Hello, I'm looking to get into DSP/embedded programming practically. I was looking at these low cost development kits: TI MSP430 USB Stick Development Tool http://www.ti.com/tool/ez430-f2013#119 STMicro STM32VL DISCOVERY http://www.st.com/internet/evalboard/product/250863.jsp Am I right in thinking that the above two are more for embedded programming development rather than DSP? Thanks.
Which starter kit?
Started by ●October 6, 2012
Reply by ●October 6, 20122012-10-06
"Waves" <61140@dsprelated> wrote in message news:ZO-dnd68uYQNou3NnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com...> Hello, > > I'm looking to get into DSP/embedded programming practically.Do not look. Get into it.> I was looking at these low cost development kits: > TI MSP430 USB Stick Development Tool > http://www.ti.com/tool/ez430-f2013#119 > STMicro STM32VL DISCOVERY > http://www.st.com/internet/evalboard/product/250863.jspI am learning to drive a car. Which car is better: Dodge Neon or Geo Prizm ?> Am I right in thinking that the above two are more for embedded > programming > development rather than DSP?DSP is done with pencil and paper. Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Consultant www.abvolt.com
Reply by ●October 6, 20122012-10-06
> >"Waves" <61140@dsprelated> wrote in message >news:ZO-dnd68uYQNou3NnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com... >> Hello, >> >> I'm looking to get into DSP/embedded programming practically. > >Do not look. Get into it. > >> I was looking at these low cost development kits: >> TI MSP430 USB Stick Development Tool >> http://www.ti.com/tool/ez430-f2013#119 >> STMicro STM32VL DISCOVERY >> http://www.st.com/internet/evalboard/product/250863.jsp > >I am learning to drive a car. Which car is better: Dodge Neon or Geo Prizm?> >> Am I right in thinking that the above two are more for embedded >> programming >> development rather than DSP? > >DSP is done with pencil and paper. > >Vladimir Vassilevsky >DSP and Mixed Signal Consultant >www.abvolt.com > > > >&Vladimir Vassilevsky - Thanks for your less than helpful comments! As it happens, I am already studying a postgraduate degree course which includes DSP theory. I would like to implement some of the theory into practice, hence my question. Just because you may *think* you know everything, please refrain from sarcastic comments. If you have nothing useful to add, don't reply at all.
Reply by ●October 6, 20122012-10-06
"Waves" <61140@dsprelated> wrote in message news:JdudnTGGW-vnJu3NnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@giganews.com...> > >>"Waves" <61140@dsprelated> wrote in message >>news:ZO-dnd68uYQNou3NnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm looking to get into DSP/embedded programming practically. >> >>Do not look. Get into it. >> >>> I was looking at these low cost development kits: >>> TI MSP430 USB Stick Development Tool >>> http://www.ti.com/tool/ez430-f2013#119 >>> STMicro STM32VL DISCOVERY >>> http://www.st.com/internet/evalboard/product/250863.jsp >> >>I am learning to drive a car. Which car is better: Dodge Neon or Geo Prizm > ? >> >>> Am I right in thinking that the above two are more for embedded >>> programming >>> development rather than DSP? >> >>DSP is done with pencil and paper. >> >>Vladimir Vassilevsky >>DSP and Mixed Signal Consultant >>www.abvolt.com >> >> >> >> > > &Vladimir Vassilevsky - Thanks for your less than helpful comments! > > As it happens, I am already studying a postgraduate degree course which > includes DSP theory. > > I would like to implement some of the theory into practice, hence my > question. > > Just because you may *think* you know everything, please refrain from > sarcastic comments. > > If you have nothing useful to add, don't reply at all.
Reply by ●October 6, 20122012-10-06
Waves wrote:> > > &Vladimir Vassilevsky - Thanks for your less than helpful comments! > > As it happens, I am already studying a postgraduate degree course which > includes DSP theory. > > I would like to implement some of the theory into practice, hence my > question. > > Just because you may *think* you know everything, please refrain from > sarcastic comments. > > If you have nothing useful to add, don't reply at all. >I see you've our local "diplomat of the year". BTW, he ocassional says something worth while.
Reply by ●October 6, 20122012-10-06
don't sweat Vlad. he likes to pick on noobs. even post-grad-school. anyway, if you want an outboard unit to do real-time DSP on signals, what kinda signals? it it's really high speed, you might want to get something with an ADI Blackfin in it. if it's audio, i'll bet there is some evaluation board for various SHArCs and also for the Sigma processors. but you could get *anything* that has a processor, wouldn't have to be a "DSP" - could be an ARM or something, and with converters that are fast enough and good enough for your signal application. some embedded processors are for washing machines and probably not gonna be fast enough to do anything with DSP. if you do DSP with a non-DSP CPU, you might be able to code your algorithms in C and probably the extra things you have to worry about is maintaining word width, saturation and rounding, and circular or modulo addressing. and doing fixed-point with integer types or worrying about what single-precision floating point might do to you. floating point is no panacea but sometimes makes some things easier. but i dunno anything about those two product. -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Reply by ●October 7, 20122012-10-07
On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:26:24 -0500, "Waves" <61140@dsprelated> wrote:>Hello, > >I'm looking to get into DSP/embedded programming practically.Me too. There seems to be no one who can do the math and the hardware that is willing to share. I have long suspected that my personal IQ is below expectations for problems of this nature but my motivation and tenacity have got me this far... de John W8CCW ...> >I was looking at these low cost development kits: > >TI MSP430 USB Stick Development Tool >http://www.ti.com/tool/ez430-f2013#119 > >STMicro STM32VL DISCOVERY >http://www.st.com/internet/evalboard/product/250863.jsp > >Am I right in thinking that the above two are more for embedded programming >development rather than DSP? > >Thanks. >John Ferrell W8CCW
Reply by ●October 7, 20122012-10-07
On 10/6/12 11:29 PM, John Ferrell wrote:> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:26:24 -0500, "Waves"<61140@dsprelated> wrote: > >> >> I'm looking to get into DSP/embedded programming practically. > Me too. There seems to be no one who can do the math and the hardware > that is willing to share. I have long suspected that my personal IQ > is below expectations for problems of this nature but my motivation > and tenacity have got me this far... > de John W8CCW ... >gee, i thought hams had some DIY standard thingie. they used to use the Mot 56K just like audio geeks did. dunno what hams use now. (long ago, like the '60s, i used to be WB0CCA. but of course never had ham and DSP on the same plate.) -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
Reply by ●October 7, 20122012-10-07
robert bristow-johnson wrote:> On 10/6/12 11:29 PM, John Ferrell wrote: >> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 09:26:24 -0500, "Waves"<61140@dsprelated> wrote: >> >>> >>> I'm looking to get into DSP/embedded programming practically. >> Me too. There seems to be no one who can do the math and the hardware >> that is willing to share. I have long suspected that my personal IQ >> is below expectations for problems of this nature but my motivation >> and tenacity have got me this far... >> de John W8CCW ... >> > > gee, i thought hams had some DIY standard thingie. they used to use the > Mot 56K just like audio geeks did. dunno what hams use now. > > (long ago, like the '60s, i used to be WB0CCA. but of course never had > ham and DSP on the same plate.) >DRgoldaMNit and signup prevents me from posting a link, but let it be heretofore known that Ricky Scaggs has recorded a song which is a pean to the indestructibility of ham titled "You Can't Hurt Ham." you can't find it anywhere because it's locked down like a gol-durn prisoner who was convicted of a murder (s)he did not commit but I heered it on the radio so it must be true. I cannot imagine how a DSP would infect it. But being naive to the ways of infection.... -- Les Cargill
Reply by ●October 7, 20122012-10-07
>> >>"Waves" <61140@dsprelated> wrote in message >>news:ZO-dnd68uYQNou3NnZ2dnUVZ_smdnZ2d@giganews.com... >>> Hello, >>> >>> I'm looking to get into DSP/embedded programming practically. >> >>Do not look. Get into it. >> >>> I was looking at these low cost development kits: >>> TI MSP430 USB Stick Development Tool >>> http://www.ti.com/tool/ez430-f2013#119 >>> STMicro STM32VL DISCOVERY >>> http://www.st.com/internet/evalboard/product/250863.jsp >> >>I am learning to drive a car. Which car is better: Dodge Neon or GeoPrizm>? >> >>> Am I right in thinking that the above two are more for embedded >>> programming >>> development rather than DSP? >> >>DSP is done with pencil and paper. >> >>Vladimir Vassilevsky >>DSP and Mixed Signal Consultant >>www.abvolt.com >> >> >> >> > >&Vladimir Vassilevsky - Thanks for your less than helpful comments! > >As it happens, I am already studying a postgraduate degree course which >includes DSP theory. > >I would like to implement some of the theory into practice, hence my >question. > >Just because you may *think* you know everything, please refrain from >sarcastic comments. > >If you have nothing useful to add, don't reply at all.I thought Vlads comments were unusually helpful. I do a lot of DSP with an MSP430, but I deal with a lot of *very* slow signals. The MSP430 is great if that's what you want to do, and do with very low power consumption. If your signals are a bit faster the MSP430 will be useless to you. The STM32 lets you go a bit faster. Its used a lot for digital control loops in things like washing machine motors, but it runs out of steam for complex motor control. You can do some simple audio processing with it, and that's about it. As Vlad said, DSP is something you do with pencil and paper, or equivalent computerised tools. MSP430s, Cortex M3/M4s, and so on are just ways to implement the signal processing algorithms you devise. Steve
