On Jul 15, 2:54�pm, "Nasser M. Abbasi" <n...@12000.org> wrote:> On 7/15/2010 11:43 AM, fatalist wrote: > > > > > The ONLY situation where getting PhD is warranted is when you are > > �> > > Another situation is if one have money already and just want to do a PhD > just for fun of it? > > Some people waste years of their life doing worst things than study for > a PhD? > > --NasserHaven't met a single person like this who would spend his money and time getting himself a PHD without any career considerations, just for fun Maybe a PhD in humanities ? But hard sciences and engineering ? You gotta be kidding... Buying or faking PhD degree is quite common though...
can anyone help me define a PhD level problem?
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On 7/15/2010 12:04 PM, fatalist wrote:>> >> Another situation is if one have money already and just want to do a PhD >> just for fun of it? >> >> Some people waste years of their life doing worst things than study for >> a PhD? >> >> --Nasser >> Haven't met a single person like this who would spend his money and > time getting himself a PHD without any career considerations, just for > fun >May be there are some people out there who enjoy learning science just for the sake of it, and they do not care about making too much money? and being a big manager with a big office? If you have not met one, does not mean they do not exist?> Maybe a PhD in humanities ? But hard sciences and engineering ? You > gotta be kidding... >Well, some people enjoy doing calculations all day. Different strokes for different folks? May be it is genetics what one likes.> Buying or faking PhD degree is quite common though...Only if the purpose was the piece of paper itself. --Nasser
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On Jul 14, 10:54�pm, "bharat pathak" <bharat@n_o_s_p_a_m.arithos.com> wrote:> Hello, > > � � I have background in DSP both theory as well > � � as practical. But I do not have much experience > � � in the area of wireless or digital communications. > > � � Could someone help me define a problem that > � � could be taken up as work towards successful > � � completion of PhD? > > � � I am looking for problems related to wireless/ofdm. > > Thanks, > BharatJust read what Larry Rabiner said about the state of DSP field years ago http://www.ieeeghn.org/wikitest/index.php/Oral-History:Lawrence_Rabiner Don't kid youself, dude Chances are nobody will ever read or use your PhD thesis
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"Dirk Bell" <bellda2005@cox.net> wrote in message news:dc060ec2-6480-4ff2-af0e-f28655d4527a@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...> I actually regret not getting [a PhD]I don't. I decided I could probably learn more in my first job than I could by doing a PhD. I think that was the correct decision. I think I lucked out with a great first job though. Pete
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Pete Fraser wrote:> "Dirk Bell" <bellda2005@cox.net> wrote in message > news:dc060ec2-6480-4ff2-af0e-f28655d4527a@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > >>I actually regret not getting [a PhD] > > > I don't. > I decided I could probably learn more in my first job > than I could by doing a PhD. I think that was the > correct decision. I think I lucked out with a great > first job though.I am surprised nobody yet mentioned that PhD is the necessary element of the job in academia. Academic lifestyle has its merits. VLV
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On Jul 16, 2:33�am, Vladimir Vassilevsky <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote:> bharat pathak wrote: > > Hello, > > > � � I have background in DSP both theory as well > > � � as practical. But I do not have much experience > > � � in the area of wireless or digital communications. > > > � � Could someone help me define a problem that > > � � could be taken up as work towards successful > > � � completion of PhD? > > > � � I am looking for problems related to wireless/ofdm. > > Sure. Get PhD online. It will be mailed it to you. > > PhD is not an award in appreciation of your brilliance, but something > that they give to you in exchange for the specific piece of work that > you did for them. It is a sort of employee-employer relationship. Start > with finding the university people who would sponsor and back up your work. > > VLVThere speaks a man sans Ph.D methinks...
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On Jul 16, 5:29�am, fatalist <simfid...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Jul 15, 12:21�pm, Dirk Bell <bellda2...@cox.net> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 15, 9:53�am, fatalist <simfid...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 14, 10:54�pm, "bharat pathak" <bharat@n_o_s_p_a_m.arithos.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > � � I have background in DSP both theory as well > > > > � � as practical. But I do not have much experience > > > > � � in the area of wireless or digital communications. > > > > > � � Could someone help me define a problem that > > > > � � could be taken up as work towards successful > > > > � � completion of PhD? > > > > > � � I am looking for problems related to wireless/ofdm. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bharat > > > > PhD ??? > > > > Why ??? > > > > Here is a good one to read before you start wasting your time and > > > (hopefully other people's) money getting your "Piled Higher & Deeper" > > > degree > > > >http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1329 > > > 4 years ago I checked the IEEE salary website, and all other things > > being equal about my qualifications, having a PhD (which I don't) vs a > > Masters (which I do) was worth an extra $10K (US) per year in salary. > > A PhD also opens a lot of doors to opportunities that it may not > > qualify you for (you may have already been qualified, or just as > > qualified without it). �It is often a quick way into a supervisory/ > > executive role if you want that. Also, you get a certain amount of > > credibility whether it is deserved or not. > > > I actually regret not getting one when I was much younger. > > > Dirk- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > "I actually regret not getting one when I was much younger. " > > Well, don't regret > > But, of course, in those good old days of 10K sign-on bonuses to fresh > engineering grads (not just CS/EE PhDs) you might have been able to > secure a nice spot > > Not anymore > > Nowadays PhD degree itself is worse than useless - it's actually more > of a liability than benefit on your resume. > The phd comics are right. > > Engineering is better than science PhD-treatment-wise but not by muchThis is crazy. For a research career you need a Ph.D. For a career as a design engineer you will end up being more useful to society (probably) and you don't need one. If you are teaching to Masters level then obviously you need a one step higher qualification. It's an educators/pure research based qualification. You cannot compare a Ph.D to what industry needs unless you consider maybe IBM research or At & T etc. Apples and Oranages... Hardy
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On Jul 16, 7:59�am, "Pete Fraser" <pfra...@covad.net> wrote:> "Dirk Bell" <bellda2...@cox.net> wrote in message > > news:dc060ec2-6480-4ff2-af0e-f28655d4527a@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > > > I actually regret not getting [a PhD] > > I don't. > I decided I could probably learn more in my first job > than I could by doing a PhD. I think that was the > correct decision. I think I lucked out with a great > first job though. > > PeteJust remember that the majority of the work you guys do in industry is based not on the work of real engineers but by the theory produced by pure scientists and engineers who have Ph.Ds - from Kalman to Widorw,Wiener,Nquist,Bode, Shannon - I could go on and on. Now don't say that was the "good old days" and Ph.D's ain't what they used to be because that is nonsense. People who do Ph.Ds are normally among the top in their class and could work in industry if they needed to (in the early years) so they aren't practically useless either. I appreciate what real engineers do however and am grateful for the explanation of years of experience in industry which is equally of great use to us all. Hardy
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HardySpicer wrote:> On Jul 16, 2:33 am, Vladimir Vassilevsky <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote: > >>bharat pathak wrote: >> >>>Hello, >> >>> I have background in DSP both theory as well >>> as practical. But I do not have much experience >>> in the area of wireless or digital communications. >> >>> Could someone help me define a problem that >>> could be taken up as work towards successful >>> completion of PhD? >> >>> I am looking for problems related to wireless/ofdm. >> >>Sure. Get PhD online. It will be mailed it to you. >> >>PhD is not an award in appreciation of your brilliance, but something >>that they give to you in exchange for the specific piece of work that >>you did for them. It is a sort of employee-employer relationship. Start >>with finding the university people who would sponsor and back up your work. >> > > There speaks a man sans Ph.D methinks...What was the name of Disney Duck character, who used to collect signs of achievement and membership badges? VLV
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"HardySpicer" <gyansorova@gmail.com> wrote in message news:7d9db89a-7d4d-4f3c-94ae-9d050384bee8@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com...> On Jul 16, 7:59 am, "Pete Fraser" <pfra...@covad.net> wrote:>> I don't [regret not getting a PhD]. >> I decided I could probably learn more in my first job >> than I could by doing a PhD. I think that was the >> correct decision. I think I lucked out with a great >> first job though.> Just remember that the majority of the work you guys do in industry is > based not on the work of real engineers but by the theory produced by > pure scientists and engineers who have Ph.DsI honestly believe that I did more and more interesting work in my first five years with a real job, than I would have done in a PhD program.> People who do Ph.Ds are normally among the top in their class and > could work in industry if they needed to (in the early years) so they > aren't practically useless either.There were a few folks with PhDs at my first job, but most just had a BSc. They were the brightest bunch of folks I've ever worked with, and did a load of original research. They used to say (only half joking) that if an applicant had a First in maths or physics, knew how to solder, and had rebuilt a car engine, they'd get the job. Pete
