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VDSP is dead

Started by Vladimir Vassilevsky February 20, 2013
According to the information from ADI website, Visual DSP exists no longer. 
Crosscore is official successor, albeit not quite compatible.
Does this imply near termination of BlackFin and Sharc product lines? Is 
this a sign that entire ADI goes south?

Vladimir Vassilevsky
DSP and Mixed Signal Consultant
www.abvolt.com


Vlad,

What do you mean by "quite compatible" ?

I don't think it implies termination of Blackfin or SHARC product lines. 

I look forward to the day where you can build, debug and profile code for Blackfin/SHARC from Visual Studio. VDSP is not a very good tool in my 
opinion.
Hi Vlad,

I can assure you that VisualDSP++ still exists and will continue to be supported into the foreseeable future.  What ADI website is saying otherwise?  Here are the product pages for our DSP development environments:

   VisualDSP++:  www.analog.com/visualdsp
   CrossCore Embedded Studio: www.analog.com/cces

Let me also comment that there are no plans to terminate the BlackFin and SHARC product lines and that ADI is in robust health.

Cheers,

Jack Buckley
Product Manager, Software & Tools Engineering
Processor & DSP Core Technology Group
Analog Devices, Inc.
"Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote in
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> According to the information from ADI website, Visual DSP exists no > longer. Crosscore is official successor, albeit not quite compatible. > Does this imply near termination of BlackFin and Sharc product lines? Is > this a sign that entire ADI goes south? > > Vladimir Vassilevsky > DSP and Mixed Signal Consultant > www.abvolt.com > >
The CrossCore Studio tools are Eclipse based. ADI is moving in this direction because it costs a lot of money to maintain a proprietary platform and because like it or not, Eclipse is increasingly universal. The tools pricing model has changed significantly. Visual DSP cost $3500 each for Sharc and Blackfin. CrossCore is $1000 and supports both platforms. As expensive as VDSP could be, you only paid in once. Updates were free. SHARC & Blackfin are definitely not going away. I follow the SHARC product line very closely and I know the roadmap. ADI has been continuously growing the Blackfin line as well. These lines are profitable. IMHO, ADI & TI are really the only serious players in general purpose DSP processor space. Most of the rest are trying to grab some market share with various ARM spins. Al Clark www.danvillesignal.com
wow, Vlad, you got somebuddy's attension.

On 2/20/13 5:51 PM, Jack Buckley wrote:
> Hi Vlad, > > I can assure you that VisualDSP++ still exists and will continue to be supported into the foreseeable future. What ADI website is saying otherwise? Here are the product pages for our DSP development environments: > > VisualDSP++: www.analog.com/visualdsp > CrossCore Embedded Studio: www.analog.com/cces > > Let me also comment that there are no plans to terminate the BlackFin and SHARC product lines and that ADI is in robust health. > > Cheers, > > Jack Buckley > Product Manager, Software& Tools Engineering > Processor& DSP Core Technology Group > Analog Devices, Inc.
-- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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> Vlad, > > What do you mean by "quite compatible" ?
The VDSP 5 projects have to be modified to be compiled in Crosscore toolset. There is a difference in C++ flavor and in the libraries. Though it is possible to make projects compatible with VDSP and Crosscore at the same time.
> I look forward to the day where you can build, debug and profile code for > Blackfin/SHARC from Visual Studio. > VDSP is not a very good tool in my opinion.
I develop and debug algorithms on PC anyway. VDSP is probably the best optimizing compiler for target DSP. Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Consultant www.abvolt.com
"Jack Buckley" <jzbuckley3@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can assure you that VisualDSP++ still exists and will continue to be > supported into the foreseeable future.
The last compiler update (#10) was released more then 2 years ago. Before that, updates were released 2-3 times per year. There are at least several long lived bugs in #10 toolchain, and support is aware of them. I assume the development has been stopped.
> Let me also comment that there are no plans to terminate the BlackFin and > SHARC product lines and that ADI is in robust health.
That is good to hear.
> Jack Buckley > Product Manager, Software & Tools Engineering > Processor & DSP Core Technology Group > Analog Devices, Inc.
Thank you. Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Consultant www.abvolt.com
"Al Clark" <aclark@danvillesignal.com> wrote:
> "Vladimir Vassilevsky" <nospam@nowhere.com> wrote:
> The CrossCore Studio tools are Eclipse based. ADI is moving in this > direction > because it costs a lot of money to maintain a proprietary platform and > because like it or not, Eclipse is increasingly universal.
Have you tried GCC toolchain? Is it usable? Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Consultant www.abvolt.com
I've used the gcc blackfin toolchain and it is quite usable.

Pedro Pereira
On 2/21/13 11:48 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
> > > That is good to hear. >...
> Thank you. > > Vladimir Vassilevsky > DSP and Mixed Signal Consultant > www.abvolt.com >
someone should call the National Weather Service and inform them that it's frozen over in hell. -- r b-j rbj@audioimagination.com "Imagination is more important than knowledge."