steveu wrote:>>On 7 Jan, 19:43, "westocl" <cweston_@n_o_s_p_a_m.hotmail.com> wrote: >>Somebody once told me that the word 'doctor' >>means 'he who is able to teach' (not 'learn'). > > Doctor does come from the Latin verb for "teach", but nothing in the > acquisition of a doctorate relates to teaching. The sad thing is a high > school teacher needs to obtain a university qualification in actual > teaching. A university teacher only needs a doctorate, and their ability to > get their point across is never tested.... and rarely demonstrated by many.
Lyons needs your advice regarding the IEEE
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dvsarwate <dvsarwate@yahoo.com> wrote: (snip)> The sadder thing is that a high school teacher has to > obtain a university qualification in actual teaching only, > not in the subject to be taught.(snip)> In an otherwise forgettable movie Oh God II, there is > a scene in a grade school class where "new math" is > being taught. The teacher, reading from her notebook, > asks "What is a set?" and a child replies "A set is a > collection of objects." The teacher consults her > notebook, and looks up, saying "Correct." Some of > you may have come through the "new math" curriculum > which failed not because the children couldn't understand > it but because the teachers couldn't....And in more than just "new math." It is at least true in old math, and also science, and probably worse at lower grade levels. (There is no test to see which teachers know how to teach addition, it is just assumed. For high school, one might actually want to select teachers who actually know high school math.) Some years ago, as part of a science upgrade in the local schools there was a program for parents (optional) and teachers (required) to learn about the new program. We went to one, and were in a group that included a music teacher, trying out a lesson on sound. The music teacher didn't seem to have any interest in even trying to learn about the science of sound, the basis for music! It is likely also a problem in language arts (what we used to call English class), and history class, but not so easy to measure. (I suppose if the teachers had to take the AP test in their subject, we would have a better idea who should be teaching. The unions are too strong for that, though.) -- glen
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On 1/8/2012 5:22 PM, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:> dvsarwate<dvsarwate@yahoo.com> wrote: > > (snip) >> The sadder thing is that a high school teacher has to >> obtain a university qualification in actual teaching only, >> not in the subject to be taught. > > (snip) >> In an otherwise forgettable movie Oh God II, there is >> a scene in a grade school class where "new math" is >> being taught. The teacher, reading from her notebook, >> asks "What is a set?" and a child replies "A set is a >> collection of objects." The teacher consults her >> notebook, and looks up, saying "Correct." Some of >> you may have come through the "new math" curriculum >> which failed not because the children couldn't understand >> it but because the teachers couldn't.... > > And in more than just "new math." > > It is at least true in old math, and also science, and probably > worse at lower grade levels. (There is no test to see which teachers > know how to teach addition, it is just assumed. For high school, one > might actually want to select teachers who actually know high school > math.)In New York when I lived there and now in New Jersey, high- anf middle school teachers have to qualify in the coursed they are hired to teach. (Sort of. They can be reassigned.)> Some years ago, as part of a science upgrade in the local schools there > was a program for parents (optional) and teachers (required) to learn > about the new program. We went to one, and were in a group that included > a music teacher, trying out a lesson on sound. The music teacher didn't > seem to have any interest in even trying to learn about the science > of sound, the basis for music!The science of sound has no more to do with music than the science of ink compounding has to do with writing. The time is long past when visual artists had to make their own paints.> It is likely also a problem in language arts (what we used to call > English class), and history class, but not so easy to measure. > (I suppose if the teachers had to take the AP test in their subject, > we would have a better idea who should be teaching. The unions are > too strong for that, though.)Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
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Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote: (snip, I wrote)>> Some years ago, as part of a science upgrade in the local schools there >> was a program for parents (optional) and teachers (required) to learn >> about the new program. We went to one, and were in a group that included >> a music teacher, trying out a lesson on sound. The music teacher didn't >> seem to have any interest in even trying to learn about the science >> of sound, the basis for music!> The science of sound has no more to do with music than the science of > ink compounding has to do with writing. The time is long past when > visual artists had to make their own paints.Well, this is elementary school science, so it isn't that deep. It was some years ago, so I don't remember the details by now. It might have had to do with hitting metal bars and noticing which ones had a higher, and which a lower frequency (tone). Even if visual artists don't make their own paint, they should at least know the science of color and light at the elementary school level! I agree that they don't need to know Maxwell's equations or quantum theory of light, though. -- glen
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On 8 Jan, 23:32, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:> On 1/8/2012 5:22 PM, glen herrmannsfeldt wrote:> > Some years ago, as part of a science upgrade in the local schools there > > was a program for parents (optional) and teachers (required) to learn > > about the new program. We went to one, and were in a group that included > > a music teacher, trying out a lesson on sound. The music teacher didn't > > seem to have any interest in even trying to learn about the science > > of sound, the basis for music! > > The science of sound has no more to do with music than the science of > ink compounding has to do with writing.While that is true, the scientific aspects of music certainly has to do with the science of sound: - Why do two instruments (e.g. trumpet and violin) that play the same tone sound differently? - Why is it possible to tune a guitar? - Why do the strings of the gituar sound at different tones? - Why is it possible to play tunes on a trumpet with no valves? - Why can't one play any tone on such a trumpet? - Under what conditions is it possible to play (almost) any tune on such a trumpet? And so on. Rune
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On 06 Jan 2012 14:12:42 GMT, Allan Herriman <allanherriman@hotmail.com> wrote:>On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:05:37 -0800, Rick Lyons wrote: > >> >> It's because of that question that I now ask for advice from you guys >> here on comp.dsp. What would you suggest to the IEEE with regard to how >> they could be of more value to you? What services do you think the IEEE >> should provide to guys like us? > >They could relax their copyright stance. Example, there are VHDL >packages that were developed by the user community as part of a >standardisation effort. Then the thing got published as an IEEE standard >and the IEEE put their restrictive copyright conditions on it. They >didn't even write any of it, FFS. Standardisation is meant to help >designers, but the IEEE's actions do the opposite. > >AllanHello Alan, can you tell me what '"FFS" means? Thanks, [-Rick-]
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On Jan 8, 8:39�pm, Rick Lyons <R.Lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org> wrote:> On 06 Jan 2012 14:12:42 GMT, Allan Herriman > > > > > > > > > > <allanherri...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >On Fri, 06 Jan 2012 04:05:37 -0800, Rick Lyons wrote: > > >> It's because of that question that I now ask for advice from you guys > >> here on comp.dsp. �What would you suggest to the IEEE with regard to how > >> they could be of more value to you? �What services do you think the IEEE > >> should provide to guys like us? > > >They could relax their copyright stance. �Example, there are VHDL > >packages that were developed by the user community as part of a > >standardisation effort. �Then the thing got published as an IEEE standard > >and the IEEE put their restrictive copyright conditions on it. �They > >didn't even write any of it, FFS. �Standardisation is meant to help > >designers, but the IEEE's actions do the opposite. > > >Allan > > Hello Alan, > � can you tell me what '"FFS" means? > > Thanks, > [-Rick-]friends for sever?
Reply by ●January 8, 20122012-01-08
YOU GUYS ROCK!!!
I was hopin' you'd volunteer some useful comments
but, Wow, you really 'came through'.
What a terrific set of comments/suggestions for
the IEEE officers.
Here's what I'll do:
[1] Compile your comments under similar categories, such as:
Cost of Membership
Make Access to IEEE Papers More Affordable
How Papers Are Written
Make Publishing Affordable
Copyrights
Refereeing Process
etc.
[2] Add a few comments of my own,
[3] Not change your words, that is unless I encounter
some particularly vicious swear words. I'll have to
think of replacement text for the term "WTF." Don't worry,
I'll think of something. Perhaps, I'll replace "WTF" with
"my goodness." The again, maybe I should just leave
the "WTF" phrase as is.
[4] Not bother forwarding the comments regarding
Isaac Newton, planetary motion, and ellipses.
[5] Forward our comments to the IEEE Sig. Proc. Society's
president and tell him from where the comments
came (i.e., comp.dsp).
Thanks for your all your posts!
[-Rick-]
Reply by ●January 9, 20122012-01-09
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 19:29:38 -0800, Rick Lyons wrote:> YOU GUYS ROCK!!! > > I was hopin' you'd volunteer some useful comments but, Wow, you really > 'came through'. > What a terrific set of comments/suggestions for the IEEE officers. > > Here's what I'll do: > > [1] Compile your comments under similar categories, such as: > Cost of Membership > Make Access to IEEE Papers More Affordable How Papers Are Written > Make Publishing Affordable > Copyrights > Refereeing Process > etc. > > [2] Add a few comments of my own, > [3] Not change your words, that is unless I encounter some particularly > vicious swear words. I'll have to think of replacement text for the > term "WTF." Don't worry, I'll think of something. Perhaps, I'll replace > "WTF" with "my goodness." The again, maybe I should just leave the > "WTF" phrase as is. > [4] Not bother forwarding the comments regarding Isaac Newton, planetary > motion, and ellipses. [5] Forward our comments to the IEEE Sig. Proc. > Society's president and tell him from where the comments came (i.e., > comp.dsp). > > Thanks for your all your posts! > [-Rick-]Consider warning him about the informal language, and sending a link to the thread on dsprelated.com. Then he can see for himself. -- Tim Wescott Control system and signal processing consulting www.wescottdesign.com
Reply by ●January 9, 20122012-01-09
On Jan 8, 10:29�pm, Rick Lyons <R.Lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org> wrote:> YOU GUYS ROCK!!! > > I was hopin' you'd volunteer some useful comments > but, Wow, you really 'came through'. > What a terrific set of comments/suggestions for > the IEEE officers. > > Here's what I'll do: > > [1] Compile your comments under similar categories, such as: > � � �Cost of Membership > � � �Make Access to IEEE Papers More Affordable > � � �How Papers Are Written > � � �Make Publishing Affordable > � � �Copyrights > � � �Refereeing Process > � � �etc. > > [2] Add a few comments of my own, > [3] Not change your words, that is unless I encounter > some particularly vicious swear words. �I'll have to > think of replacement text for the term "WTF." �Don't worry, > I'll think of something. Perhaps, I'll replace "WTF" with > "my goodness." �The again, maybe I should just leave > the "WTF" phrase as is. > [4] Not bother forwarding the comments regarding > Isaac Newton, planetary motion, and ellipses. > [5] Forward our comments to the IEEE Sig. Proc. Society's > president and tell him from where the comments > came (i.e., comp.dsp). > > Thanks for your all your posts! > [-Rick-]Hi Rick, In terms of the access to papers it would be useful to have a preview of the first couple of pages, before paying $35 for a paper that is crap. If the cost was lowered then this isn't so much of an issue. I have seen a few other journals do this. Another comment is to get some of the IEEE people to cooperate with the guys runnig the bibliographic database stuff so that translators are easily available e.g. Zotero, Endnote. Right now every time the website changes someone has to reverse engineer a translator for it. Cheers, David
