What is Viterbi's claim to fame - only the Viterbi algorithm ? Has he invented any other theorem or circuit or algorithm ? He is a life fellow of ieee, right ? What criteria is there to promote from fellow to life fellow ? shankar

# Viterbi's contribution

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"kbc" <kbc32@yahoo.com> ha scritto nel messaggio news:a382521e.0308072354.234834dc@posting.google.com...> What is Viterbi's claim to fame - only the Viterbi algorithm ? > > Has he invented any other theorem or circuit or algorithm ?well not much, a part from the CDMA modulation... he's also co-founder of Qualcomm (thy made Eudora). Here is an interview to Mr.Viterbi: http://www.ieee.org/organizations/history_center/oral_histories/transcripts/ viterbi.html E.

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On 8 Aug 2003, kbc wrote:> What is Viterbi's claim to fame - only the Viterbi algorithm ? >if "claim to fame" means "the one thing someone is most famous for", i think this is correct. but if you insinuate that it is the only good thing he has contributed, then i disagree.> Has he invented any other theorem or circuit or algorithm ? >plenty of things. get a glimpse or two here: http://www.cparity.com/it/demo/welcome.htm http://ieeexplore.ieee.org and do an author search on viterbi. he made a lot of contribution to the idea of using CDMA and the techniques required to make it to work for cellular communication. plus, classical analysis for error performance of communication systems, both in source coding and in channel coding.> He is a life fellow of ieee, right ? >i think so. and was fellow of ieee previously.> What criteria is there to promote from fellow to life fellow ? >i'm sure this is on the IEEE website somewhere! julius -- The most rigorous proofs will be shown by vigorous handwaving. http://www.mit.edu/~kusuma opinion of author is not necessarily of the institute

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kbc wrote:> > What is Viterbi's claim to fame - only the Viterbi algorithm ? > > Has he invented any other theorem or circuit or algorithm ? > > He is a life fellow of ieee, right ? > > What criteria is there to promote from fellow to life fellow ? > > shankarWould you like me to teach you how to use Google? Viterbi's first name is Andrew. Look it up. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������

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KBC: [snip] "kbc" <kbc32@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a382521e.0308072354.234834dc@posting.google.com...> What is Viterbi's claim to fame - only the Viterbi algorithm ? > > Has he invented any other theorem or circuit or algorithm ? > > He is a life fellow of ieee, right ? > > What criteria is there to promote from fellow to life fellow ? > > shankar[snip] Andrew Viterbi has made many original contributions to communications technology. Unfortunately the "one" which is named after him, the so-called "Viterbi Algorithm" is not a unique contribution of his, indeed it is not that unique. Dave Forney wrote an IEEE Proceeding's article which named this algorithm the "Viterbi Algorithm". Andrew Viterbi never called it that! The so-called "Viterbi Algorithm" which is a maximum likelihood sequence estimation algorthim is nothing more nor less than an "exhaustive search" of all possible lattice paths seeking the one with the maximum likelihood! Not very subtle! Exhaustive search is the "dumbest" of all possible optimization methods. This technique of "exhaustive search" of all possible solutions until the optimum is found is often called "dynamic programming". The so-called Viterbi Algorithm is nothing more nor less than the "dynamic programming" or "exhaustive search" algorithm. Nothing unique, novel or subtle about it! Just search over all possible solutions and then choose the one with the least cost! Just as with Einstein, who never won an award for "Relativity" but did win awards for lesser works, Andrew Viterbi is unfortunately remembered by having his name attached to an algorithm which he did not invent and which was not even novel or unique, and this unfortunate circumstance was perpetrated by another person [Dave Forney] writing an article about the exhaustive search algorithm and calling it the Viterbi Algorthim simply because Andrew Viterbi had suggested doing an exhautive search! So much for celebrity. OTOH... any literature search will uncover the many unique contributions of Andrew Viterbi to communications sciences! It's just that the only one named for him is not that important and was not even discovered or invented by him! -- Peter Consultant Indialantic By-the-Sea, FL.

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What?????? dynamic programming" = "exhaustive search" ????? The whole idea of dynamic programming is not to perform exhaustive search!!! and to cut down the computational load!!! By employing dynamic programming one prunes out most of the irrelevant search possibilities, and by doing s one reduces the exhaustive search to a relatively very small number of paths that the trellis or other specific grid structure allows. In simple Trellis having N stages of K points each, instead of N^K (power) possibilities of exhaustive search, the dynamic programming may search only N*K paths. Not sure whether Prof. Viterbi was the first one to invent dynamic programming, but he definitely made it very useful and applicable for communications, and developed many systems and concept based on it. Dr.DSP Peter Brackett wrote:> > KBC: > > [snip] > "kbc" <kbc32@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:a382521e.0308072354.234834dc@posting.google.com... > > What is Viterbi's claim to fame - only the Viterbi algorithm ? > > > > Has he invented any other theorem or circuit or algorithm ? > > > > He is a life fellow of ieee, right ? > > > > What criteria is there to promote from fellow to life fellow ? > > > > shankar > [snip] > > Andrew Viterbi has made many original contributions to communications > technology. > > Unfortunately the "one" which is named after him, the so-called "Viterbi > Algorithm" is not > a unique contribution of his, indeed it is not that unique. > > Dave Forney wrote an IEEE Proceeding's article which named this algorithm > the "Viterbi > Algorithm". Andrew Viterbi never called it that! > > The so-called "Viterbi Algorithm" which is a maximum likelihood sequence > estimation > algorthim is nothing more nor less than an "exhaustive search" of all > possible lattice > paths seeking the one with the maximum likelihood! Not very subtle! > Exhaustive > search is the "dumbest" of all possible optimization methods. This > technique of > "exhaustive search" of all possible solutions until the optimum is found is > often called > "dynamic programming". The so-called Viterbi Algorithm is nothing more nor > less > than the "dynamic programming" or "exhaustive search" algorithm. > > Nothing unique, novel or subtle about it! Just search over all possible > solutions > and then choose the one with the least cost! > > Just as with Einstein, who never won an award for "Relativity" but did win > awards > for lesser works, Andrew Viterbi is unfortunately remembered by having his > name > attached to an algorithm which he did not invent and which was not even > novel > or unique, and this unfortunate circumstance was perpetrated by another > person > [Dave Forney] writing an article about the exhaustive search algorithm and > calling > it the Viterbi Algorthim simply because Andrew Viterbi had suggested doing > an > exhautive search! > > So much for celebrity. > > OTOH... any literature search will uncover the many unique contributions of > Andrew Viterbi to communications sciences! It's just that the only one > named > for him is not that important and was not even discovered or invented by > him! > > -- > Peter > Consultant > Indialantic By-the-Sea, FL.

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"Peter Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:bh1c9g$e7e$1@slb9.atl.mindspring.net...> Just as with Einstein, who never won an award for "Relativity" but did win > awards > for lesser works, > -- > Peter > Consultant > Indialantic By-the-Sea, FL. >Peter, The example with Einstein is a bad one since the Nobel prize has an advancement of technology requirement which is much more appropriate to his explanation of the photoelectric effect, which is by the way what he won the Nobel prize for. While Lorentz and Poincare did a lot for the math behind relativity, Einstein took it much furthur than anyone else at the time and thusly did a lot of original work. But there was no application to technology (then) so there was no prize. So I wouldn't say he got the prize for a lessor work, but rather for a more applicable to the rules of the prize committee work. Clay> >

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Peter Brackett wrote:>an interesting history, using lines so long that it is difficult to read. Grumpy -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������

Reply by ●August 9, 20032003-08-09

i dont have half hour to spend on this. what do u think is the purpose of a newsgroup ? Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<3F33D038.2241D50F@ieee.org>...> kbc wrote: > > > > What is Viterbi's claim to fame - only the Viterbi algorithm ? > > > > Has he invented any other theorem or circuit or algorithm ? > > > > He is a life fellow of ieee, right ? > > > > What criteria is there to promote from fellow to life fellow ? > > > > shankar > > Would you like me to teach you how to use Google? Viterbi's first name > is Andrew. Look it up. > > Jerry

Reply by ●August 9, 20032003-08-09

"Peter Brackett" <ab4bc@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<bh1c9g$e7e$1@slb9.atl.mindspring.net>...> KBC: > > [snip] > "kbc" <kbc32@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:a382521e.0308072354.234834dc@posting.google.com... > > What is Viterbi's claim to fame - only the Viterbi algorithm ? > > > > Has he invented any other theorem or circuit or algorithm ? > > > > He is a life fellow of ieee, right ? > > > > What criteria is there to promote from fellow to life fellow ? > > > > shankar > [snip] > > Andrew Viterbi has made many original contributions to communications > technology. > > Unfortunately the "one" which is named after him, the so-called "Viterbi > Algorithm" is not > a unique contribution of his, indeed it is not that unique. > > Dave Forney wrote an IEEE Proceeding's article which named this algorithm > the "Viterbi > Algorithm". Andrew Viterbi never called it that!Hi Peter, G. David Forney,Jr, a MIT Phd, is one of the pioneers of modern communication theory. Viterbi has to be grateful to him since he introduced the representation of convolutional codes by trellis diagrams, and proved the optimality of the Viterbi algorithm. I think he also introduced the idea of concatenated convolution codes and contributed towards serially concatenated codes(?). Turbo codes , on the other handhand, has paralell concatenation with intermidiate interleaver and gained the attention of the industry very rapidly. He is also one of the pioneers to introduce veterbi equalizer (not same as decoder!!) to mitigate ISI from the fading channels. Secondly, why you guys are not mentioning Marcov(for Hidden Marcov Model) since Viterbi algorithm is a special case of HMM with simple assumptions -is n't? Regards, Santosh> > The so-called "Viterbi Algorithm" which is a maximum likelihood sequence > estimation > algorthim is nothing more nor less than an "exhaustive search" of all > possible lattice > paths seeking the one with the maximum likelihood! Not very subtle! > Exhaustive > search is the "dumbest" of all possible optimization methods. This > technique of > "exhaustive search" of all possible solutions until the optimum is found is > often called > "dynamic programming". The so-called Viterbi Algorithm is nothing more nor > less > than the "dynamic programming" or "exhaustive search" algorithm. > > Nothing unique, novel or subtle about it! Just search over all possible > solutions > and then choose the one with the least cost! > > Just as with Einstein, who never won an award for "Relativity" but did win > awards > for lesser works, Andrew Viterbi is unfortunately remembered by having his > name > attached to an algorithm which he did not invent and which was not even > novel > or unique, and this unfortunate circumstance was perpetrated by another > person > [Dave Forney] writing an article about the exhaustive search algorithm and > calling > it the Viterbi Algorthim simply because Andrew Viterbi had suggested doing > an > exhautive search! > > So much for celebrity. > > OTOH... any literature search will uncover the many unique contributions of > Andrew Viterbi to communications sciences! It's just that the only one > named > for him is not that important and was not even discovered or invented by > him!