https://springerlink3.metapress.com/content/048j81635412636v/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.pdf&sid=bif3ix3hbmktapj4ideervuf&sh=www.springerlink.com 35 Euro per paper!!
Speaking of charges for papers
Started by ●January 30, 2012
Reply by ●January 30, 20122012-01-30
On 1/29/12 11:10 PM, HardySpicer wrote:> https://springerlink3.metapress.com/content/048j81635412636v/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.pdf&sid=bif3ix3hbmktapj4ideervuf&sh=www.springerlink.com > > 35 Euro per paper!!and "USD 34.95" i used to think that a Euro was more valuable than a US Dollar. evidently the dollar has slightly more value. i think that authors should revolt. one way to do that is too post a version of the paper (that is not verbatim copied from the version in the journal) on the author's institutional or commercial web site. can someone tell me what "H∞ Filtering" or "H-infinity Filtering" is? -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Reply by ●January 30, 20122012-01-30
robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: (snip)> and "USD 34.95"(snip)> i think that authors should revolt. one way to do that is too post a > version of the paper (that is not verbatim copied from the version in > the journal) on the author's institutional or commercial web site.Recently, if I understand it right, the APS changed their rules to allow authors to keep the copyright, at least enough to post papers on their own web site. Maybe the IEEE should also do that? If you change it, then there is the question of how different it needs to be. -- glen
Reply by ●January 30, 20122012-01-30
On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 06:59:46 +0000 (UTC), glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:>robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> wrote: > >(snip) >> and "USD 34.95" > >(snip) >> i think that authors should revolt. one way to do that is too post a >> version of the paper (that is not verbatim copied from the version in >> the journal) on the author's institutional or commercial web site. > >Recently, if I understand it right, the APS changed their rules >to allow authors to keep the copyright, at least enough to post papers >on their own web site. > >Maybe the IEEE should also do that? > >If you change it, then there is the question of how different it >needs to be. > >-- glenHi glen, when I worked for the IEEE Sig.Proc. magazine each article author signed a Copyright Form transferring the article's copyright to the IEEE. However, an author was permitted to distribute hardcopy and electronic copies of the article to whomever he wished. And the author was also permitted to have a copy of the paper on his personal web site or on the web site of his employer. The only restriction of those hardcopy and electronic copies was that there must be a notice at the bottom of the first page of the article stating that the copyright is owned by the IEEE. It's a darn shame that it's so expensive to obtain copies of IEEE papers. [-Rick-]
Reply by ●January 30, 20122012-01-30
Rick Lyons <R.Lyons@_bogus_ieee.org> wrote: (snip)> It's a darn shame that it's so expensive to obtain > copies of IEEE papers.There used to be a system where authors (usually their institution) got some number of copies of each article. Then people could mail in and ask for one. That may have been more common for people from poor countries that couldn't afford subscriptions. Also, it provided a way to keep track of interest in the paper. With electronic form available, I suspect that is more rare. -- glen
Reply by ●January 30, 20122012-01-30
robert bristow-johnson wrote:> On 1/29/12 11:10 PM, HardySpicer wrote: >> https://springerlink3.metapress.com/content/048j81635412636v/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.pdf&sid=bif3ix3hbmktapj4ideervuf&sh=www.springerlink.com >><snip>> can someone tell me what "H? Filtering" or "H-infinity Filtering" is?If I had $34.95 I could :)
Reply by ●January 30, 20122012-01-30
On Jan 29, 9:39 pm, robert bristow-johnson <r...@audioimagination.com> wrote:>... > can someone tell me what "H∞ Filtering" or "H-infinity Filtering" is? > ...Sure, and so can google. Dale B. Dalrymple
Reply by ●January 31, 20122012-01-31
On 1/29/2012 9:39 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote:> On 1/29/12 11:10 PM, HardySpicer wrote: >> https://springerlink3.metapress.com/content/048j81635412636v/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.pdf&sid=bif3ix3hbmktapj4ideervuf&sh=www.springerlink.com> > can someone tell me what "H∞ Filtering" or "H-infinity Filtering" is? >r b-j, It alludes to H-infinity filter *design* .. blah, blah, blah. Mimimax? Chebyshev? Remez objective? What P-M uses? i.e. if the error weighting is infinite then the peaks become equal or equal under some weighting function. Or, were you kidding? Fred
Reply by ●February 1, 20122012-02-01
On Jan 29, 10:59=A0pm, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:>... > > Recently, if I understand it right, the APS changed their rules > to allow authors to keep the copyright, at least enough to post papers > on their own web site. > > Maybe the IEEE should also do that? > ...The IEEE already does this. But why do you bring up the IEEE in this thread where Hardy has given an example of a commercial journal article price? It is nice to finally see an example of a commercial publisher to see where they stand with regard to professional organizations. By the way, the terms for copyright in this journal are: "Copyright transfer Authors will be asked to transfer copyright of the article to the Publisher (or grant the Publisher exclusive publication and dissemination rights). This will ensure the widest possible protection and dissemination of information under copyright laws. Open Choice articles do not require transfer of copyright as the copyright remains with the author. In opting for open access, the author(s) agree to publish the article under the Creative Commons Attribution License." So, apparently, the -author- chose not to make the "Open Choice" election on this article. Other publisher details are available at: http://www.springer.com/birkhause= r/engineering/journal/34 Dale B. Dalrymple
Reply by ●February 1, 20122012-02-01
On 1/31/12 9:56 PM, Fred Marshall wrote:> On 1/29/2012 9:39 PM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: >> On 1/29/12 11:10 PM, HardySpicer wrote: >>> https://springerlink3.metapress.com/content/048j81635412636v/resource-secured/?target=fulltext.pdf&sid=bif3ix3hbmktapj4ideervuf&sh=www.springerlink.com >>> > >> >> can someone tell me what "H∞ Filtering" or "H-infinity Filtering" is? >> > > r b-j, > > It alludes to H-infinity filter *design* .. blah, blah, blah. > > Mimimax? Chebyshev? Remez objective? > > What P-M uses? > > i.e. if the error weighting is infinite then the peaks become equal or > equal under some weighting function. > > Or, were you kidding?no, i wasn't kidding. i thought it might have something to do with the L-infinity norm, and from what you say here, it appears it does. i had previously heard of (or read of) "L-infinity" (as opposed to the L1 or L2 norm) but not "H-infinity". i keep learning new things and forgetting other things. -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
