Solution's Manual Required

On Sep 27, 5:33&#4294967295;pm, John O'Flaherty <quias...@yeeha.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:11:12 -0500, Jack Klein <jackkl...@spamcop.net>
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> >On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 17:20:35 -0700 (PDT), awais <awais.e...@gmail.com>
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> >> Hello,
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> >> I need solution's manual for Multirate Filters and Systems Banks by PP
> >> Vaidyanathan. Thanks a lot.
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> >I need 700,000,000,000.00 USD before those silly politicians give it
> >to Wall Street. &#4294967295;If you can help me with what I need, I am sure I can
> >help you with what you need.
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> >Otherwise, if you cheat to get through school, some day in the future
> >you might get a job you are not qualified for. &#4294967295;Perhaps you might even
> >go to work for the very large International company that I work for,
> >and someday wind up on a project with me.
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> >Once I discovered your dishonesty and lack of qualifications, I would
> >be obligated to have you fired, ruin your reputation, and perhaps even
> >cause you bodily harm.
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> >Surely you would feel guilty if you forced me to such extremes!!
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> &#4294967295;If using a solutions manual to check one's understanding is cheating,
> why do they exist at all? Surely a professor, with an understanding of
> the subject vastly beyond that of the student, wouldn't need such an
> aid...
> &#4294967295;Since solutions manuals can't be used in tests, but only as an aid in
> doing homework, which usually represents only a small percentage of a
> grade, they aren't going to gain a diploma for an unqualified person.
> &#4294967295;Are they created and used as a way for professors to cheat their way
> through their careers?
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John,

A lot of the questions that are posted here come from unqualified
people who got a diploma.

Dirk

Rick Lyons wrote:
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>   as far as I know, solutions manuals are for professors, not
> for students.  Homework problems, created by a book's 
> author, are exceedingly time-consuming to prepare, and 
> having ready-made homework problems/solutions save a 
> professor an awful lot of time.   

As I remember, it is the job of TAs to grade homework,
discuss the solutions with the students, and otherwise
do all the time consuming work.

> My recollection is that completing homework problems 
> counted for a *substantial* part of students grade, as 
> opposed to a "small percentage".  If a student failed to 
> complete their homework problems, it seems to me that 
> they'd have to "ace" the tests just to receive a "C" grade.

Different for different classes and teachers.  Even a small
percentage would be unfair to those students who didn't have
it.  Hopefully the student with the answers doesn't just copy
the answer, but actually works through the problem with the
answer as a guide.  Still, it would not be fair.

> I will admit, if a guy is trying, at home on their own, to learn 
> a subject (say, digital filters for example) then a solutions 
> manual would be valuable.

-- glen

On Mon, 29 Sep 2008 13:32:20 GMT, R.Lyons@_Bogus_ieee.org (Rick Lyons)
wrote:

>On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:33:26 -0500, John O'Flaherty
><quiasmox@yeeha.com> wrote:
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>>On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 20:11:12 -0500, Jack Klein <jackklein@spamcop.net>
>>wrote:
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>> If using a solutions manual to check one's understanding is cheating,
>>why do they exist at all? Surely a professor, with an understanding of
>>the subject vastly beyond that of the student, wouldn't need such an
>>aid...
>> Since solutions manuals can't be used in tests, but only as an aid in
>>doing homework, which usually represents only a small percentage of a
>>grade, they aren't going to gain a diploma for an unqualified person.
>> Are they created and used as a way for professors to cheat their way
>>through their careers?
>>
>>-- 
>>John
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>Hi,
>  as far as I know, solutions manuals are for professors, not
>for students.  Homework problems, created by a book's 
>author, are exceedingly time-consuming to prepare, and 
>having ready-made homework problems/solutions save a 
>professor an awful lot of time.   
>
>My recollection is that completing homework problems 
>counted for a *substantial* part of students grade, as 
>opposed to a "small percentage".  If a student failed to 
>complete their homework problems, it seems to me that 
>they'd have to "ace" the tests just to receive a "C" grade.
>
>I will admit, if a guy is trying, at home on their own, to learn 
>a subject (say, digital filters for example) then a solutions 
>manual would be valuable.

 My own experience was that homework problems counted for 5-10% of the
grade; collaboration with other students to solve the problems was
encouraged, so the grade component was just extra motivation rather
than a means of evaluating individuals. By just copying and turning in
answers, students would short-change themselves on test preparation
and end up with lower grades. The far greater part of the grade came
from tests and papers.
 
-- 
John

dbell wrote:

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>> Hi,
>>   as far as I know, solutions manuals are for professors, not
>> for students.  Homework problems, created by a book's
>> author, are exceedingly time-consuming to prepare, and
>> having ready-made homework problems/solutions save a
>> professor an awful lot of time.  
>>
>> My recollection is that completing homework problems
>> counted for a *substantial* part of students grade, as
>> opposed to a "small percentage".  If a student failed to
>> complete their homework problems, it seems to me that
>> they'd have to "ace" the tests just to receive a "C" grade.

   ...

At CCNY in the late 50s, solution manuals were included with some of the 
textbooks at the college store. Whether or not was the instructor's 
option. They were rarely available with books that contained solutions 
to odd (say) numbered problems, and almost always included with texts 
that had no or few solutions in the back. Every once in a while, I 
review part of an old text. The solution manual is then very welcome.

Most instructors graded homework in an odd way. Generally, turned-in 
homework was an optional extra that could help a grade if help was needed.

Jerry
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