OT: Web design software

Richard Owlett wrote:
> Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>>
>> Could you advise software for website design. What is considered
>> to be good widely used tool for unsophisticated web design in our
>> days?
>> Main requirement: software should be good by itself and easy to use.
>> Should be for Windows. Could be opensource or payware.
>> Don't need advanced features such as online payment, database
>> connections, etc. Shouldn't embed stupid banners like "designed
>> by xxxx" into HTML or require service subscription.
>>
>>
>> Vladimir Vassilevsky
>> DSP and Mixed Signal Designs
>> www.abvolt.com
>>
>>
>
> Have you looked at SeaMonkey. It is free, open source, multi-platform
> and extensible.
>
> http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/features#composer describes
> Composer saying:
>
> "SeaMonkey's powerful yet simple HTML editor keeps getting better with
> dynamic image and table resizing, quick insert and delete of table
> cells, improved CSS support, and support for positioned layers. For all
> your documents and website projects, Composer is all you need."
>


Geez - I have used Seamonkey and Netscape before it for decades and
never knew what that was!

-- 
Les Cargill

Am 27.06.2013 05:39, schrieb Vladimir Vassilevsky:
>
> Could you advise software for website design. What is considered to be
> good widely used tool for unsophisticated web design in our days?
> Main requirement: software should be good by itself and easy to use.
> Should be for Windows. Could be opensource or payware.
> Don't need advanced features such as online payment, database
> connections, etc. Shouldn't embed stupid banners like "designed by xxxx"
> into HTML or require service subscription.
>
>
> Vladimir Vassilevsky
> DSP and Mixed Signal Designs
> www.abvolt.com
>
>


Just try 'Microoft Expression Web 4'. It is free and includes

HTML5
CSS 3
FTP Transfer

Example:

http://home.arcor.de/janch/c20130513/page1.html

Regards JCH

Hi Vladimir,

Am 27.06.13 05:39, schrieb Vladimir Vassilevsky:
>
> Could you advise software for website design. What is considered to be
> good widely used tool for unsophisticated web design in our days?
> Main requirement: software should be good by itself and easy to use.
> Should be for Windows. Could be opensource or payware.

If you have dynamic webspace, i.e. with PHP and MYSQL (or you have your 
own server), I would strongly advise to install wordpress. It's 
available here: http://wordpress.org/
It is open source, widely used and you would greatly benefit from a lot 
of predefined stuff like searching, timelines, good-looking design 
templates... No offense to the "do it in VI" guys, but most of the pages 
written that way look quite old-fashioned (mine is no exception, but I 
would'nt use VI again, probably).

There is a large number of similar/more advanced tools, like typo3, 
joomla, drupal,... of course under the condition that you have not only 
static web space. Today it'S retty standard to get at least PHP&MYSQL.

	Christian

On 6/27/2013 9:41 AM, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
> On 6/26/2013 11:35 PM, Les Cargill wrote:
>> Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>>>
>>> Could you advise software for website design. What is considered to be
>>> good widely used tool for unsophisticated web design in our days?
>>
>> Word, then export as HTML?
>
> Suppose I need a pushbutton which opens a page. How to do it Word ?

If you are asking questions like this, I would recommend that you find 
someone to do the web page for you.  Web design has gotten much more 
complex over the years and if your page is anything other than very 
basic it is likely to be too complex to do a good job on.

Wescott's site is an example of a very basic web page design.  If that 
is what you are looking for, then you can likely do a good job with 
basic tools.  To do anything much fancier, you may end up need to 
program the page and that is full of pitfalls.  Seems the browser world 
is in the state embedded tools were some 20 years ago with lots of bugs 
and few solutions.

Just my two cents worth.

My web site looks 10 years old because it is.  When I get around to 
doing something about it I won't have to do any coding because my 
girlfriend will do that for me, she's a pro... web developer.

-- 

Rick

Vladimir Vassilevsky <nospam@nowhere.com> writes:

> Could you advise software for website design. What is considered to be
> good widely used tool for unsophisticated web design in our days?
> Main requirement: software should be good by itself and easy to use.
> Should be for Windows. Could be opensource or payware.
> Don't need advanced features such as online payment, database
> connections, etc. Shouldn't embed stupid banners like "designed by
> xxxx" into HTML or require service subscription.
>
>
> Vladimir Vassilevsky
> DSP and Mixed Signal Designs
> www.abvolt.com

Check out zk 

  http://www.zkoss.org

and webtoolkit

  http://www.webtoolkit.eu/wt/

although neither of these could really be considered easy to use.
-- 
Randy Yates
Digital Signal Labs
http://www.digitalsignallabs.com

On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:39:42 PM UTC-4, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
> Could you advise software for website design. What is considered to be good widely used tool for unsophisticated web design in our days? Main requirement: software should be good by itself and easy to use. Should be for Windows. Could be opensource or payware. Don't need advanced features such as online payment, database connections, etc. Shouldn't embed stupid banners like "designed by xxxx" into HTML or require service subscription. Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Designs www.abvolt.com

Just steal ...err... "borrow"  some other small company's website, get background and pushbutton gifs from other websites or generate them online for free, replace original content with your own, and voila ... you can get away with just vi editor or notepad and still have a decent-looking website 

Seriously, unless you have a talent for graphic design your website will suck anyway so why bother ? :-)

On 6/28/2013 9:16 AM, angrydude wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:39:42 PM UTC-4, Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>> Could you advise software for website design. What is considered to be good widely used tool for unsophisticated web design in our days? Main requirement: software should be good by itself and easy to use. Should be for Windows. Could be opensource or payware. Don't need advanced features such as online payment, database connections, etc. Shouldn't embed stupid banners like "designed by xxxx" into HTML or require service subscription. Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal Designs www.abvolt.com
>
> Just steal ...err... "borrow"  some other small company's website, get background and pushbutton gifs from other websites or generate them online for free, replace original content with your own, and voila ... you can get away with just vi editor or notepad and still have a decent-looking website
>
> Seriously, unless you have a talent for graphic design your website will suck anyway so why bother ? :-)

That is actually a big issue that most people don't worry about.  There 
are some seriously sucky web sites because people used their own tastes 
rather than learning from the ones who know or better, just letting them 
do it!

-- 

Rick

On Fri, 28 Jun 2013 10:56:59 -0400, rickman wrote:

> On 6/28/2013 9:16 AM, angrydude wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 26, 2013 11:39:42 PM UTC-4, Vladimir Vassilevsky
>> wrote:
>>> Could you advise software for website design. What is considered to be
>>> good widely used tool for unsophisticated web design in our days? Main
>>> requirement: software should be good by itself and easy to use. Should
>>> be for Windows. Could be opensource or payware. Don't need advanced
>>> features such as online payment, database connections, etc. Shouldn't
>>> embed stupid banners like "designed by xxxx" into HTML or require
>>> service subscription. Vladimir Vassilevsky DSP and Mixed Signal
>>> Designs www.abvolt.com
>>
>> Just steal ...err... "borrow"  some other small company's website, get
>> background and pushbutton gifs from other websites or generate them
>> online for free, replace original content with your own, and voila ...
>> you can get away with just vi editor or notepad and still have a
>> decent-looking website
>>
>> Seriously, unless you have a talent for graphic design your website
>> will suck anyway so why bother ? :-)
> 
> That is actually a big issue that most people don't worry about.  There
> are some seriously sucky web sites because people used their own tastes
> rather than learning from the ones who know or better, just letting them
> do it!

Of course, if you don't have good eyes for a good web site, you're left 
with the conundrum of who to pick...

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com