Another article about the problems with the academic publishers:
http://www.crypto.com/blog/copywrongs/
Erik
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Erik de Castro Lopo
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Why do IEEE and ACM act against the interests of scholars?
Started by ●July 22, 2011
Reply by ●July 23, 20112011-07-23
On Jul 22, 8:31�pm, Erik de Castro Lopo <er...@mega-nerd.com> wrote:> Another article about the problems with the academic publishers: > > � �http://www.crypto.com/blog/copywrongs/We need an alternative venue where both big names and guys like you* can publish. Whrn Transactions and Proceedings get onlt6 second crack at good material, maybe they'll rationalize their ways. Jerry _______________________________ * That is, creative, highly competent, but not quite world famous. -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
Reply by ●July 23, 20112011-07-23
On Jul 23, 12:31�pm, Erik de Castro Lopo <er...@mega-nerd.com> wrote:> Another article about the problems with the academic publishers: > > � �http://www.crypto.com/blog/copywrongs/ > > Erik > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Erik de Castro Lopohttp://www.mega-nerd.com/There are open source journals. It takes time for them to become known however. Hardy
Reply by ●July 23, 20112011-07-23
HardySpicer wrote:> On Jul 23, 12:31 pm, Erik de Castro Lopo <er...@mega-nerd.com> wrote: > > Another article about the problems with the academic publishers: > > > > http://www.crypto.com/blog/copywrongs/ > > There are open source journals. It takes time for them to become known > however.Thats fine for new papers, what about the decades worth of papers already locked behind the paywalls of the IEEE. Currently locked behind these paywall is nearly every important paper ever written on the subject of Digital Signal Processing. Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/
Reply by ●July 23, 20112011-07-23
On Jul 23, 5:36�am, Erik de Castro Lopo <er...@mega-nerd.com> wrote:> HardySpicer wrote: > > On Jul 23, 12:31�pm, Erik de Castro Lopo <er...@mega-nerd.com> wrote: > > > Another article about the problems with the academic publishers: > > > > � �http://www.crypto.com/blog/copywrongs/ > > > There are open source journals. It takes time for them to become known > > however. > > Thats fine for new papers, what about the decades worth of papers > already locked behind the paywalls of the IEEE. > > Currently locked behind these paywall is nearly every important > paper ever written on the subject of Digital Signal Processing.i think that AES is a little bit better. the stuff i've written that they preprinted for conventions i have no issue with disseminating any which way i want. (some lives at the music-dsp site.) but the JAES doesn't require the academic credentials that IEEE Transactions do to get in. if it's published in the Journal, then the AES owns it and doesn't want authors posting the same on their own websites. one problem is that of being an institution. although not always the case (the Sokal hoax is the best example), institutionalized journals have enough of a gate that should keep out the obvious pseudo-science and crap. but IEEE transactions are very in-bred, and if you ain't one of they, you don't get published. in addition there is a lot of over-mathematicalized psuedo-crap published. if you have an interesting DSP alg you've cooked up and if it has *some* plausibility to application to audio, try the AES. otherwise, the internet is gonna do to the journals and those who peddle them what it did to the monographs and those who sell books. give it another decade or two. r b-j
Reply by ●July 23, 20112011-07-23
On Jul 23, 1:34�pm, robert bristow-johnson <r...@audioimagination.com> wrote:> if you have an interesting DSP alg you've cooked up and if it has > *some* plausibility to application to audio, try the AES.I'll second rb-j's nomination of the AES for audio-related DSP work. Ciao, Peter K.
Reply by ●July 23, 20112011-07-23
On Jul 23, 9:36�pm, Erik de Castro Lopo <er...@mega-nerd.com> wrote:> HardySpicer wrote: > > On Jul 23, 12:31�pm, Erik de Castro Lopo <er...@mega-nerd.com> wrote: > > > Another article about the problems with the academic publishers: > > > > � �http://www.crypto.com/blog/copywrongs/ > > > There are open source journals. It takes time for them to become known > > however. > > Thats fine for new papers, what about the decades worth of papers > already locked behind the paywalls of the IEEE. > > Currently locked behind these paywall is nearly every important > paper ever written on the subject of Digital Signal Processing. > > Erik > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Erik de Castro Lopohttp://www.mega-nerd.com/I'm not an IEEE member but I thought that if you were they give you access to Xplore?
Reply by ●July 23, 20112011-07-23
On Jul 23, 12:31�pm, Erik de Castro Lopo <er...@mega-nerd.com> wrote:> Another article about the problems with the academic publishers: > > � �http://www.crypto.com/blog/copywrongs/ > > Erik > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Erik de Castro Lopohttp://www.mega-nerd.com/Some of the less gready Scientific organisations and Journals make the paper free after 6 months. Sounds like a good compromise but remember these people are in business. That is the capatilist society in action. Hardy
Reply by ●July 23, 20112011-07-23
HardySpicer wrote:> Some of the less gready Scientific organisations and Journals make the > paper free after 6 months.Thats is far more reasonable.> Sounds like a good compromise but remember these people are in > business. That is the capatilist society in action.No its not. These organisations: a) Have no competition. b) Pay the authors nothing. c) Pay the reviewers nothing. d) Pay the editors nothing. Where is the free market here? Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/
Reply by ●July 24, 20112011-07-24
HardySpicer wrote:> > Currently locked behind these paywall is nearly every important > > paper ever written on the subject of Digital Signal Processing. > > I'm not an IEEE member but I thought that if you were they give you > access to Xplore?There is a discount for IEEE members. Back when I had IEEE membership downloaded PDF papers were $12 for members and $30 for non-members. Actual cost of providing that paper? Unlikely to be anywhere near that $12. Erik -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Erik de Castro Lopo http://www.mega-nerd.com/
