Dear Everyone, as you know the price of the Oil is more and more increasing, while the oil supply is decreasing. Moreover Oil is causing wars, terror, oil spills, a lot of greenhouse gases. Do you know that there is plenty of natural gas ? The supply will last for many decades, probably for hundred years. A lot of methane (natural gas) is found as shale gas, a lot more will come from methane hidrates. Natural gas is causing much less greenhouse gases and since it is found locally, it will not cause any wars or terror. It will create jobs in your own country and not in the middle east. Do you know that by converting your car to natural gas, you can save a lot of money ? It costs a lot lot less. You may say that there are not enough gas stations, but you can fuel at home* over night. You also should convert your car to dual fuel, that means if your natural gas tank is empty you can switch to petrol, until you find a gas station. And the more people switch to natural gas, the more natural gas stations will be built, otherwise they can not earn money. Do you know that in Argentina there are almost 2 million CNG (compressed natural gas vehicles), also in Pakistan and Brazil there are more than 1,5 million CNG vehicles, whereas in the US there are not even 200000 of them, although most of the shale gas is found in the USA. Sources: http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-05-08-natural-gas-usat_N.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_vehicle * http://www.tulsagastech.com/phill.html
Fueling your car with natural gas from home
Started by ●June 28, 2010
Reply by ●June 29, 20102010-06-29
i just connect the carb to my butthole with a tube. all the natural gas i need to run my car. who says we have an energy crisis? r b-j On Jun 28, 5:45�pm, ".." <sustainable.future...@gmail.com> wrote:> Dear Everyone, > as you know the price of the Oil is more and more increasing, while > the oil supply is decreasing. Moreover Oil is > causing wars, terror, oil spills, a lot of greenhouse gases. Do you > know that there is plenty of natural gas ? The > supply will last for many decades, probably for hundred years. A lot > of methane (natural gas) is found as shale gas, > a lot more will come from methane hidrates. Natural gas is causing > much less greenhouse gases and since it is found > locally, it will not cause any wars or terror. It will create jobs in > your own country and not in the middle east. > Do you know that by converting your car to natural gas, you can save a > lot of money ? It costs a lot lot less. You > may say that there are not enough gas stations, but you can fuel at > home* over night. You also should convert your > car to dual fuel, that means if your natural gas tank is empty you can > switch to petrol, until you find a gas station. > And the more people switch to natural gas, the more natural gas > stations will be built, otherwise they can not earn > money. Do you know that in Argentina there are almost 2 million CNG > (compressed natural gas vehicles), also in Pakistan > and Brazil there are more than 1,5 million CNG vehicles, whereas in > the US there are not even 200000 of them, although > most of the shale gas is found in the USA. > > Sources:http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-05-08-natural-gas-usat_N.htmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_gas_vehicle > * � �http://www.tulsagastech.com/phill.html
Reply by ●June 29, 20102010-06-29
On 29 Jun, 05:42, robert bristow-johnson <r...@audioimagination.com> wrote:> i just connect the carb to my butthole with a tube. �all the natural > gas i need to run my car.Disregarding the implementational aspects of that particular approach: What numbers apply? How large quantities of these gases are emitted per hour or day? How far would a car be able to run on the quantity of gas emitted by one person in one day? I never cease to be astonished by the advocates' of such approaces neglection of these kinds of numbers... Rune
Reply by ●June 29, 20102010-06-29
On 6/29/2010 7:43 AM, Rune Allnor wrote:> On 29 Jun, 05:42, robert bristow-johnson<r...@audioimagination.com> > wrote: >> i just connect the carb to my butthole with a tube. all the natural >> gas i need to run my car. > > Disregarding the implementational aspects of that particular > approach: What numbers apply? How large quantities of these > gases are emitted per hour or day? How far would a car be able > to run on the quantity of gas emitted by one person in one day? > > I never cease to be astonished by the advocates' of such approaces > neglection of these kinds of numbers...Actually, Robert has a pet cow. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
Reply by ●June 29, 20102010-06-29
On 29 Jun, 13:49, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:> On 6/29/2010 7:43 AM, Rune Allnor wrote: > > > On 29 Jun, 05:42, robert bristow-johnson<r...@audioimagination.com> > > wrote: > >> i just connect the carb to my butthole with a tube. �all the natural > >> gas i need to run my car. > > > Disregarding the implementational aspects of that particular > > approach: What numbers apply? How large quantities of these > > gases are emitted per hour or day? How far would a car be able > > to run on the quantity of gas emitted by one person in one day? > > > I never cease to be astonished by the advocates' of such approaces > > neglection of these kinds of numbers... > > Actually, Robert has a pet cow.I always knew he had the odd pet peeves, but pet *cows*...? As a practical matter, wouldn't the larger car needed to bring the cow cancel the benefit of the cow's higher gas output? Rune
Reply by ●June 29, 20102010-06-29
On Tue, 29 Jun 2010 07:49:15 -0400, Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote:>On 6/29/2010 7:43 AM, Rune Allnor wrote: >> On 29 Jun, 05:42, robert bristow-johnson<r...@audioimagination.com> >> wrote: >>> i just connect the carb to my butthole with a tube. all the natural >>> gas i need to run my car. >> >> Disregarding the implementational aspects of that particular >> approach: What numbers apply? How large quantities of these >> gases are emitted per hour or day? How far would a car be able >> to run on the quantity of gas emitted by one person in one day? >> >> I never cease to be astonished by the advocates' of such approaces >> neglection of these kinds of numbers... > >Actually, Robert has a pet cow.As long as he has a petcock ... and a working BOP. -- John
Reply by ●June 29, 20102010-06-29
On Jun 29, 7:43�am, Rune Allnor <all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:> On 29 Jun, 05:42, robert bristow-johnson <r...@audioimagination.com> > wrote: > > > i just connect the carb to my butthole with a tube. �all the natural > > gas i need to run my car. > > Disregarding the implementational aspects of that particular > approach: What numbers apply? How large quantities of these > gases are emitted per hour or day? How far would a car be able > to run on the quantity of gas emitted by one person in one day? > > I never cease to be astonished by the advocates' of such approaces > neglection of these kinds of numbers... > > RuneThis brings to question that if a Holstein is the best producer of milk, which breed is the best producer of gas? Especially when you want to figure gas produced per hectare grazed. Clay
Reply by ●June 29, 20102010-06-29
On 28 Jun, 23:45, ".." <sustainable.future...@gmail.com> wrote:> A lot > of methane (natural gas) is found as shale gas, > a lot more will come from methane hidrates.Hmmm... I don't know what the OP intends to suggest, but there are several problems with at least shallow gas, and possibly also hydrates. Shallow gas deposits tend to exist in rather fragile states of equilibrium. The gas excerts a pressure on the surrounding unconsolidated sediments, that keep the sediments in place; the sediments in turn containing the gas by excerting pressure. Disturb that equilibrium in any way - either by poking the sediments with e.g. a drill, or by draining gas - and all hell is likely to break loose. Huge areas of sea floor in regions known for the shallow gas, contain pock marks / craters caused by gas being released from below the sea floor. Gas hydrates might be more stable than free gas, but much the same objections apply: They are stable as long as they are not disturbed. If disturbed, it's anyone's guess what might happen. Rune
Reply by ●June 29, 20102010-06-29
On 6/29/2010 10:49 AM, Rune Allnor wrote:> On 28 Jun, 23:45, ".."<sustainable.future...@gmail.com> wrote: >> A lot >> of methane (natural gas) is found as shale gas, >> a lot more will come from methane hidrates. > > Hmmm... > > I don't know what the OP intends to suggest, but there are > several problems with at least shallow gas, and possibly > also hydrates. Shallow gas deposits tend to exist in rather > fragile states of equilibrium. The gas excerts a pressure > on the surrounding unconsolidated sediments, that keep the > sediments in place; the sediments in turn containing the > gas by excerting pressure. > > Disturb that equilibrium in any way - either by poking the > sediments with e.g. a drill, or by draining gas - and all > hell is likely to break loose. Huge areas of sea floor > in regions known for the shallow gas, contain pock marks / > craters caused by gas being released from below the sea floor. > > Gas hydrates might be more stable than free gas, but much > the same objections apply: They are stable as long as they > are not disturbed. If disturbed, it's anyone's guess what > might happen.All hell *has* broken loose. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100211211442.htm has been going on for years and will likely continue for many more. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
Reply by ●June 29, 20102010-06-29
On Jun 29, 10:49�am, Rune Allnor <all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:> On 28 Jun, 23:45, ".." <sustainable.future...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > �A lot > > of methane (natural gas) is found as shale gas, > > a lot more will come from methane hidrates. > > Hmmm... > > I don't know what the OP intends to suggest, but there are > several problems with at least shallow gas,good think the USA gas is mile+ deep... anyway, in NE USA area, people can light their faucets supplied from well water, shallow gas has been escaping for eons
