Electronic "Taggent" To Keep Subscribers From Reposting Articles

At one time, not so long ago, Greegor <greegor47@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sep 17, 8:10&#4294967295;am, Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cah...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > They'll be a fee for the NYT again starting next year,
>>
>> Maybe there could be some way to put a unique electronic "taggent" on
>> each subscriber's download -- the poor man's version might be a
>> strategically placed misspelling -- to determine which subscribers
>> are
>> violating the copyright laws.
>>
>> At a minimum it might force them to at least retype the entire
>> article.
>>
>> The slow dime over the fast nickel science and technology pages that
>> charge $20/article don't have the same IP theft problems as the
>> "popular" press.
>>
>> Some kind of cooperative effort with Google and others may be
>> necessary
>> to make it work.
>>
>> Bret Cahill
>
>Lots of people read the harsh totalitarian
>copyright warnings projected by NYT and
>other papers/sites and completely fail to
>understand the quite liberal
>FAIR USE EXCEPTIONS to the copyright law.
>
>Any news story posted to usenet would be
>fully covered by the FAIR USE EXCEPTIONS
>because it is for discussion purposes and
>not for profit.
>
>Perhaps the NYT should pay for their
>news gathering with advertising?

     Fair use permits the quoting of PART of the work for, among other
reasons, discussion.  It does not allow for posting of the full
article.

A select number of items that really are about Gregory Scott "Piggly
Wiggly" Hanson (Greg states they are as believable as the comment that
water is wet):

Title: ST VS GREGORY HANSON
      (DOB 05/22/1959)
CRIMINAL COMPLAINT   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 1 OWI 1ST
OTHER CITATION   04/10/1996
     Comments: CT 2 SPEED
Disposition Status
     GUILTY PLEA/DEFAULT

"That's the chick, but not the pic, zipperhead!"
    Greg "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson proving his bigotry towards Asians, by
attacking my first wife (deceased).
http://www.rsdb.org/search?q=zipperhead

Me:  "I suspect your stalking is due to the use and abuse of illegal
drugs, Greg.  Is the reason for your stalking the members of
alt.friends due to the use and abuse of illegal drugs?

Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child abuser:
"Of course."

"My family's case is for Neglect, but we are treated
in virtually every regard as child abusers, marked on
the Child Abuse registry, for example."
   -- Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson, wife beater and child
abuser

" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
                         April 2000, Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson

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From: Greegor <greego...@gmail.com>
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With the Christmas season upon us again, my stepdaughter was launching
into her usual tirade of "I need this" (Nintendo 64 games, Pokemon,
videos, Rhianna CD, etc.)  After enduring a trip through Kmart, I
was at my wits end.  I took the kid home and filled the bathtub with
water.  Then I dunked the brat's head under the water and counted out
a full minute, with her flailing her arms.  I brought her up and she
gasped for air.  When she'd caught her breath, I asked her,  "When you
were under that water, did you 'need' Nintendo?  Pokemon?  Rhianna?"
She shook her head.  "What were you thinking about?" I
prodded.  She told me "I was thinking that I needed air."

"Now you know the difference between 'need' and 'want'" I exclaimed
triumphantly.

--a true story 

As of Sunday, August 15, 2010:

SMALL CLAIMS ORIGINAL NOTICE    
     Comments: OPA $2805.04
     COPIES TO PA
     VERIFICATION OF ACCOUNT

JUDGEMENT DEFAULT
     Comments: JUDGMENT AGAINST GREGORY HANSON FOR $2805.04
               + INTEREST AT 7.271% FROM 8/6/98 & $45.00 COSTS.

Comments: NOTE OF GARN/NOTE TO DEFT SERV 9/24/98 BY WCSD
          TO SYSTEMS MANAGEMENT (ED POLKERS) FOR GREG HANSON
          FEES $35.60

Gregory Scott "Piggly Wiggly" Hanson has a Garnishment order against
him.  There is nothing to even suggest any of the money legally owed
has been paid. The SoL on the order has likely expired, but Greg still
can't risk getting a job due to it.

> > Regardless of the law it could still be at least technically possible
> > to make subscriptions available with the stipulation that the articles
> > not be re posted.

> NYT seems to have already tried that sort of protectionism.

How were they trying to determine which subscribers were the sources
of which reposted material?

> At that point it would become a contract violation and
> not a copyright violation where FAIR USE offers an exception.

That may be difficult to enforce even if they knew and that alone may
kill the idea.

Supposing hundreds or thousands of subscriber - violators started to
sue in small claims court to get their subscriptions back?

> > It may very well require a huge joint cooperative effort but it could
> > still be worth it.

> You wrote that from the perspective of authors and
> publishers and seem to be trying to minimize
> the FAIR USE exceptions to copyright law.

Hardly.  The reason for protecting the IP of writers employed by the
"popular press" isn't all that lofty.  It's just not very smart to
have a lot of talented writers in the same economic situation as
underpaid New Orleans cops.

They're going to get money from somewhere.

The real question is, if their readers aren't paying them, who is?

> At the same time you seem to concede the
> exceptions when you suggest more restrictive
> subscription to access content with contractual
> stipulation OUTSIDE of the law.
> (Then enforceable by terminating subscription or
> through tort action for contract violation but NOT
> for copyright law violation..)

> I have posted THOUSANDS of complete news articles
> to usenet with links and I have never even been asked
> by any publisher to cease, not that I would.

There may be a reason for that other than just the infeasibility of
taking thousands to court.  After all, they could always prosecute a
few to set as examples.

The real reason is the media are mostly funded by corp. and other
monied interests who exercise a whole lot more editorial control over
the content of the "independent" media than what publishers would have
you believe.

This "soft power" editorial control is worth a whole lot more to the
monied interests than any increase in revenue Saks Fifth Avenue ever
realizes from 7 day / week $80K / full page ads.

That's why they aren't going to prosecute anyone.  You are just
unwittingly helping them spread their propaganda around.

That's another good reason to comply with the spirit of the copyright
laws.

You can repost the specific truths they do put out, omit the link if
you want -- the lazy and ignorant will not google -- and then later
point out how the _Times_ would have everyone believe Pat Robertson
came over on the Mayflower, the top tax rate under JFK was 20% and
that Revolutionary era American political engagement wasn't any more
sophisticated than "taxing rum and subduing Indians."

Just read _Democracy In America_ (1833) and you'll immediately see the
heavy duty historical revisionism and understand how soft power
editorial control works.


Bret Cahill

>
> The real reason is the media are mostly funded by corp. and other
> monied interests who exercise a whole lot more editorial control over
> the content of the "independent" media than what publishers would have
> you believe.
>
> This "soft power" editorial control is worth a whole lot more to the
> monied interests than any increase in revenue Saks Fifth Avenue ever
> realizes from 7 day / week $80K / full page ads.
>
>

then why are some newspapers actually going out of biz?

if the "soft power" were so valuable...the "monied interests" (your
term) would keep them funded just to maintain the "soft power"

Mark