hi and happy new year ! I am a recently french graduated electrical engineer and i�ll have an interview in Vienna. The position is for writing software for digital signal processors. But I don�t know how many k� I should ask as for a beginner's first job in Austria. I ve got a first idea of 32k� but I'm not sure. Any hints or advises would be much appreciated. thanks. nyves -- enlever NOSPAM pour me repondre sur mon courriel
another salary question
Started by ●January 1, 2004
Reply by ●January 5, 20042004-01-05
nyves: If things in Europe are anything like here in the states, worry about the work and co-workers, as they will either build your skills as a DSP engineer, or lead you in an example of slack-as-much-as-you-can-and-still-get-your-pay. If the company is a good fit, I'm sure they'll pay you enough for rent and food, and most likely much to spare. Just my 2 cents, coming from experiences with too many money-hungry skill-lacking (and not wanting to learn more) fresh-outs in the US (world?). Jim Gort "nyves" <n_y_v_e_s@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message news:bt20d3$jni$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr...> hi and happy new year ! > > I am a recently french graduated electrical engineer and i�ll have an > interview in Vienna. The position is for writing software for digital > signal processors. But I don�t know how many k� I should ask as for a > beginner's first job in Austria. I ve got a first idea of 32k� but I'm > not sure. Any hints or advises would be much appreciated. thanks. > > nyves > -- > enlever NOSPAM pour me repondre sur mon courriel >
Reply by ●January 13, 20042004-01-13
Jim Gort a �crit :> nyves: > > If things in Europe are anything like here in the states, worry about the > work and co-workers, as they will either build your skills as a DSP > engineer, or lead you in an example of > slack-as-much-as-you-can-and-still-get-your-pay. If the company is a good > fit, I'm sure they'll pay you enough for rent and food, and most likely much > to spare. > > Just my 2 cents, coming from experiences with too many money-hungry > skill-lacking (and not wanting to learn more) fresh-outs in the US (world?). > > Jim Gort > > "nyves" <n_y_v_e_s@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message > news:bt20d3$jni$1@news-reader1.wanadoo.fr... > >>hi and happy new year ! >> >>I am a recently french graduated electrical engineer and i�ll have an >>interview in Vienna. The position is for writing software for digital >>signal processors. But I don�t know how many k� I should ask as for a >>beginner's first job in Austria. I ve got a first idea of 32k� but I'm >>not sure. Any hints or advises would be much appreciated. thanks. >> >>nyves >>-- >>enlever NOSPAM pour me repondre sur mon courriel >> > > >Jim I totally agree with you. As a young graduate, I am looking for experience and I don't feel salary is important as long as it is fair regarding to my skills. In this case I just wanted to avoid an error of say 10k� for the salary as I don't know much about what's going on, on other countries than France. Regards nyves -- enlever NOSPAM pour me repondre sur mon courriel
Reply by ●January 13, 20042004-01-13
On Thu, 01 Jan 2004 21:36:47 +0100, nyves <n_y_v_e_s@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote:>hi and happy new year ! > >I am a recently french graduated electrical engineer and i�ll have an >interview in Vienna. The position is for writing software for digital >signal processors. But I don�t know how many k� I should ask as for a >beginner's first job in Austria. I ve got a first idea of 32k� but I'm >not sure. Any hints or advises would be much appreciated. thanks. > >nyvesHello nyves, I'm sorry I can't give you any advice on "starting salaries", but I can give you this advice: "Always work hard so that you're worth more than you're being paid, ... because eventually you'll be paid more than you're worth." Good Luck, [-Rick-]
Reply by ●January 14, 20042004-01-14
r.lyons@REMOVE.ieee.org (Rick Lyons) wrote in message news:<400486ea.8201593@news.west.earthlink.net>...> Hello nyves, > I'm sorry I can't give you any advice on "starting > salaries", but I can give you this advice: > > "Always work hard so that you're worth more > than you're being paid, ... because eventually > you'll be paid more than you're worth." > > Good Luck, > [-Rick-]I love the sound of that. What a pity it doesn't work out in the real world. Many highly experienced and capable people are lucky to be employed at all these days. I've always found I was paid the most for doing the least useful work. My brightest moments brought me very little. I wonder if that is a widespread problem :-) Regards, Steve
Reply by ●January 15, 20042004-01-15
On 14 Jan 2004 04:07:05 -0800, steveu@coppice.org (Steve Underwood) wrote:>r.lyons@REMOVE.ieee.org (Rick Lyons) wrote in message news:<400486ea.8201593@news.west.earthlink.net>... >> Hello nyves, >> I'm sorry I can't give you any advice on "starting >> salaries", but I can give you this advice: >> >> "Always work hard so that you're worth more >> than you're being paid, ... because eventually >> you'll be paid more than you're worth." >> >> Good Luck, >> [-Rick-] > >I love the sound of that. What a pity it doesn't work out in the real >world. Many highly experienced and capable people are lucky to be >employed at all these days.Hi Steve, I pretty much agree with you. In my little quote, I forgot to say that if you can get it to work, it takes about 27 years.>I've always found I was paid the most for doing the least useful work. >My brightest moments brought me very little. I wonder if that is a >widespread problem :-) > >Regards, >SteveI think it is widespread. I can say that often your best work as an engineer goes unnoticed by almost everyone. One of my proudest moments as an engineer is only known by one other guy. I won't bore you with the story (unless you'd like to hear it.) [-Rick-]
Reply by ●January 15, 20042004-01-15
Rick Lyons wrote:> ... One of my proudest moments as > an engineer is only known by one other guy. > I won't bore you with the story (unless you'd > like to hear it.) > > [-Rick-]Sure! -- The trouble with doing it right the first time is that nobody knows how hard it was. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
Reply by ●January 15, 20042004-01-15
Do tell! Rick Lyons wrote:> I think it is widespread. I can say that often > your best work as an engineer goes unnoticed > by almost everyone. One of my proudest moments as > an engineer is only known by one other guy. > I won't bore you with the story (unless you'd > like to hear it.) > > [-Rick-]-- --Ray Andraka, P.E. President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc. 401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950 email ray@andraka.com http://www.andraka.com "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, 1759
Reply by ●January 15, 20042004-01-15
r.lyons@REMOVE.ieee.org (Rick Lyons) writes:> One of my proudest moments as > an engineer is only known by one other guy. > I won't bore you with the story (unless you'd > like to hear it.)I would. -- % Randy Yates % "...the answer lies within your soul %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % 'cause no one knows which side %%% 919-577-9882 % the coin will fall." %%%% <yates@ieee.org> % 'Big Wheels', *Out of the Blue*, ELO
Reply by ●January 16, 20042004-01-16
X-No-Archive: Yes steveu@coppice.org (Steve Underwood) wrote:>My brightest moments brought me very little. I wonder if that is a >widespread problem :-)Yes. Or frequently they're recognized by people that have little to no effect on my yearly review or salary. Heh. I guess I'd rather have a job that I enjoy but without a lot of recognition, then vice versa. Of course, it'd be nice to have both. But seeing as how my passion is writing software that is usually buried deep in machines ( i.e. no flashing widgets or displays ), and requires advanced technical knowledge to appreciate, that may just not happen much. Haha. Robert www.gldsp.com ( modify address for return email ) www.numbersusa.com www.americanpatrol.com
