Need some advice on tools/processor
Started by ●April 25, 2005
I wanted to solicit some advice from, what is most certainly, a AD
experienced audience regarding development tools and future processor
selection. These question may seem naive to the experience; I am
working up the learning curve. That is, I have DSP theory in my
history (with cob-webs); I am clearly not an accomplished HW DSP
developer.
I am reintroducing myself to the 21xx series (2181 and 2185) using
the old (1990's vintage) DOS / Win3.1 tools. The intent is to ramp up
to speed on a software defined radio project called the DSP-10 (HAM
radio project). I can get by writing assembly using
asm21/ld21/sim2181 (using DOSBox) for now but am anticipating my
1yr/5year goals in SDR.
So, what I was hoping I could get advice on is:
1) Is VisualDSP worth it with respect to the 21xx?
2) If I purchased VisualDSP can it be use cross processor
(I.e.Sharc/Blackfin) or is it a new purchase per processor?
3) Does anyone have advice for the next processor keeping in mind
my SDR interests. Blackfin looks interesting especially considering
uCLinux? Clearly, I am going through the learning process. As such
Fixed point seems fine, but is Blackfin suited for SDR?
4) Is everyone paying full price for VisualDSP or is AD open to
reduced prices for Nuts-and-volts type?
Thanks in advance,
Dave
Reply by ●April 26, 20052005-04-26
At 09:15 AM 4/25/2005, dmcmicro wrote:
>I wanted to solicit some advice from, what is most certainly, a AD
>experienced audience regarding development tools and future processor
>selection. These question may seem naive to the experience; I am
>working up the learning curve. That is, I have DSP theory in my
>history (with cob-webs); I am clearly not an accomplished HW DSP
>developer.
>
>I am reintroducing myself to the 21xx series (2181 and 2185) using
>the old (1990's vintage) DOS / Win3.1 tools. The intent is to ramp up
>to speed on a software defined radio project called the DSP-10 (HAM
>radio project). I can get by writing assembly using
>asm21/ld21/sim2181 (using DOSBox) for now but am anticipating my
>1yr/5year goals in SDR.
>
>So, what I was hoping I could get advice on is:
>
>1) Is VisualDSP worth it with respect to the 21xx?
>2) If I purchased VisualDSP can it be use cross processor
> (I.e.Sharc/Blackfin) or is it a new purchase per processor?
It is a separate purchase for each family. You definitely want to
select the family you will be working with before purchasing anything.
>3) Does anyone have advice for the next processor keeping in mind
> my SDR interests. Blackfin looks interesting especially considering
> uCLinux? Clearly, I am going through the learning process. As such
> Fixed point seems fine, but is Blackfin suited for SDR?
I would definitely recommend something in the SHARC, TIGER SHARC, or
Blackfin for SDR. What DSP was used in the DSP-10?
>4) Is everyone paying full price for VisualDSP or is AD open to
> reduced prices for Nuts-and-volts type?
There are a number of vendors who watch this list who might have
"Nuts-and-volts" packages available. Hopefully they will chime in. >Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave
Steve Holle
Link Communications, Inc.
1035 Cerise Rd.
Billings, MT 59101
sholle@shol...
>I wanted to solicit some advice from, what is most certainly, a AD
>experienced audience regarding development tools and future processor
>selection. These question may seem naive to the experience; I am
>working up the learning curve. That is, I have DSP theory in my
>history (with cob-webs); I am clearly not an accomplished HW DSP
>developer.
>
>I am reintroducing myself to the 21xx series (2181 and 2185) using
>the old (1990's vintage) DOS / Win3.1 tools. The intent is to ramp up
>to speed on a software defined radio project called the DSP-10 (HAM
>radio project). I can get by writing assembly using
>asm21/ld21/sim2181 (using DOSBox) for now but am anticipating my
>1yr/5year goals in SDR.
>
>So, what I was hoping I could get advice on is:
>
>1) Is VisualDSP worth it with respect to the 21xx?
>2) If I purchased VisualDSP can it be use cross processor
> (I.e.Sharc/Blackfin) or is it a new purchase per processor?
It is a separate purchase for each family. You definitely want to
select the family you will be working with before purchasing anything.
>3) Does anyone have advice for the next processor keeping in mind
> my SDR interests. Blackfin looks interesting especially considering
> uCLinux? Clearly, I am going through the learning process. As such
> Fixed point seems fine, but is Blackfin suited for SDR?
I would definitely recommend something in the SHARC, TIGER SHARC, or
Blackfin for SDR. What DSP was used in the DSP-10?
>4) Is everyone paying full price for VisualDSP or is AD open to
> reduced prices for Nuts-and-volts type?
There are a number of vendors who watch this list who might have
"Nuts-and-volts" packages available. Hopefully they will chime in. >Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave
Steve Holle
Link Communications, Inc.
1035 Cerise Rd.
Billings, MT 59101
sholle@shol...
Reply by ●April 26, 20052005-04-26
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, Steve Holle wrote:
>
> There are a number of vendors who watch this list who might have
> "Nuts-and-volts" packages available. Hopefully they will chime in.
Check out www.BeastRider.com for SHARC only. It's the only Nuts-and-volts
package out there. However, you usually can get ez-kits with built in
usb debuggers and that should work for you.
Mike Rosing
>
> There are a number of vendors who watch this list who might have
> "Nuts-and-volts" packages available. Hopefully they will chime in.
Check out www.BeastRider.com for SHARC only. It's the only Nuts-and-volts
package out there. However, you usually can get ez-kits with built in
usb debuggers and that should work for you.
Mike Rosing
Reply by ●April 26, 20052005-04-26
At 08:04 AM 4/26/2005, Mike Rosing wrote:
>On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, Steve Holle wrote:
>
> >
> > There are a number of vendors who watch this list who might have
> > "Nuts-and-volts" packages available. Hopefully they will chime in.
>
>Check out www.BeastRider.com for SHARC only. It's the only Nuts-and-volts
>package out there. However, you usually can get ez-kits with built in
>usb debuggers and that should work for you.
What are the limitations to the VDSP package that comes with the ez-kit? >Mike Rosing
Steve Holle
Link Communications, Inc.
1035 Cerise Rd.
Billings, MT 59101
sholle@shol...
>On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, Steve Holle wrote:
>
> >
> > There are a number of vendors who watch this list who might have
> > "Nuts-and-volts" packages available. Hopefully they will chime in.
>
>Check out www.BeastRider.com for SHARC only. It's the only Nuts-and-volts
>package out there. However, you usually can get ez-kits with built in
>usb debuggers and that should work for you.
What are the limitations to the VDSP package that comes with the ez-kit? >Mike Rosing
Steve Holle
Link Communications, Inc.
1035 Cerise Rd.
Billings, MT 59101
sholle@shol...
Reply by ●April 26, 20052005-04-26
> What are the limitations to the VDSP package that comes with the ez-
kit?
Based on Steve's suggestion, I looked back through my archives. I was
able to find and install a "VisualDSP for the EZ-Kit Release 6" and
disovered that it include only the debugger. So, it's not much, but
it's seems as if it's a step up from the DOS-based debugger running on
XP in a DOSBox window. As I recall, that was a download from the AD
site in 1998. Not sure this will help anyone, but what the hey?
Dave
Reply by ●April 26, 20052005-04-26
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005, Steve Holle wrote:
>
> What are the limitations to the VDSP package that comes with the ez-kit?
Code size is limited to fit in the allocated C space. If you add external
ram it won't allow you to access it via the architecture file. You can
not eliminate sections (and I don't know if you can even re-size them).
There are work arounds, but it is not as clean as a full linker will
allow. If you can get your application to fit in their defined spaces, it
is a low cost way to go.
Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike
>
> What are the limitations to the VDSP package that comes with the ez-kit?
Code size is limited to fit in the allocated C space. If you add external
ram it won't allow you to access it via the architecture file. You can
not eliminate sections (and I don't know if you can even re-size them).
There are work arounds, but it is not as clean as a full linker will
allow. If you can get your application to fit in their defined spaces, it
is a low cost way to go.
Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike
Reply by ●April 28, 20052005-04-28
Wouldn't it VisualDSP++ 3.5 work for your needs? It
works for me on both Win98 and WinXP
--- dmcmicro <dmcomer@dmco...> wrote:
> > What are the limitations to the VDSP package that
> comes with the ez-
> kit?
>
> Based on Steve's suggestion, I looked back through
> my archives. I was
> able to find and install a "VisualDSP for the EZ-Kit
> Release 6" and
> disovered that it include only the debugger. So,
> it's not much, but
> it's seems as if it's a step up from the DOS-based
> debugger running on
> XP in a DOSBox window. As I recall, that was a
> download from the AD
> site in 1998. Not sure this will help anyone, but
> what the hey?
>
> Dave
Jaime Andr Aranguren Cardona
jaime.aranguren@jaim...
jaime.aranguren@jaim... __________________________________________________
works for me on both Win98 and WinXP
--- dmcmicro <dmcomer@dmco...> wrote:
> > What are the limitations to the VDSP package that
> comes with the ez-
> kit?
>
> Based on Steve's suggestion, I looked back through
> my archives. I was
> able to find and install a "VisualDSP for the EZ-Kit
> Release 6" and
> disovered that it include only the debugger. So,
> it's not much, but
> it's seems as if it's a step up from the DOS-based
> debugger running on
> XP in a DOSBox window. As I recall, that was a
> download from the AD
> site in 1998. Not sure this will help anyone, but
> what the hey?
>
> Dave
Jaime Andr Aranguren Cardona
jaime.aranguren@jaim...
jaime.aranguren@jaim... __________________________________________________
Reply by ●April 29, 20052005-04-29
Is VisualDSP++ 3.5 available?
At 07:24 PM 4/28/2005, Jaime Andres Aranguren Cardona wrote:
>Wouldn't it VisualDSP++ 3.5 work for your needs? It
>works for me on both Win98 and WinXP
>
>--- dmcmicro <dmcomer@dmco...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > What are the limitations to the VDSP package that
> > comes with the ez-
> > kit?
> >
> > Based on Steve's suggestion, I looked back through
> > my archives. I was
> > able to find and install a "VisualDSP for the EZ-Kit
> > Release 6" and
> > disovered that it include only the debugger. So,
> > it's not much, but
> > it's seems as if it's a step up from the DOS-based
> > debugger running on
> > XP in a DOSBox window. As I recall, that was a
> > download from the AD
> > site in 1998. Not sure this will help anyone, but
> > what the hey?
> >
> > Dave >Jaime Andr Aranguren Cardona
>jaime.aranguren@jaim...
>jaime.aranguren@jaim... >__________________________________________________
> >
>
Steve Holle
Link Communications, Inc.
1035 Cerise Rd.
Billings, MT 59101
sholle@shol...
At 07:24 PM 4/28/2005, Jaime Andres Aranguren Cardona wrote:
>Wouldn't it VisualDSP++ 3.5 work for your needs? It
>works for me on both Win98 and WinXP
>
>--- dmcmicro <dmcomer@dmco...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > What are the limitations to the VDSP package that
> > comes with the ez-
> > kit?
> >
> > Based on Steve's suggestion, I looked back through
> > my archives. I was
> > able to find and install a "VisualDSP for the EZ-Kit
> > Release 6" and
> > disovered that it include only the debugger. So,
> > it's not much, but
> > it's seems as if it's a step up from the DOS-based
> > debugger running on
> > XP in a DOSBox window. As I recall, that was a
> > download from the AD
> > site in 1998. Not sure this will help anyone, but
> > what the hey?
> >
> > Dave >Jaime Andr Aranguren Cardona
>jaime.aranguren@jaim...
>jaime.aranguren@jaim... >__________________________________________________
> >
>
Steve Holle
Link Communications, Inc.
1035 Cerise Rd.
Billings, MT 59101
sholle@shol...
Reply by ●April 29, 20052005-04-29
Sure:
http://www.analog.com/processors/resources/crosscore/toolsUpgrades.html
Go to the end of the page, of if need it for another
family rather than ADSP-21xx, go to the "archives"
links.
Regards,
JaaC
--- Steve Holle <sholle@shol...> wrote:
> Is VisualDSP++ 3.5 available?
Jaime Andr Aranguren Cardona
jaime.aranguren@jaim...
jaime.aranguren@jaim... __________________________________________________
http://www.analog.com/processors/resources/crosscore/toolsUpgrades.html
Go to the end of the page, of if need it for another
family rather than ADSP-21xx, go to the "archives"
links.
Regards,
JaaC
--- Steve Holle <sholle@shol...> wrote:
> Is VisualDSP++ 3.5 available?
Jaime Andr Aranguren Cardona
jaime.aranguren@jaim...
jaime.aranguren@jaim... __________________________________________________
Reply by ●April 29, 20052005-04-29
I forgot about that. I thought you could only get 3.5 for the 2xxx
series?
At 09:04 AM 4/29/2005, Jaime Andres Aranguren Cardona wrote:
>Sure:
>
>http://www.analog.com/processors/resources/crosscore/toolsUpgrades.html
>
>Go to the end of the page, of if need it for another
>family rather than ADSP-21xx, go to the "archives"
>links.
>
>Regards,
>
>JaaC
>
>--- Steve Holle <sholle@shol...> wrote:
> > Is VisualDSP++ 3.5 available? >Jaime Andr Aranguren Cardona
>jaime.aranguren@jaim...
>jaime.aranguren@jaim... >__________________________________________________
>
Steve Holle
Link Communications, Inc.
1035 Cerise Rd.
Billings, MT 59101
sholle@shol...
At 09:04 AM 4/29/2005, Jaime Andres Aranguren Cardona wrote:
>Sure:
>
>http://www.analog.com/processors/resources/crosscore/toolsUpgrades.html
>
>Go to the end of the page, of if need it for another
>family rather than ADSP-21xx, go to the "archives"
>links.
>
>Regards,
>
>JaaC
>
>--- Steve Holle <sholle@shol...> wrote:
> > Is VisualDSP++ 3.5 available? >Jaime Andr Aranguren Cardona
>jaime.aranguren@jaim...
>jaime.aranguren@jaim... >__________________________________________________
>
Steve Holle
Link Communications, Inc.
1035 Cerise Rd.
Billings, MT 59101
sholle@shol...
