> Janaka Prasad wrote: > >> We have NO intention of NOT paying you. We will >> definitely pay you.Not very long ago I developed a small project for a group in Sri Lanka: Janaka Prasad <wijesena@gmail.com> Asanka Abeykoon <asanka.itfac@gmail.com> Newton Fernando (Dr) <fernando.onn@gmail.com> Shan <shanmugarajahs@gmail.com> Fortunately I required the 1/2 of the payment upfront, because I have never got the second half of the payment. If you will be contacted by any of these names, keep it in mind. Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant http://www.abvolt.com
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On Aug 26, 10:55�am, Vladimir Vassilevsky <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote:> > Janaka Prasad wrote: > > >> We have NO intention of NOT paying you. We will > >> definitely pay you. > > Not very long ago I developed a small project for a group in Sri Lanka: > > Janaka Prasad <wijes...@gmail.com> > Asanka Abeykoon <asanka.it...@gmail.com> > Newton Fernando (Dr) <fernando....@gmail.com> > Shan <shanmugaraj...@gmail.com> > > Fortunately I required the 1/2 of the payment upfront, because I have > never got the second half of the payment. If you will be contacted by > any of these names, keep it in mind. > > Vladimir Vassilevsky > DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultanthttp://www.abvolt.comThanks for the warning! Sorry you got burned.
Reply by ●August 26, 20102010-08-26
On 08/26/2010 07:55 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:> >> Janaka Prasad wrote: >> >>> We have NO intention of NOT paying you. We will >>> definitely pay you. > > > Not very long ago I developed a small project for a group in Sri Lanka: > > Janaka Prasad <wijesena@gmail.com> > Asanka Abeykoon <asanka.itfac@gmail.com> > Newton Fernando (Dr) <fernando.onn@gmail.com> > Shan <shanmugarajahs@gmail.com> > > Fortunately I required the 1/2 of the payment upfront, because I have > never got the second half of the payment. If you will be contacted by > any of these names, keep it in mind.It's a pisser, isn't it? I got burned badly a couple of years ago, as a consequence of trusting a former coworker more than my usual customer. Stupid me. Bill in smaller increments, and be ready to send that email that apologizes for the inconvenience but explains that you'll be working on other customer projects until payment shows up. Or just demand prepayment for any out-of-country work. One fellow I know makes sure that the contract stipulates that he owns the IP for the project until the final bill is paid. Then if the customer doesn't pay he not has the opportunity to sue for payment (with in-country customers), but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his IP if the first suit doesn't work. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
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On Aug 26, 12:29�pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:> On 08/26/2010 07:55 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: > > > > > > > > >> Janaka Prasad wrote: > > >>> We have NO intention of NOT paying you. We will > >>> definitely pay you. > > > Not very long ago I developed a small project for a group in Sri Lanka: > > > Janaka Prasad <wijes...@gmail.com> > > Asanka Abeykoon <asanka.it...@gmail.com> > > Newton Fernando (Dr) <fernando....@gmail.com> > > Shan <shanmugaraj...@gmail.com> > > > Fortunately I required the 1/2 of the payment upfront, because I have > > never got the second half of the payment. If you will be contacted by > > any of these names, keep it in mind. > > It's a pisser, isn't it? �I got burned badly a couple of years ago, as a > consequence of trusting a former coworker more than my usual customer. > Stupid me. > > Bill in smaller increments, and be ready to send that email that > apologizes for the inconvenience but explains that you'll be working on > other customer projects until payment shows up. > > Or just demand prepayment for any out-of-country work. > > One fellow I know makes sure that the contract stipulates that he owns > the IP for the project until the final bill is paid. �Then if the > customer doesn't pay he not has the opportunity to sue for payment (with > in-country customers), but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his > IP if the first suit doesn't work. > > -- > > Tim Wescott > Wescott Design Serviceshttp://www.wescottdesign.com > > Do you need to implement control loops in software? > "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. > See details athttp://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -"...but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his IP if the first suit doesn't work" Huh ??? What "IP" are you talking about? Patents, copyrigths or trademarks ? Would be very interesting to know how he manages to do it BTW, now we all know about VLV's very respectful customers Can't go any lower than that And I used to think that cheap outsourcing works the opposite way Stupid me...
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On 08/26/2010 11:00 AM, fatalist wrote:> On Aug 26, 12:29 pm, Tim Wescott<t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote: >> On 08/26/2010 07:55 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> Janaka Prasad wrote: >> >>>>> We have NO intention of NOT paying you. We will >>>>> definitely pay you. >> >>> Not very long ago I developed a small project for a group in Sri Lanka: >> >>> Janaka Prasad<wijes...@gmail.com> >>> Asanka Abeykoon<asanka.it...@gmail.com> >>> Newton Fernando (Dr)<fernando....@gmail.com> >>> Shan<shanmugaraj...@gmail.com> >> >>> Fortunately I required the 1/2 of the payment upfront, because I have >>> never got the second half of the payment. If you will be contacted by >>> any of these names, keep it in mind. >> >> It's a pisser, isn't it? I got burned badly a couple of years ago, as a >> consequence of trusting a former coworker more than my usual customer. >> Stupid me. >> >> Bill in smaller increments, and be ready to send that email that >> apologizes for the inconvenience but explains that you'll be working on >> other customer projects until payment shows up. >> >> Or just demand prepayment for any out-of-country work. >> >> One fellow I know makes sure that the contract stipulates that he owns >> the IP for the project until the final bill is paid. Then if the >> customer doesn't pay he not has the opportunity to sue for payment (with >> in-country customers), but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his >> IP if the first suit doesn't work. >> >> -- >> >> Tim Wescott >> Wescott Design Serviceshttp://www.wescottdesign.com >> >> Do you need to implement control loops in software? >> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. >> See details athttp://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html- Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > > "...but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his > IP if the first suit doesn't work" > > Huh ??? > > What "IP" are you talking about? Patents, copyrigths or trademarks ?Copyrights on any code, mostly. He claims it works. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
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On Aug 26, 2:22�pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote:> On 08/26/2010 11:00 AM, fatalist wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 26, 12:29 pm, Tim Wescott<t...@seemywebsite.com> �wrote: > >> On 08/26/2010 07:55 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: > > >>>> Janaka Prasad wrote: > > >>>>> We have NO intention of NOT paying you. We will > >>>>> definitely pay you. > > >>> Not very long ago I developed a small project for a group in Sri Lanka: > > >>> Janaka Prasad<wijes...@gmail.com> > >>> Asanka Abeykoon<asanka.it...@gmail.com> > >>> Newton Fernando (Dr)<fernando....@gmail.com> > >>> Shan<shanmugaraj...@gmail.com> > > >>> Fortunately I required the 1/2 of the payment upfront, because I have > >>> never got the second half of the payment. If you will be contacted by > >>> any of these names, keep it in mind. > > >> It's a pisser, isn't it? �I got burned badly a couple of years ago, as a > >> consequence of trusting a former coworker more than my usual customer. > >> Stupid me. > > >> Bill in smaller increments, and be ready to send that email that > >> apologizes for the inconvenience but explains that you'll be working on > >> other customer projects until payment shows up. > > >> Or just demand prepayment for any out-of-country work. > > >> One fellow I know makes sure that the contract stipulates that he owns > >> the IP for the project until the final bill is paid. �Then if the > >> customer doesn't pay he not has the opportunity to sue for payment (with > >> in-country customers), but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his > >> IP if the first suit doesn't work. > > >> -- > > >> Tim Wescott > >> Wescott Design Serviceshttp://www.wescottdesign.com > > >> Do you need to implement control loops in software? > >> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. > >> See details athttp://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html-Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text - > > > "...but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his > > IP if the first suit doesn't work" > > > Huh ??? > > > What "IP" are you talking about? �Patents, copyrigths or trademarks ? > > Copyrights on any code, mostly. �He claims it works. > > -- > > Tim Wescott > Wescott Design Serviceshttp://www.wescottdesign.com > > Do you need to implement control loops in software? > "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. > See details athttp://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -Copyright ? On DSP code ? Hm-Hm My guess is that he keeps source code to himself Without the source code final project is of little value to his customers With the source code his copyright isn't worth anything - too easy to escape
Reply by ●August 26, 20102010-08-26
On 08/26/2010 11:38 AM, fatalist wrote:> On Aug 26, 2:22 pm, Tim Wescott<t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote: >> On 08/26/2010 11:00 AM, fatalist wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On Aug 26, 12:29 pm, Tim Wescott<t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote: >>>> On 08/26/2010 07:55 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: >> >>>>>> Janaka Prasad wrote: >> >>>>>>> We have NO intention of NOT paying you. We will >>>>>>> definitely pay you. >> >>>>> Not very long ago I developed a small project for a group in Sri Lanka: >> >>>>> Janaka Prasad<wijes...@gmail.com> >>>>> Asanka Abeykoon<asanka.it...@gmail.com> >>>>> Newton Fernando (Dr)<fernando....@gmail.com> >>>>> Shan<shanmugaraj...@gmail.com> >> >>>>> Fortunately I required the 1/2 of the payment upfront, because I have >>>>> never got the second half of the payment. If you will be contacted by >>>>> any of these names, keep it in mind. >> >>>> It's a pisser, isn't it? I got burned badly a couple of years ago, as a >>>> consequence of trusting a former coworker more than my usual customer. >>>> Stupid me. >> >>>> Bill in smaller increments, and be ready to send that email that >>>> apologizes for the inconvenience but explains that you'll be working on >>>> other customer projects until payment shows up. >> >>>> Or just demand prepayment for any out-of-country work. >> >>>> One fellow I know makes sure that the contract stipulates that he owns >>>> the IP for the project until the final bill is paid. Then if the >>>> customer doesn't pay he not has the opportunity to sue for payment (with >>>> in-country customers), but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his >>>> IP if the first suit doesn't work. >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Tim Wescott >>>> Wescott Design Serviceshttp://www.wescottdesign.com >> >>>> Do you need to implement control loops in software? >>>> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. >>>> See details athttp://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html-Hide quoted text - >> >>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>> "...but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his >>> IP if the first suit doesn't work" >> >>> Huh ??? >> >>> What "IP" are you talking about? Patents, copyrigths or trademarks ? >> >> Copyrights on any code, mostly. He claims it works. >> > > Copyright ? On DSP code ? Hm-Hm > > My guess is that he keeps source code to himself > > Without the source code final project is of little value to his > customers > > With the source code his copyright isn't worth anything - too easy to > escapeCould be. I just try to not let any customer's bill rise to the point where I can't give them the happy finger and walk away if they don't pay. In my experience if a customer really wants to stiff you then even if they're in country the best that you can do is put it out to collection, get pennies on the dollar, and waste a whole bunch of time. It's much better to just not expose yourself to the problem in the first place. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
Reply by ●August 26, 20102010-08-26
Dmitry Terez wrote:> On Aug 26, 12:29 pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote: > >>On 08/26/2010 07:55 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:>>>>Janaka Prasad wrote: >> >>>>>We have NO intention of NOT paying you. We will >>>>>definitely pay you. >> >>>Not very long ago I developed a small project for a group in Sri Lanka: >> >>>Janaka Prasad <wijes...@gmail.com> >>>Asanka Abeykoon <asanka.it...@gmail.com> >>>Newton Fernando (Dr) <fernando....@gmail.com> >>>Shan <shanmugaraj...@gmail.com> >> >>>Fortunately I required the 1/2 of the payment upfront, because I have >>>never got the second half of the payment. If you will be contacted by >>>any of these names, keep it in mind. >> >>It's a pisser, isn't it? I got burned badly a couple of years ago, as a >>consequence of trusting a former coworker more than my usual customer. >>Stupid me. >> >>Bill in smaller increments, and be ready to send that email that >>apologizes for the inconvenience but explains that you'll be working on >>other customer projects until payment shows up. >> >>Or just demand prepayment for any out-of-country work. >> >>One fellow I know makes sure that the contract stipulates that he owns >>the IP for the project until the final bill is paid. Then if the >>customer doesn't pay he not has the opportunity to sue for payment (with >>in-country customers), but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his >>IP if the first suit doesn't work. >> > > "...but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his > IP if the first suit doesn't work" > > Huh ??? > What "IP" are you talking about? Patents, copyrigths or trademarks ?BTW, I belong to libertarian religion.> Would be very interesting to know how he manages to do itIt is a minor episode. Non-paying customers are happening in any kind of business. Usually, is not worth time and money to go after them. Well, unless you are an offended type like Dmitry Teres who has nothing better to do.> BTW, now we all know about VLV's very respectful customers > Can't go any lower than thatReally? How about selling the "ultimate pitch detector" ? "Tell us about your success" (TM) ?> And I used to think that cheap outsourcing works the opposite wayGet in touch with reality, Dmitry. A lot of consulting work is actually done for the customers in Asia nowadays. And this is not just my experience.> Stupid me...Sure. You constantly make fool of yourself. VLV
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On Aug 26, 2:52�pm, Vladimir Vassilevsky <nos...@nowhere.com> wrote:> Dmitry Terez wrote: > > On Aug 26, 12:29 pm, Tim Wescott <t...@seemywebsite.com> wrote: > > >>On 08/26/2010 07:55 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: > >>>>Janaka Prasad wrote: > > >>>>>We have NO intention of NOT paying you. We will > >>>>>definitely pay you. > > >>>Not very long ago I developed a small project for a group in Sri Lanka: > > >>>Janaka Prasad <wijes...@gmail.com> > >>>Asanka Abeykoon <asanka.it...@gmail.com> > >>>Newton Fernando (Dr) <fernando....@gmail.com> > >>>Shan <shanmugaraj...@gmail.com> > > >>>Fortunately I required the 1/2 of the payment upfront, because I have > >>>never got the second half of the payment. If you will be contacted by > >>>any of these names, keep it in mind. > > >>It's a pisser, isn't it? �I got burned badly a couple of years ago, as a > >>consequence of trusting a former coworker more than my usual customer. > >>Stupid me. > > >>Bill in smaller increments, and be ready to send that email that > >>apologizes for the inconvenience but explains that you'll be working on > >>other customer projects until payment shows up. > > >>Or just demand prepayment for any out-of-country work. > > >>One fellow I know makes sure that the contract stipulates that he owns > >>the IP for the project until the final bill is paid. �Then if the > >>customer doesn't pay he not has the opportunity to sue for payment (with > >>in-country customers), but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his > >>IP if the first suit doesn't work. > > > "...but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his > > IP if the first suit doesn't work" > > > Huh ??? > > What "IP" are you talking about? �Patents, copyrigths or trademarks ? > > BTW, I belong to libertarian religion. > > > Would be very interesting to know how he manages to do it > > It is a minor episode. Non-paying customers are happening in any kind of > business. Usually, is not worth time and money to go after them. Well, > unless you are an offended type like Dmitry Teres who has nothing better > to do. > > > BTW, now we all know about VLV's very respectful customers > > Can't go any lower than that > > Really? How about selling the "ultimate pitch detector" ? > "Tell us about your success" (TM) ? > > > And I used to think that cheap outsourcing works the opposite way > > Get in touch with reality, Dmitry. A lot of consulting work is actually > done for the customers in Asia nowadays. And this is not just my experience. > > > Stupid me... > > Sure. You constantly make fool of yourself. > > VLV- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -libertarian ??? What kind ? Left or right ?
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Tim Wescott wrote:> On 08/26/2010 07:55 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote: > >> >>> Janaka Prasad wrote: >>> >>>> We have NO intention of NOT paying you. We will >>>> definitely pay you. >> > > Or just demand prepayment for any out-of-country work.Tim, As a matter of business practice, I usually don't take any money upfront. I think this is more honest way for doing things.> One fellow I know makes sure that the contract stipulates that he owns > the IP for the project until the final bill is paid. Then if the > customer doesn't pay he not has the opportunity to sue for payment (with > in-country customers), but he has the opportunity to sue for use of his > IP if the first suit doesn't work.My experience tells me the more legal BS is included in the contract, the less is the actual intention to get worked out anything practical. Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Design Consultant http://www.abvolt.com
