Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented anywhere? -- % Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side %%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall." %%%% <yates@ieee.org> % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr
SACD Digital Interface?
Started by ●January 4, 2004
Reply by ●January 4, 20042004-01-04
On Sun, 04 Jan 2004 22:56:36 GMT, Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> wrote:>Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to >analog could be done externally?Some consumer players, such as Accuphase or dCs, use a proprietary encrypted link. But you're stuck using a drive and a DAC from the same manufacturer, as they aren't interoperable between brands. Pro gear is another story.>If so, is this interface documented anywhere?Nope for consumer apps, because of it's proprietary nature.
Reply by ●January 4, 20042004-01-04
"Randy Yates" <yates@ieee.org> wrote in message news:ES0Kb.8389$6B.3060@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...> Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to > analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented > anywhere?Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power amp and a passive filter to the speaker.
Reply by ●January 4, 20042004-01-04
Matt Timmermans wrote:> "Randy Yates" <yates@ieee.org> wrote in message > news:ES0Kb.8389$6B.3060@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net... > >>Do SACD players have a DSD digital output so that the conversion to >>analog could be done externally? If so, is this interface documented >>anywhere? > > > Wouldn't that be nice... you could just send it through a saturating power > amp and a passive filter to the speaker.Why not? Or buy a $40,000 Wadia outboard SACD converter with TrueRealism(TM) technology and patented FrenchCurve(TM) time-domain processing. <add whatever BS terms you like here> Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way... -- % Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side %%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall." %%%% <yates@ieee.org> % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr
Reply by ●January 4, 20042004-01-04
Randy Yates wrote:> Why hogtie the > converter > to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that > way...Randy, I'd like your take on how this helps sell more players. I'm not sure I get it. Glenn Zelniker
Reply by ●January 5, 20042004-01-05
Randy Yates wrote:> > > Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't > that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best > way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter > to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way...Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about protection of content from theft regardless of how effective it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any form from SACD players. Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein
Reply by ●January 5, 20042004-01-05
"Bob Cain" <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in message news:3FF8EE7E.27535703@arcanemethods.com...> > > Randy Yates wrote: > > > > > > Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be?Isn't> > that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what'sthe best> > way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie theconverter> > to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players thatway...> > Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about > protection of content from theft regardless of how effective > it might be. You can't and won't find digital output in any > form from SACD players.Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a proprietary firewire connection: http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4>>>DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second EditionUnits) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port is set to A&M Protocol . <<<<
Reply by ●January 5, 20042004-01-05
Charles Tomaras wrote:> > Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts via a > proprietary firewire connection: > > http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4 > > >>>DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition > Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuring exclusive > DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable > system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with > upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, the port > is set to A&M Protocol . <<<<What's A&M protocol? Bob -- "Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler." A. Einstein
Reply by ●January 5, 20042004-01-05
Bob Cain wrote:> > Randy Yates wrote: > >> >>Seriously, Matt, you act like this is a silly question. Why would it be? Isn't >>that kinda the idea of SACD - let the latest technology decide what's the best >>way to downconvert the delta sigma modulator output? Why hogtie the converter >>to the transport? Oh, yeah! I get it - we get to sell more players that way... > > > Nope. We get to sell more content that way. It's about > protection of content from theft regardless of how effective > it might be.That's so stupid (not you Bob, I'm talking about this wishful record company thinking), it has to be the idea of Dilbert's boss. It's like trying to protect a house from break-in by locking only the back door while leaving the front door open. I've got an even better idea: let's add 0 dB white noise to the signal before we output it from the CD player. This way NOBODY can steal the music! Not even from the analogue outputs! That will teach 'em damn music pirates a lesson ...> > > Bob
Reply by ●January 5, 20042004-01-05
"Bob Cain" <arcane@arcanemethods.com> wrote in message news:3FF9131E.B3D5003@arcanemethods.com...> > > Charles Tomaras wrote: > > > > Actually the Denon DVD5900 does feature SACD digital output of sorts viaa> > proprietary firewire connection: > > > > http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=4 > > > > >>>DENON Link for connection to AVR-5803 (compatible with Second Edition > > Units) . PCM and DSD Compatible IEEE-1394 Out/In ports, featuringexclusive> > DENON Clock Synchronized System (DCSS), a proprietary and defeatable > > system . The IEEE-1394 port with DCSS activated, functions only with > > upcoming DENON IEEE-1394 equipped product; when DCSS is defeated, theport> > is set to A&M Protocol . <<<< > > What's A&M protocol?You got me! No time to dig through their web site now to see if it's there. If you are looking I would check out the specs for the 5803 receiver as they may mention it there since it appears to refer to a protocol for connecting to that device. http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/products.asp?l=1&c=2
