.21 modem that uses a WAVE format file or a computer's sound card
> for the modulation/demodulation audio signal output/input.
> 
> These modems use AFSK modulation at 300 baud and 300 bps, at the following
> frequencies (in Hertz):
> 
> [SNIP]
> 
> There is a driver similar to this called "soundmodem" (easily found with a
> search engine), but unfortunately it was designed for packet radio
> transmission and only seems to work with some sort of modified terminal
> emulator for this purpose. There might be some way to interface an
> existing DOS/Win32 terminal emulator with its DLL, but I haven't
> discovered one yet.
> 
> Any help in this matter would be appreciated.
> 

You might also wish to search for "winmodem" [term covers multitude of 
'sins' ;] or "software modem" [possibly more useful]

IIRC software modems existed back in days of "8 bit" S-100 computers.
So when doing Google search you might wish to *exclude* "Win", "Windows" 
or "Linux".

Jerry Avins wrote:
> Daktaklakpak wrote:
> 
>   ...
> 
>> These modems use AFSK modulation at 300 baud and 300 bps, at the 
>> following
>> frequencies (in Hertz):
>>
>> Bell 103
>>   Originate
>>     1170 = Carrier
>>     1070 = Space (Carrier - 100Hz)
>>     1270 = Mark (Carrier + 100Hz)
>>   Answer
>>     2125 = Carrier
>>     2025 = Space (Carrier - 100Hz)
>>     2225 = Mark (Carrier + 100Hz)
>>
>> ITU-T v.21
>>   Originate
>>     1080 = Carrier
>>     1180 = Space (Carrier + 100Hz)
>>     980 = Mark (Carrier - 100Hz)
>>   Answer
>>     1750 = Carrier
>>     1850 = Space (Carrier + 100Hz)
>>     1650 = Mark (Carrier - 100Hz)
> 
> 
>   ...
> 
> I'm confused by your numbers. How does the carrier fit in? Being 
> extensions of a current-loop standard, these standards all run "mark 
> idle" and the signal has only two states, mark and space. (Extended 
> space is "break", the equivalent of breaking the current loop.)
> 
> Jerry

Wouldn't that be covered by Daktaklakpak's observation that:
   "While analyzing recorded Bell 103 transmissions spectrally, I
    haven't been able to find the carrier frequency actually being
    used (seems to be using the Mark frequency for carrier detection
    at a terminal), but it's listed here because it is found in some
    specification documents."
?