Working as a DSP Engineer!!

Hi DSP Gurus,

Could you point out which place is good to work as a DSP Engineer in
terms of Salary and benefits?? such as USA or UK or France or
Malaysia?

Hong Kong is not a choice as Engineers in HK are treated as
technicians in all aspects.

Thanks in advance for sharing your views

gold

argon_gold@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi DSP Gurus,
> 
> Could you point out which place is good to work as a DSP Engineer in
> terms of Salary and benefits?? such as USA or UK or France or
> Malaysia?
> 
> Hong Kong is not a choice as Engineers in HK are treated as
> technicians in all aspects.
> 
> Thanks in advance for sharing your views
> 
> gold

I live in Hong Kong. If you think engineers are treated badly here, 
don't bothering trying most of the above, especially the UK. :-)

Regards,
Steve

argon_gold@hotmail.com wrote 
> 
> Could you point out which place is good to work as a DSP Engineer in
> terms of Salary and benefits?? such as USA or UK or France or
> Malaysia?
> 
> Hong Kong is not a choice as Engineers in HK are treated as
> technicians in all aspects.
> 
> Thanks in advance for sharing your views
> 
> gold

Here's a neat bit of DSP:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11602424%255E601,00.html

Ciao,

Peter K.

Peter Kootsookos wrote:
> Here's a neat bit of DSP:
> 
> http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11602424%255E601,00.html

I simply don't believe that story. How accurate a 3D laser scanner do 
you need to measure angular (can you at all measure the spin of a ball 
with a laser scanner?) and linear velocity of a roulette ball to 
consistently predict where it will land after chaotically jumping around 
the roulette wheel? Operated using a hand-held device the size of a 
mobile phone?

No way.


> 
> Ciao,
> 
> Peter K.

IMO India is the place now
<argon_gold@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9903481.0412041931.1fae843e@posting.google.com...
> Hi DSP Gurus,
>
> Could you point out which place is good to work as a DSP Engineer in
> terms of Salary and benefits?? such as USA or UK or France or
> Malaysia?
>
> Hong Kong is not a choice as Engineers in HK are treated as
> technicians in all aspects.
>
> Thanks in advance for sharing your views
>
> gold

Andor Bariska wrote:
> 
> Peter Kootsookos wrote:
> > Here's a neat bit of DSP:
> >
> > http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11602424%255E601,00.html
> 
> I simply don't believe that story. How accurate a 3D laser scanner do
> you need to measure angular (can you at all measure the spin of a ball
> with a laser scanner?) and linear velocity of a roulette ball to
> consistently predict where it will land after chaotically jumping around
> the roulette wheel? Operated using a hand-held device the size of a
> mobile phone?
> 
> No way.

The story itself appears to be true. That is, the 3 did win the money.
The laser scanner part is a bit doubtful. But the issue was never
resolved because apparently even if they had done what the story says
they did it wouldn't have been illegal. So the police, the casino and
the perpetrators have no real reason to reveal what actually happened.
	The issue is not predicting exactly where the ball will end up but
getting a prediction that is right often enough to alter the probability
in your favor. After googling a little about this story. I ran across
one discussion that said:

"In the early eighties a gambling expert, Scott Lang, published a book
detailing how to use a digital stopwatch to calculate the sector the
ball would finish in but casinos simply banned stopwatches." 

If that's really true, then a digital camera linked to a computer should
be able to accomplish that fairly easily.

That would in turn mean that the casino itself is in the best position
to take advantage of such technology.

-jim

"Andor Bariska" <an2or@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:41b42438$1@news1.ethz.ch...
> Peter Kootsookos wrote:
> > Here's a neat bit of DSP:
> >
> >
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,11602424%255E601,00.html
>
> I simply don't believe that story. How accurate a 3D laser scanner do
> you need to measure angular (can you at all measure the spin of a ball
> with a laser scanner?) and linear velocity of a roulette ball to
> consistently predict where it will land after chaotically jumping around
> the roulette wheel? Operated using a hand-held device the size of a
> mobile phone?
>
> No way.

Actually, although I would take the precise technical detail of that story
with a pinch of salt, you need to read the Thomas A Bass's "Newtonian
Casino" (UK) "Eudaemonic Pie" (USA) which discusses the trials and
triulations of a group of physics majors using 6502 based systems hidden in
their shoes.

Under lab conditions it's fairly easy (although far from trivial) to set up
an experiment to be able to predict with a spectacular positive expectation
where a roulette ball will land under certain conditions.

To make it really easy, you need a wheel with a slight tilt: it is then
possible to model the wheel such that the ball will never fall off a certain
sector. At its extreme you only need a tilt of a couple of degrees for there
to be a 'forbidden region', barely enough for your average casino spirit
level to detect. But for a positive expectation, you only need a degree or
so for a segment of the wheel to become far more likely for the ball to
land.

From simple observation, it's quite easy to find these wheels. The equations
for the ball in this case are basically a pendulum, but you need to consider
it in its far more complicated non-linear style, including air resistance
and ball momentum - and use numerical methods to solve.

This can then be used to figure out the most likely point of the wheel that
the ball will land: the randomness provided by the bumpers around the wheel
does disrupt the ball - more so on some wheeels than others. But not enough
such that your positive expectation is wiped out.

The last part of the prediction is the simplest - the wheel moves in the
opposite direction to the ball, but its momentum is high enough such that
it's really easy to model.

I have spent quite some time in the past reproducing the experiment, and
there is no doubt that in lab conditions it's easily possible. The toughest
part is taking the know-how to the casino floor without being caught. The
last time I discussed this with one of the guys in the story (Doyne Farmer)
was about eight years ago when we both did work for Swiss Bank Corp (now
UBS) - he used his computer modelling expertise to pioneer financial market
prediction.

Like him, I discovered long ago that there's easier ways to make money ;-)

Unlike in Nevada, currently in the UK it is not illegal to use a device that
predicts the outcome of a game of chance, although if the house finds you
using one, expect to be thrown out. I believe that this UK 'loophole' will
be closed in new legislation.

The guys in the recent story in London were both clever and stupid - clever
in that they figured out how to beat the wheel, but stupid in that they got
caught - they got too greedy.

At the time I remember that story breaking, and ISTR that the only thing
they were charged with was money laundering - cherges that were quickly
dropped.

Regards, Howard

"Howard Long" <howard@howardlongxxx.com> wrote in message Z> land.

> This can then be used to figure out the most likely point of the wheel
that
> the ball will land: the randomness provided by the bumpers around the
wheel
> does disrupt the ball - more so on some wheeels than others. But not
enough
> such that your positive expectation is wiped out.

I should add that in general these schemes rely on covering the numbers over
a sector of the wheel: you are predicting the most likely portion of the
wheel, not the exact number. For example this might be an eighth or so of
the wheel.

In casino play, to try to avert the attentions of the pit bosses, you would
generally have a team: one or more supposed on-lookers, and one or two,
usually deliberately rather inebriated, folks to place the bets.

Regards, Howard

In my view, the US and UK are the hottest markets, with Finland and
India coming in behind them.  The UK may have the edge overall, based
on the amount of position advertisements I've seen there, and because
many of the jobs are of the nature that I would like ( audio, video
related, etc ).

argon_gold@hotmail.com wrote:

>Hi DSP Gurus,
>
>Could you point out which place is good to work as a DSP Engineer in
>terms of Salary and benefits?? such as USA or UK or France or
>Malaysia?
>
>Hong Kong is not a choice as Engineers in HK are treated as
>technicians in all aspects.
>
>Thanks in advance for sharing your views
>
>gold


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"Anjan" <anjanr@yahoo.com> wrote:

>IMO India is the place now

Definetly a lot of work there now.  Salaries still lower though ...
but maybe relative to the cost of living, it's the same.  And more
demand means salaries moving higher.

If you can stand the heat!


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