On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:16:26 -0400, Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> wrote:> > >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> I was a full time student, but doing technician work part-time in MIT >> Building 20. My wife was working for EG&G. We prepaid all delivery >> costs, but the daughter, while full-term, weighed only 4#,12oz (wife >> weighed 98#)... in Massa2shits that's preemie (*), even though >> healthy, so Massa2shits held baby in hospital for 2 weeks... running >> up costs. We had no insurance. Crazy leftist weenie state >> Massa2shits wouldn't accept that payment would be made in June, when I >> went to work for Motorola, so the state paid. Now looking back I am >> thrilled that I stiffed the leftist weenie "commonwealth" of >> Massa2shits (nee communist). > >Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25% >of earned income. > >w..And you wait in line ;-) If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
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Reply by ●June 4, 20092009-06-04
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:16:26 -0400, Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> wrote:> > >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> I was a full time student, but doing technician work part-time in MIT >> Building 20. My wife was working for EG&G. We prepaid all delivery >> costs, but the daughter, while full-term, weighed only 4#,12oz (wife >> weighed 98#)... in Massa2shits that's preemie (*), even though >> healthy, so Massa2shits held baby in hospital for 2 weeks... running >> up costs. We had no insurance. Crazy leftist weenie state >> Massa2shits wouldn't accept that payment would be made in June, when I >> went to work for Motorola, so the state paid. Now looking back I am >> thrilled that I stiffed the leftist weenie "commonwealth" of >> Massa2shits (nee communist). > >Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25% >of earned income. > >w..And you wait in line ;-) If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
Reply by ●June 4, 20092009-06-04
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:16:26 -0400, Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> wrote:> > >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> I was a full time student, but doing technician work part-time in MIT >> Building 20. My wife was working for EG&G. We prepaid all delivery >> costs, but the daughter, while full-term, weighed only 4#,12oz (wife >> weighed 98#)... in Massa2shits that's preemie (*), even though >> healthy, so Massa2shits held baby in hospital for 2 weeks... running >> up costs. We had no insurance. Crazy leftist weenie state >> Massa2shits wouldn't accept that payment would be made in June, when I >> went to work for Motorola, so the state paid. Now looking back I am >> thrilled that I stiffed the leftist weenie "commonwealth" of >> Massa2shits (nee communist). > >Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25% >of earned income. > >w..And you wait in line ;-) If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
Reply by ●June 4, 20092009-06-04
On Thu, 04 Jun 2009 14:16:26 -0400, Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> wrote:> > >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> I was a full time student, but doing technician work part-time in MIT >> Building 20. My wife was working for EG&G. We prepaid all delivery >> costs, but the daughter, while full-term, weighed only 4#,12oz (wife >> weighed 98#)... in Massa2shits that's preemie (*), even though >> healthy, so Massa2shits held baby in hospital for 2 weeks... running >> up costs. We had no insurance. Crazy leftist weenie state >> Massa2shits wouldn't accept that payment would be made in June, when I >> went to work for Motorola, so the state paid. Now looking back I am >> thrilled that I stiffed the leftist weenie "commonwealth" of >> Massa2shits (nee communist). > >Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25% >of earned income. > >w..And you wait in line ;-) If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine Sometimes I even put it in the food
Reply by ●June 4, 20092009-06-04
Jim Thompson wrote:> >Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25% > >of earned income. > > > >w.. > > And you wait in line ;-)I hope the smilely means that you understand that isn't true. Around the time you were having your first child in MA I lived in Saskatchewan the first Canadian Provence that had a form of universal health care. Saskatchewan demographics made it a special case, most people at the time were middle class folks who owned family farms. In most things this population was small c conservative that voted Conservative federally (Republican) and NDP provincially (NY Democrat) Most local hospitals were built as community projects. Doctors were paid incentives directly and indirectly (free housing and some cash) to come to the community in addition to normal medical fees. This was a provence that had a population of about a million. The AMA took out 2 page spreads in essentially every newspaper in the provence for months to warn against what would happen if the provence implemented a single provence wide health plan putting health care in the same category as public schools. When it came to a vote it passed by a small margin. The AMA ads set the debate agenda and irked enough folks by its interfering in local affairs to put it over the top. Forty five years later the system works quite well. If life expectancy is a measure of the effectiveness of health care then the statistics speak for themselves. From a user point of view (I've lived in both US and Canada) it is a health insurance system. Doctors have private practices and there are walk in clinics for day to day care. (Walk in clinics are privately owned for profit companies. In Ontario where I live most medical lab services are companies that are private companies) Services are paid by me presenting a health card and the providers billing for services rendered.> If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was > discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation.I understand that. w..
Reply by ●June 4, 20092009-06-04
Jim Thompson wrote:> >Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25% > >of earned income. > > > >w.. > > And you wait in line ;-)I hope the smilely means that you understand that isn't true. Around the time you were having your first child in MA I lived in Saskatchewan the first Canadian Provence that had a form of universal health care. Saskatchewan demographics made it a special case, most people at the time were middle class folks who owned family farms. In most things this population was small c conservative that voted Conservative federally (Republican) and NDP provincially (NY Democrat) Most local hospitals were built as community projects. Doctors were paid incentives directly and indirectly (free housing and some cash) to come to the community in addition to normal medical fees. This was a provence that had a population of about a million. The AMA took out 2 page spreads in essentially every newspaper in the provence for months to warn against what would happen if the provence implemented a single provence wide health plan putting health care in the same category as public schools. When it came to a vote it passed by a small margin. The AMA ads set the debate agenda and irked enough folks by its interfering in local affairs to put it over the top. Forty five years later the system works quite well. If life expectancy is a measure of the effectiveness of health care then the statistics speak for themselves. From a user point of view (I've lived in both US and Canada) it is a health insurance system. Doctors have private practices and there are walk in clinics for day to day care. (Walk in clinics are privately owned for profit companies. In Ontario where I live most medical lab services are companies that are private companies) Services are paid by me presenting a health card and the providers billing for services rendered.> If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was > discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation.I understand that. w..
Reply by ●June 4, 20092009-06-04
Jim Thompson wrote:> >Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25% > >of earned income. > > > >w.. > > And you wait in line ;-)I hope the smilely means that you understand that isn't true. Around the time you were having your first child in MA I lived in Saskatchewan the first Canadian Provence that had a form of universal health care. Saskatchewan demographics made it a special case, most people at the time were middle class folks who owned family farms. In most things this population was small c conservative that voted Conservative federally (Republican) and NDP provincially (NY Democrat) Most local hospitals were built as community projects. Doctors were paid incentives directly and indirectly (free housing and some cash) to come to the community in addition to normal medical fees. This was a provence that had a population of about a million. The AMA took out 2 page spreads in essentially every newspaper in the provence for months to warn against what would happen if the provence implemented a single provence wide health plan putting health care in the same category as public schools. When it came to a vote it passed by a small margin. The AMA ads set the debate agenda and irked enough folks by its interfering in local affairs to put it over the top. Forty five years later the system works quite well. If life expectancy is a measure of the effectiveness of health care then the statistics speak for themselves. From a user point of view (I've lived in both US and Canada) it is a health insurance system. Doctors have private practices and there are walk in clinics for day to day care. (Walk in clinics are privately owned for profit companies. In Ontario where I live most medical lab services are companies that are private companies) Services are paid by me presenting a health card and the providers billing for services rendered.> If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was > discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation.I understand that. w..
Reply by ●June 4, 20092009-06-04
Jim Thompson wrote:> >Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25% > >of earned income. > > > >w.. > > And you wait in line ;-)I hope the smilely means that you understand that isn't true. Around the time you were having your first child in MA I lived in Saskatchewan the first Canadian Provence that had a form of universal health care. Saskatchewan demographics made it a special case, most people at the time were middle class folks who owned family farms. In most things this population was small c conservative that voted Conservative federally (Republican) and NDP provincially (NY Democrat) Most local hospitals were built as community projects. Doctors were paid incentives directly and indirectly (free housing and some cash) to come to the community in addition to normal medical fees. This was a provence that had a population of about a million. The AMA took out 2 page spreads in essentially every newspaper in the provence for months to warn against what would happen if the provence implemented a single provence wide health plan putting health care in the same category as public schools. When it came to a vote it passed by a small margin. The AMA ads set the debate agenda and irked enough folks by its interfering in local affairs to put it over the top. Forty five years later the system works quite well. If life expectancy is a measure of the effectiveness of health care then the statistics speak for themselves. From a user point of view (I've lived in both US and Canada) it is a health insurance system. Doctors have private practices and there are walk in clinics for day to day care. (Walk in clinics are privately owned for profit companies. In Ontario where I live most medical lab services are companies that are private companies) Services are paid by me presenting a health card and the providers billing for services rendered.> If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was > discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation.I understand that. w..
Reply by ●June 4, 20092009-06-04
Walter Banks wrote:> > Jim Thompson wrote: > >>> Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25% >>> of earned income.Have you any support for that figure? European countries pay roughly 8% of GDP, which would be a much larger % of their earned income.>>> w.. >> And you wait in line ;-) > > I hope the smilely means that you understand that isn't true. Around the time > you were having your first child in MA I lived in Saskatchewan the first > Canadian Provence that had a form of universal health care. > > Saskatchewan demographics made it a special case, most people at the > time were middle class folks who owned family farms. In most things > this population was small c conservative that voted Conservative federally > (Republican) and NDP provincially (NY Democrat) Most local hospitals > were built as community projects. Doctors were paid incentives directly > and indirectly (free housing and some cash) to come to the community in > addition to normal medical fees. This was a provence that had a > population of about a million.Sounds decent so far.> The AMA took out 2 page spreads in essentially every newspaper in > the provence for months to warn against what would happen if the > provence implemented a single provence wide health plan putting health > care in the same category as public schools. When it came to a vote it > passed by a small margin. The AMA ads set the debate agenda and > irked enough folks by its interfering in local affairs to put it over the top. > > Forty five years later the system works quite well. If life expectancy > is a measure of the effectiveness of health care then the statistics speak > for themselves.Life expectancy is horrible measure for the effectiveness of health care. Apart from servicing the very basics, like infection, extreme, super-deluxe, ultra-quality health care measures don't much cure the things that kill people in America. By quality measurements (outcomes for a given condition), America's care is better, albeit pricier ever since the gov. started subsidizing it. (ditto mortgages, retirement, college, food, ethanol, ...)> From a user point of view (I've lived in both US and Canada) it is > a health insurance system. Doctors have private practices and there > are walk in clinics for day to day care. (Walk in clinics are privately > owned for profit companies. In Ontario where I live most medical > lab services are companies that are private companies) Services are > paid by me presenting a health card and the providers billing for > services rendered. > > >> If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was >> discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation. > > I understand that. > > w..Note also that, even then, he got care, and it was free. And it was made much more expensive (for the taxpayer) than needs be, due to the lovely intervention of the State. Cheers, James Arthur
Reply by ●June 4, 20092009-06-04
Walter Banks wrote:> > Jim Thompson wrote: > >>> Boy am I glad to live in a country where health care for everyone is 2.25% >>> of earned income.Have you any support for that figure? European countries pay roughly 8% of GDP, which would be a much larger % of their earned income.>>> w.. >> And you wait in line ;-) > > I hope the smilely means that you understand that isn't true. Around the time > you were having your first child in MA I lived in Saskatchewan the first > Canadian Provence that had a form of universal health care. > > Saskatchewan demographics made it a special case, most people at the > time were middle class folks who owned family farms. In most things > this population was small c conservative that voted Conservative federally > (Republican) and NDP provincially (NY Democrat) Most local hospitals > were built as community projects. Doctors were paid incentives directly > and indirectly (free housing and some cash) to come to the community in > addition to normal medical fees. This was a provence that had a > population of about a million.Sounds decent so far.> The AMA took out 2 page spreads in essentially every newspaper in > the provence for months to warn against what would happen if the > provence implemented a single provence wide health plan putting health > care in the same category as public schools. When it came to a vote it > passed by a small margin. The AMA ads set the debate agenda and > irked enough folks by its interfering in local affairs to put it over the top. > > Forty five years later the system works quite well. If life expectancy > is a measure of the effectiveness of health care then the statistics speak > for themselves.Life expectancy is horrible measure for the effectiveness of health care. Apart from servicing the very basics, like infection, extreme, super-deluxe, ultra-quality health care measures don't much cure the things that kill people in America. By quality measurements (outcomes for a given condition), America's care is better, albeit pricier ever since the gov. started subsidizing it. (ditto mortgages, retirement, college, food, ethanol, ...)> From a user point of view (I've lived in both US and Canada) it is > a health insurance system. Doctors have private practices and there > are walk in clinics for day to day care. (Walk in clinics are privately > owned for profit companies. In Ontario where I live most medical > lab services are companies that are private companies) Services are > paid by me presenting a health card and the providers billing for > services rendered. > > >> If you were paying attention and reading the thread carefully, I was >> discussing a nearly 50-year ago situation. > > I understand that. > > w..Note also that, even then, he got care, and it was free. And it was made much more expensive (for the taxpayer) than needs be, due to the lovely intervention of the State. Cheers, James Arthur
