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RIP Jim Marshall
Started by ●April 5, 2012
Reply by ●April 5, 20122012-04-05
Jerry Avins wrote:> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/04/05/international/i060752D77.DTL&tsp=1 > > > JerryIf Britain had not been protectionist, we'd never have heard of him. -- Les Cargill
Reply by ●April 6, 20122012-04-06
>Jerry Avins wrote: >>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/04/05/international/i060752D77.DTL&tsp=1>> >> >> Jerry > > >If Britain had not been protectionist, we'd never have heard of him. > >-- >Les Cargill >Can you explain that? Steve
Reply by ●April 6, 20122012-04-06
Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> writes:> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/04/05/international/i060752D77.DTL&tsp=1Thanks for the news, Jerry - I hadn't heard. "Marshall was proud that he resisted suggestions that he shift all production outside of England to save costs." Excellent! Seems like he was one of Britain's finest! By the way, my old high-school rock band guitarist Matt Dillon (now CEO of Dillon Production out of Atlanta, http://www.dillofnproduction.com/aboutus.html used one at the time. I had a Leslie 910 with a combined output of 100 watts. He (and the rest of the band) played so loud at times that I could be completely saturating (overdriving) that Leslie and not even be heard! -- Randy Yates DSP/Firmware Engineer 919-577-9882 (H) 919-720-2916 (C)
Reply by ●April 6, 20122012-04-06
steveu wrote:>> Jerry Avins wrote: >>> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/04/05/international/i060752D77.DTL&tsp=1 >>> >>> >>> Jerry >> >> >> If Britain had not been protectionist, we'd never have heard of him. >> >> -- >> Les Cargill >> > > Can you explain that? > > SteveYou could not import stuff into Britain easily during the late '50s and early '60s. Marshall's original amp was a clone of the Fender '59 Bassman. Had real Bassamn amps been available, there'd have been much less demand for marshall amps. -- Les Cargill
Reply by ●April 7, 20122012-04-07
>steveu wrote: >>> Jerry Avins wrote: >>>> >>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/04/05/international/i060752D77.DTL&tsp=1>>>> >>>> >>>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> If Britain had not been protectionist, we'd never have heard of him. >>> >>> -- >>> Les Cargill >>> >> >> Can you explain that? >> >> Steve > >You could not import stuff into Britain easily during the late '50s and >early '60s. Marshall's original amp was a clone of the Fender '59 >Bassman. Had real Bassamn amps been available, there'd have been much >less demand for marshall amps. > >-- >Les CargillIf protectionism was the key driver, why did most British guitarists plug a Fender or Gibson into their Marshall amps? Guitars were really pricy items in those days. Regards, Steve
Reply by ●April 7, 20122012-04-07
steveu wrote:>> steveu wrote: >>>> Jerry Avins wrote: >>>>> >>> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/04/05/international/i060752D77.DTL&tsp=1 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jerry >>>> >>>> >>>> If Britain had not been protectionist, we'd never have heard of him. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Les Cargill >>>> >>> >>> Can you explain that? >>> >>> Steve >> >> You could not import stuff into Britain easily during the late '50s and >> early '60s. Marshall's original amp was a clone of the Fender '59 >> Bassman. Had real Bassamn amps been available, there'd have been much >> less demand for marshall amps. >> >> -- >> Les Cargill > > If protectionism was the key driver, why did most British guitarists plug a > Fender or Gibson into their Marshall amps? Guitars were really pricy items > in those days. >I imagine "why" might be *because* they were hard to come by. I am not 100% sure what the numbers were, but a Fender of Gibson was harder to come by, compared to Rickenbackers and such. I don't recall any prominent marques of British origin, but I'm sure there were some - it's just not something we hear a lot about in the States. After the Beatles, people would buy them when touring in the States and then carry them home. Even then, they were not numerous. And I'm sure over time enough trickled in that this became less of an issue.> Regards, > Steve >-- Les Cargill
Reply by ●April 8, 20122012-04-08
On Apr 6, 10:32�am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote: > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2012/04/05/internati... > > Jerry > -- > Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. > �����������������������������������������������������������������������The beauty of guitar amps is that the more distortion the better!
Reply by ●April 8, 20122012-04-08
On 4/8/12 3:18 PM, HardySpicer wrote:> > The beauty of guitar amps is that the more distortion the better!i don't think it's as simple as that. Marshall put out some solid-state amps in the 70s and 80s that sounded like canine feces. because it has been difficult to emulate exactly what the various tubes are doing (and other parts, like output transformers with hysteresis), it has been difficult to get the kinda soft distortion morphing into the wonderful power chord distortion that we could get from tube amps from Marshall or other manufacturers (like the Fender Twin Reverb or the Mesa Boogie). it gets very complicated when the distortion is applied to chords with non-harmonic notes, because then the intermodulation distortion gets messy. play a nicely tuned major chord and it comes out okay, but play a minor chord and it comes out muddy. even when distortion is what you're looking for, not all distortions are equal and it's such a multi-dimensional problem (with both non-linear and non-memoryless components; Volterra series anyone?) that it's hard to get something good without experimentation, alchemy, and luck. -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Reply by ●April 8, 20122012-04-08
On 4/8/12 3:18 PM, HardySpicer wrote:> > The beauty of guitar amps is that the more distortion the better!i don't think it's as simple as that. Marshall put out some solid-state amps in the 70s and 80s that sounded like canine feces. because it has been difficult to emulate exactly what the various tubes are doing (and other parts, like output transformers with hysteresis), it has been difficult to get the kinda soft distortion morphing into the wonderful power chord distortion that we could get from tube amps from Marshall or other manufacturers (like the Fender Twin Reverb or the Mesa Boogie). it gets very complicated when the distortion is applied to chords with non-harmonic notes, because then the intermodulation distortion gets messy. play a nicely tuned major chord and it comes out okay, but play a minor chord and it comes out muddy. even when distortion is what you're looking for, not all distortions are equal and it's such a multi-dimensional problem (with both non-linear and non-memoryless components; Volterra series anyone?) that it's hard to get something good without experimentation, alchemy, and luck. -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
