Hi Guys, I recently received an E-mail from an organization that publishes a journal titled: "ISRN Signal Processing". They invited me to submit a signal processing manuscript for possible publication in their journal. Well, at that time I didn't have any interesting ideas for a DSP paper, but I did go to their web site just to see who these folks were. What surprised me was that if they accept an author's manuscript for publication, they charge the author $500 U.S. (350 Euros). That shocked me a little. I'm accustomed to publishers paying me for an article that I'd written. For example, some years ago the "Test & Measurement World" magazine paid their authors $400 U.S. (275 Euros) per printed page. That was a good deal because if you had all your material assembled, and you were well acquainted with your subject, you could knock out a four-page article in one weekend. ($1600 would buy an awful lot of beer and cigars.) I imagine those days are behind us though. A couple of years ago I wrote a short article for the "Design-Briefs" column of the Electronic Design magazine. They promised their authors a payment of $150 U.S. However, they never did pay me. Two days ago I received an E-mail from the "EURASIP Journal on Advances in Signal Processing" inviting me to submit a manuscript. Those folks charge their authors a whopping $1500 U.S. (1000 Euros). All of this made me wonder about what the IEEE might be charging their authors. Reluctantly I went to the IEEE's painfully overcomplicated web site. All I could learn their is that the "IEEE Transactions on Signal Processing" folks charge their authors $110/page for the first eight pages, and $160/page for each additional page. Do university professors, under intense pressure to continually publish papers, pay those charges out of their own pockets? See Ya, [-Rick-]
The cost of publishing a paper
Started by ●November 14, 2010
Reply by ●November 14, 20102010-11-14
On Sun, 14 Nov 2010 04:29:47 -0800, Rick Lyons <R.Lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org> wrote:> >Hi Guys, > I recently received an E-mail from an >organization that publishes a journal >titled: "ISRN Signal Processing". They >invited me to submit a signal processing >manuscript for possible publication in >their journal. > >Well, at that time I didn't have any interesting >ideas for a DSP paper, but I did go to their web >site just to see who these folks were. What >surprised me was that if they accept an author's >manuscript for publication, they charge the author >$500 U.S. (350 Euros). > >That shocked me a little. I'm accustomed to >publishers paying me for an article that I'd written. >For example, some years ago the "Test & Measurement >World" magazine paid their authors $400 U.S. >(275 Euros) per printed page. That was a good deal >because if you had all your material assembled, and >you were well acquainted with your subject, you could >knock out a four-page article in one weekend. >($1600 would buy an awful lot of beer and cigars.) > >I imagine those days are behind us though. A couple >of years ago I wrote a short article for the >"Design-Briefs" column of the Electronic Design magazine. >They promised their authors a payment of $150 U.S. >However, they never did pay me. > >Two days ago I received an E-mail from the >"EURASIP Journal on Advances in Signal Processing" >inviting me to submit a manuscript. Those folks >charge their authors a whopping $1500 U.S. (1000 Euros). > >All of this made me wonder about what the IEEE >might be charging their authors. Reluctantly >I went to the IEEE's painfully overcomplicated web >site. All I could learn their is that the >"IEEE Transactions on Signal Processing" folks >charge their authors $110/page for the first eight >pages, and $160/page for each additional page. > >Do university professors, under intense pressure to >continually publish papers, pay those charges out >of their own pockets? > >See Ya, >[-Rick-]Perhaps you have discovered a "Business Opportunity?" John Ferrell W8CCW
Reply by ●November 14, 20102010-11-14
Rick Lyons wrote:> Hi Guys, > I recently received an E-mail from an > organization that publishes a journal > titled: "ISRN Signal Processing". They > invited me to submit a signal processing > manuscript for possible publication in > their journal. > > Well, at that time I didn't have any interesting > ideas for a DSP paper, but I did go to their web > site just to see who these folks were. What > surprised me was that if they accept an author's > manuscript for publication, they charge the author > $500 U.S. (350 Euros). > > That shocked me a little. I'm accustomed to > publishers paying me for an article that I'd written. > For example, some years ago the "Test & Measurement > World" magazine paid their authors $400 U.S. > (275 Euros) per printed page. That was a good deal > because if you had all your material assembled, and > you were well acquainted with your subject, you could > knock out a four-page article in one weekend. > ($1600 would buy an awful lot of beer and cigars.) > > I imagine those days are behind us though. A couple > of years ago I wrote a short article for the > "Design-Briefs" column of the Electronic Design magazine. > They promised their authors a payment of $150 U.S. > However, they never did pay me. > > Two days ago I received an E-mail from the > "EURASIP Journal on Advances in Signal Processing" > inviting me to submit a manuscript. Those folks > charge their authors a whopping $1500 U.S. (1000 Euros). > > All of this made me wonder about what the IEEE > might be charging their authors. Reluctantly > I went to the IEEE's painfully overcomplicated web > site. All I could learn their is that the > "IEEE Transactions on Signal Processing" folks > charge their authors $110/page for the first eight > pages, and $160/page for each additional page. > > Do university professors, under intense pressure to > continually publish papers, pay those charges out > of their own pockets?Hm. So, the magazines finally admitted that the sole purpose of publication is advertisement. Does this mean there is more of writers then that of readers? VLV
Reply by ●November 14, 20102010-11-14
Rick Lyons wrote:> Hi Guys, > I recently received an E-mail from an > organization that publishes a journal > titled: "ISRN Signal Processing". They > invited me to submit a signal processing > manuscript for possible publication in > their journal. > > Well, at that time I didn't have any interesting > ideas for a DSP paper, but I did go to their web > site just to see who these folks were. What > surprised me was that if they accept an author's > manuscript for publication, they charge the author > $500 U.S. (350 Euros). > > That shocked me a little. I'm accustomed to > publishers paying me for an article that I'd written. > For example, some years ago the "Test & Measurement > World" magazine paid their authors $400 U.S. > (275 Euros) per printed page. That was a good deal > because if you had all your material assembled, and > you were well acquainted with your subject, you could > knock out a four-page article in one weekend. > ($1600 would buy an awful lot of beer and cigars.) > > I imagine those days are behind us though. A couple > of years ago I wrote a short article for the > "Design-Briefs" column of the Electronic Design magazine. > They promised their authors a payment of $150 U.S. > However, they never did pay me. > > Two days ago I received an E-mail from the > "EURASIP Journal on Advances in Signal Processing" > inviting me to submit a manuscript. Those folks > charge their authors a whopping $1500 U.S. (1000 Euros). > > All of this made me wonder about what the IEEE > might be charging their authors. Reluctantly > I went to the IEEE's painfully overcomplicated web > site. All I could learn their is that the > "IEEE Transactions on Signal Processing" folks > charge their authors $110/page for the first eight > pages, and $160/page for each additional page. >What I do not like about IEEE is that they charge a ton of money for anyone to access articles. Even members who pay dues north of $200 have no access to the digital library unless the article is in a society's mainstream channel _and_ you are a paid up member of that society. This is why I essentially stopped publishing, as I prefer not to support such trends. IMHO it is better to self-publish, on your own web site.> Do university professors, under intense pressure to > continually publish papers, pay those charges out > of their own pockets? >Probably out of taxpayer pockets in many countries. Tuition fees in the others. A sad state of affairs, especially since it's "publish or perish" in that sector. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
Reply by ●November 14, 20102010-11-14
On 11/14/2010 04:29 AM, Rick Lyons wrote:> > Hi Guys, > I recently received an E-mail from an > organization that publishes a journal > titled: "ISRN Signal Processing". They > invited me to submit a signal processing > manuscript for possible publication in > their journal. > > Well, at that time I didn't have any interesting > ideas for a DSP paper, but I did go to their web > site just to see who these folks were. What > surprised me was that if they accept an author's > manuscript for publication, they charge the author > $500 U.S. (350 Euros). > > That shocked me a little. I'm accustomed to > publishers paying me for an article that I'd written. > For example, some years ago the "Test& Measurement > World" magazine paid their authors $400 U.S. > (275 Euros) per printed page. That was a good deal > because if you had all your material assembled, and > you were well acquainted with your subject, you could > knock out a four-page article in one weekend. > ($1600 would buy an awful lot of beer and cigars.) > > I imagine those days are behind us though. A couple > of years ago I wrote a short article for the > "Design-Briefs" column of the Electronic Design magazine. > They promised their authors a payment of $150 U.S. > However, they never did pay me. > > Two days ago I received an E-mail from the > "EURASIP Journal on Advances in Signal Processing" > inviting me to submit a manuscript. Those folks > charge their authors a whopping $1500 U.S. (1000 Euros). > > All of this made me wonder about what the IEEE > might be charging their authors. Reluctantly > I went to the IEEE's painfully overcomplicated web > site. All I could learn their is that the > "IEEE Transactions on Signal Processing" folks > charge their authors $110/page for the first eight > pages, and $160/page for each additional page. > > Do university professors, under intense pressure to > continually publish papers, pay those charges out > of their own pockets? > > See Ya, > [-Rick-]Academic journals have always charged their authors to publish, or at least this has been the case since the 1980's. This is probably because publishing is essential for a serious academic career, so you're motivated to pay. At the same time, academic journals don't advertise, so they need to get their money somehow. I got the impression, back when I was still considering getting a PhD, that ones institution would often pay for ones publications. Professional engineers don't have this motivation, and 'professional' journals are primarily paid for by advertising dollars. So a 'professional' journal like Wireless World or EE Times is going to expect to pay at least a nominal amount for an article. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Do you need to implement control loops in software? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" was written for you. See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
Reply by ●November 14, 20102010-11-14
On 11/14/10 13:38, Tim Wescott wrote:> On 11/14/2010 04:29 AM, Rick Lyons wrote: >> >> Hi Guys, >> I recently received an E-mail from an >> organization that publishes a journal >> titled: "ISRN Signal Processing". They >> invited me to submit a signal processing >> manuscript for possible publication in >> their journal. >> >> Well, at that time I didn't have any interesting >> ideas for a DSP paper, but I did go to their web >> site just to see who these folks were. What >> surprised me was that if they accept an author's >> manuscript for publication, they charge the author >> $500 U.S. (350 Euros). >> >> That shocked me a little. I'm accustomed to >> publishers paying me for an article that I'd written. >> For example, some years ago the "Test& Measurement >> World" magazine paid their authors $400 U.S. >> (275 Euros) per printed page. That was a good deal >> because if you had all your material assembled, and >> you were well acquainted with your subject, you could >> knock out a four-page article in one weekend. >> ($1600 would buy an awful lot of beer and cigars.) >> >> I imagine those days are behind us though. A couple >> of years ago I wrote a short article for the >> "Design-Briefs" column of the Electronic Design magazine. >> They promised their authors a payment of $150 U.S. >> However, they never did pay me. >> >> Two days ago I received an E-mail from the >> "EURASIP Journal on Advances in Signal Processing" >> inviting me to submit a manuscript. Those folks >> charge their authors a whopping $1500 U.S. (1000 Euros). >> >> All of this made me wonder about what the IEEE >> might be charging their authors. Reluctantly >> I went to the IEEE's painfully overcomplicated web >> site. All I could learn their is that the >> "IEEE Transactions on Signal Processing" folks >> charge their authors $110/page for the first eight >> pages, and $160/page for each additional page. >> >> Do university professors, under intense pressure to >> continually publish papers, pay those charges out >> of their own pockets? >> >> See Ya, >> [-Rick-] > > Academic journals have always charged their authors to publish, or at > least this has been the case since the 1980's. > > This is probably because publishing is essential for a serious academic > career, so you're motivated to pay. At the same time, academic journals > don't advertise, so they need to get their money somehow. I got the > impression, back when I was still considering getting a PhD, that ones > institution would often pay for ones publications. > > Professional engineers don't have this motivation, and 'professional' > journals are primarily paid for by advertising dollars. So a > 'professional' journal like Wireless World or EE Times is going to > expect to pay at least a nominal amount for an article. >Ditto. My experience (which is a few years old now, but I doubt much has changed) is that academic journals pretty much all have page charges (which will be higher for the more prestigious ones), and these are normally paid by the author's employer (university, research institute, corporate research center). Some journals might waive page charges for authors who can demonstrate that their employers will not pay, rather than expecting the authors to dig into their own pockets. My impression is that most universities are willing to pay (academic administrators generally want to see their faculty generating as many pages of refereed publications as possible, and probably assume that reduced page charges would only result in their libraries paying higher subscription fees for journals). Of course, the prices charged by academic publishers have long been controversial amongst the professoriat. Journals published by professional societies (like the IEEE) are generally some of the cheapest (at least for subscriptions, and I'd guess for page charges too). Robert E. Beaudoin
Reply by ●November 14, 20102010-11-14
Rick Lyons <R.Lyons@_bogus_ieee.org> wrote: (snip on page charges by journals)> All of this made me wonder about what the IEEE > might be charging their authors. Reluctantly > I went to the IEEE's painfully overcomplicated web > site. All I could learn their is that the > "IEEE Transactions on Signal Processing" folks > charge their authors $110/page for the first eight > pages, and $160/page for each additional page.> Do university professors, under intense pressure to > continually publish papers, pay those charges out > of their own pockets?I believe it is usually paid by the department. In some, the page charges are optional, but those who pay get some number of copies or reprints of the article. It used to be usual for the department to keep file drawers full of reprints, and people could write and ask for a copy. (Especially if no library is nearby with the journal.) Also, unless one is from a poor country, not paying the page charges might get a lower publication priority. Now with the web and PDFs, it is less necessary to have reprints to mail out. Some, but not all, allow authors to post copies on the web for download. (That is, for those that require a copyright transfer where it would otherwise be a copyright violation to post.) The usual fair-use rules should still apply, one one could likely get a copy through an e-mail request to the author. -- glen
Reply by ●November 14, 20102010-11-14
Tim Wescott wrote:> On 11/14/2010 04:29 AM, Rick Lyons wrote: >> >> Hi Guys, >> I recently received an E-mail from an >> organization that publishes a journal >> titled: "ISRN Signal Processing". They >> invited me to submit a signal processing >> manuscript for possible publication in >> their journal. >> >> Well, at that time I didn't have any interesting >> ideas for a DSP paper, but I did go to their web >> site just to see who these folks were. What >> surprised me was that if they accept an author's >> manuscript for publication, they charge the author >> $500 U.S. (350 Euros). >> >> That shocked me a little. I'm accustomed to >> publishers paying me for an article that I'd written. >> For example, some years ago the "Test& Measurement >> World" magazine paid their authors $400 U.S. >> (275 Euros) per printed page. That was a good deal >> because if you had all your material assembled, and >> you were well acquainted with your subject, you could >> knock out a four-page article in one weekend. >> ($1600 would buy an awful lot of beer and cigars.) >> >> I imagine those days are behind us though. A couple >> of years ago I wrote a short article for the >> "Design-Briefs" column of the Electronic Design magazine. >> They promised their authors a payment of $150 U.S. >> However, they never did pay me. >> >> Two days ago I received an E-mail from the >> "EURASIP Journal on Advances in Signal Processing" >> inviting me to submit a manuscript. Those folks >> charge their authors a whopping $1500 U.S. (1000 Euros). >> >> All of this made me wonder about what the IEEE >> might be charging their authors. Reluctantly >> I went to the IEEE's painfully overcomplicated web >> site. All I could learn their is that the >> "IEEE Transactions on Signal Processing" folks >> charge their authors $110/page for the first eight >> pages, and $160/page for each additional page. >> >> Do university professors, under intense pressure to >> continually publish papers, pay those charges out >> of their own pockets? >> >> See Ya, >> [-Rick-] > > Academic journals have always charged their authors to publish, or at > least this has been the case since the 1980's. >Nah, I have co-authored around ten or so in the late 80's and early 90's. AFAIR we were not charged. IEEE, Elsevier, Huethig and so on, scientific publishing houses.> This is probably because publishing is essential for a serious academic > career, so you're motivated to pay. At the same time, academic journals > don't advertise, so they need to get their money somehow. I got the > impression, back when I was still considering getting a PhD, that ones > institution would often pay for ones publications. >Actually they do have advertising. Other than the usual tenure-track position ads also ads for super-pricey tools that academians and scientists use a lot. I guess that is one reason why I am going to have to plunk down around $1300 for Mathcad very soon <ouch>.> Professional engineers don't have this motivation, and 'professional' > journals are primarily paid for by advertising dollars. So a > 'professional' journal like Wireless World or EE Times is going to > expect to pay at least a nominal amount for an article. >Nowadays a lot of "real meat" information is found in manufacturer publications such as app notes or on web sites. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
Reply by ●November 14, 20102010-11-14
Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote: [IEEE etc. journals]>Actually they do have advertising. Other than the usual tenure-track >position ads also ads for super-pricey tools that academians and >scientists use a lot.A lot of the job ads are for positions that are already filled, but they are trying to satisfy H-1 or other bureaucratic requirements.>Nowadays a lot of "real meat" information is found in manufacturer >publications such as app notes or on web sites.Always have been true. I still have the old National linear application handbooks. Steve
Reply by ●November 14, 20102010-11-14
Steve Pope wrote:> Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote: > > [IEEE etc. journals] > >> Actually they do have advertising. Other than the usual tenure-track >> position ads also ads for super-pricey tools that academians and >> scientists use a lot. > > A lot of the job ads are for positions that are already filled, > but they are trying to satisfy H-1 or other bureaucratic requirements. >For tenure-track professor positions? Most of those ads are for very high level academic jobs such as leading a whole big institute at a university. I can't imagine there being bureacratic hurdles for those. Other ads are for defense industry positions where they usually couldn't even consider someone just immigrating.>> Nowadays a lot of "real meat" information is found in manufacturer >> publications such as app notes or on web sites. > > Always have been true. I still have the old National linear application > handbooks. >Oh yeah, same here. And don't ever throw away old databooks. Many mfgs seem to purge datasheets from their sites the millisecond something is being obsoleted. Also, those books are full of really useful hints because they were written by the old crew, by guys who really knew their stuff. Engineers like Robert Widlar. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
