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Sick of sample-based "synthesis"!

Started by Radium October 16, 2003
Sample-based synths are stale and rigid. Any sound effect in action
will noticeably quantize and alias the music. They are a hell an
earsore for life-wanting instruments such as synth pads and synth fx.
The tone of synth pads are generated on FM synths! No wonder pads
sound so crappy in samplers.

A *real* digital (not analog) FM/modelling synth is a dream! It should
be hard-coded and able to do its own processing and memory.


Whatever happened to the fresh OPL3 stereo hardware synth present in
obsolete ISA boards?? Most PCI cards implenting OPL3 and clones of
that synth. Clones = cheats!
Radium wrote:

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> > A *real* digital (not analog) FM/modelling synth is a dream! It should > be hard-coded and able to do its own processing and memory. >
... Clue me in, Bub. How do you hard code an analog synth? Why does it need memory? Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
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Most PCI card implementing OPL3 *are* clones of that synth.


I Previously Wrote:
> Most PCI cards implenting OPL3 and clones of > that synth.
Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<bmmec7$ei1$2@bob.news.rcn.net>...
> Radium wrote: > > ... > > > > A *real* digital (not analog) FM/modelling synth is a dream! It should > > be hard-coded and able to do its own processing and memory. > > > ... > > Clue me in, Bub. How do you hard code an analog synth?
Notice I mentioned that a *digital* hardware synth would be my cup of tea. Never would I recommend analog synths - they are highly vulnerable to RFI, EMI, and other electronic disruptions.
> Why does it need > memory?
Okay I'm probably wrong on this one.
> Jerry
Radium wrote:
> > Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<bmmec7$ei1$2@bob.news.rcn.net>... > > Radium wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > A *real* digital (not analog) FM/modelling synth is a dream! It should > > > be hard-coded and able to do its own processing and memory. > > > > > ... > > > > Clue me in, Bub. How do you hard code an analog synth? > > Notice I mentioned that a *digital* hardware synth would be my cup of > tea. Never would I recommend analog synths - they are highly > vulnerable to RFI, EMI, and other electronic disruptions. > > > Why does it need > > memory? > > Okay I'm probably wrong on this one. > > > Jerry
Digital isn't FM and vice versa. DX-7s and later revisions of DX-7s are not hard to find. There exist also VSTi which claim to do FM synthesis. -- Les Cargill
On Thu, 15 Oct 2003, Radium wrote:

> Sample-based synths are stale and rigid. Any sound effect in action > will noticeably quantize and alias the music. They are a hell an > earsore for life-wanting instruments such as synth pads and synth fx. > The tone of synth pads are generated on FM synths! No wonder pads > sound so crappy in samplers.
You should try Absynth (software synthesizer). It is especially good for rich pads. It is not strictly a FM synthesizer.
> Whatever happened to the fresh OPL3 stereo hardware synth present in > obsolete ISA boards?? Most PCI cards implenting OPL3 and clones of > that synth. Clones = cheats!
Probably the manufacturers reasoned that it was better to do their own OPL2/OPL3 emulation than to commit theirselves to buy the chips from Yamaha. Was this because of economical reasons or because Yamaha, too, went on to soundcard business, I don't know. Quite accurate emulation of these synthesizer cores exists in MAME (Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator). -olli
OPL3 sounds fresh??? Is there a troll of the year competition that I wasn't
aware of?

By the way, even non-sampled digital sound generators are subject to
aliasing (whether they be analogue modelling, or FM or whatever...)

What happened to the OPL3 is that no-one wanted one anymore. I would love to
hear one of these great OPL3 pads you mention. I'll even sample it (ha ha).

Ryan

P.S. If you're into retro-kitsch you may like the QuadraSID
(http://www.refx.net/pro_QuadraSID.htm?lang=eng)


 R> Notice I mentioned that a *digital* hardware synth would be my cup of
 R> tea. Never would I recommend analog synths - they are highly
 R> vulnerable to RFI, EMI, and other electronic disruptions.

Yes. Otherwise those men from the government in the 3rd row might start
jamming your show again.

For a quick and nasty shot of humour, try a Google search for the author
glucegen@excite.com

The "BLACK SOUND" thread on sci.physics is a good place to start . . .

The sad part is that I think these posts are earnest!

Ryan



And, interestingly enough, they start in November 2002 with a post to
sci.med describing a blow to the head . . .


Radium wrote:
> A *real* digital (not analog) FM/modelling synth is a dream! It should > be hard-coded and able to do its own processing and memory.
Have you looked at the Nord Modular from Clavia? http://www.clavia.se/nordmodular/index.htm There are several models, but the basic idea is to have anywhere from one to eight dedicated DSPs doing emulation of old-style modular analog synthesizers while allowing advanced techniques that only a DSP chip can do. FM and physical modelling are quite doable on these units, and the patch editor (runs on a Windows PC, connects through a pair of dedicated MIDI cables) is set up to look like a virtual analog modular synth, complete with virtual patch cables. -- Dave Tweed