r_obert@REMOVE_THIS.hotmail.com wrote:>In my view, the US and UK are the hottest markets, with Finland and >India coming in behind them. The UK may have the edge overall, based >on the amount of position advertisements I've seen there, and because >many of the jobs are of the nature that I would like ( audio, video >related, etc ). > >I guess this would be why any UK electronics engineer who doesn't feel deeply tied to the country runs away. :-) Seriously, you seem to have a strange outsider's view of DSP in the UK. Working there in most kinds of electronics is really demoralising, viewed from any angle - working conditions, stimulating work, salary, stability, etc. Find some UK guys living in the US, and ask them if they would like to return to work in the UK. It's hard to find many that would. The only exceptions I have found are people with young children, who leave the US because of its education system. Its rather sad that I can't be more positive about my homeland. I left. I have no wish to go back. For reference I live in Asia, and not the US. Regards, Steve
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Reply by ●December 6, 20042004-12-06
Reply by ●December 6, 20042004-12-06
Steve Underwood <steveu@dis.org> wrote:>r_obert@REMOVE_THIS.hotmail.com wrote: > >>In my view, the US and UK are the hottest markets, with Finland and >>India coming in behind them. The UK may have the edge overall, based >>on the amount of position advertisements I've seen there, and because >>many of the jobs are of the nature that I would like ( audio, video >>related, etc ). >> >> >I guess this would be why any UK electronics engineer who doesn't feel >deeply tied to the country runs away. :-)Haha. Wasn't aware of that.> >Seriously, you seem to have a strange outsider's view of DSP in the UK.It is an outsider's view, based soley on the quantity and nature of the positions. Plus the expectation that the UK ... with it's wealthy history of audio and music, would have great work in these areas. That appears to be borne out by many positions descriptions ( yes, I know, not always 100% truthful, etc ).>Working there in most kinds of electronics is really demoralising, >viewed from any angle - working conditions, stimulating work, salary, >stability, etc. Find some UK guys living in the US, and ask them if theyThe pay rates didn't seem all that bad ... up to 70 to 80 K US, from what I had seen. I have gathered that there simply is an undersupply of DSP engineers in the UK, relative to it's needs. You'd think that would result in improvements in working conditions, etc. And I guess stimulating work is often in the eye of the beholder. ( Not many people are stimulated by writing DSP assembly language, but I am. )>would like to return to work in the UK. It's hard to find many that >would. The only exceptions I have found are people with young children, >who leave the US because of its education system. > >Its rather sad that I can't be more positive about my homeland. I left.I've occasionally felt the same.>I have no wish to go back. For reference I live in Asia, and not the US.I've heard of other reasons cited for leaving the UK ( prices, crowding, etc ). David Bowie left because he couldn't stand a society overly obsessed with celebrity anymore. :)> >Regards, >SteveBest, Robert ( modify address for return mail ) www.numbersusa.com www.americanpatrol.com
Reply by ●December 7, 20042004-12-07
On 2004-12-07 03:47:19 +0100, r_obert@REMOVE_THIS.hotmail.com said:> I've heard of other reasons cited for leaving the UK ( prices, > crowding, etc ). David Bowie left because he couldn't stand a society > overly obsessed with celebrity anymore. :)Not forgetting the weather... :-) Still, I do love visiting the UK for holidays (and, partly, work) and I would consider working there if I got the chance (Germany, where I live now can be quite annoying, too!). -- Stephan M. Bernsee http://www.dspdimension.com
Reply by ●December 7, 20042004-12-07
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:06:17 +0100, Stephan M. Bernsee <spam@dspdimension.com> wrote:>On 2004-12-07 03:47:19 +0100, r_obert@REMOVE_THIS.hotmail.com said: > >> I've heard of other reasons cited for leaving the UK ( prices, >> crowding, etc ). David Bowie left because he couldn't stand a society >> overly obsessed with celebrity anymore. :) > >Not forgetting the weather... :-) > >Still, I do love visiting the UK for holidays (and, partly, work) and I >would consider working there if I got the chance (Germany, where I live >now can be quite annoying, too!). >-- >Stephan M. BernseeIf anybody finds a non-annoying place to live, please let us know! My personal observation is just that any place that has very many people is going to have its annoyances, and any place that has no people is annoying because there's no people! We all run our own annoyance minimization algorithms, and sometimes if we hit a local minima that's at a level we don't like it's enough to make one move elsewhere. If the algorithm converges better there, it's considered an improvement. ;) Eric Jacobsen Minister of Algorithms, Intel Corp. My opinions may not be Intel's opinions. http://www.ericjacobsen.org
Reply by ●December 7, 20042004-12-07
Eric Jacobsen wrote:> On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 09:06:17 +0100, Stephan M. Bernsee > <spam@dspdimension.com> wrote: > > >>On 2004-12-07 03:47:19 +0100, r_obert@REMOVE_THIS.hotmail.com said: >> >> >>>I've heard of other reasons cited for leaving the UK ( prices, >>>crowding, etc ). David Bowie left because he couldn't stand a society >>>overly obsessed with celebrity anymore. :) >> >>Not forgetting the weather... :-) >> >>Still, I do love visiting the UK for holidays (and, partly, work) and I >>would consider working there if I got the chance (Germany, where I live >>now can be quite annoying, too!). >>-- >>Stephan M. Bernsee > > > If anybody finds a non-annoying place to live, please let us know! > > My personal observation is just that any place that has very many > people is going to have its annoyances, and any place that has no > people is annoying because there's no people! > > We all run our own annoyance minimization algorithms,Mine is Southwest Missouri has less *SNOW* than Upstate New York ;]> and sometimes if > we hit a local minima that's at a level we don't like it's enough to > make one move elsewhere. If the algorithm converges better there, > it's considered an improvement. ;) > > > Eric Jacobsen > Minister of Algorithms, Intel Corp. > My opinions may not be Intel's opinions. > http://www.ericjacobsen.org
Reply by ●December 7, 20042004-12-07
On 2004-12-07 21:13:03 +0100, eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) said:> We all run our own annoyance minimization algorithms, and sometimes if > we hit a local minima that's at a level we don't like it's enough to > make one move elsewhere. If the algorithm converges better there, > it's considered an improvement. ;)IOW, the annoyance minimization algorithm (AMA) will never encounter a global minimum because there is none... :-) -- Stephan M. Bernsee http://www.dspdimension.com
Reply by ●December 7, 20042004-12-07
On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 21:19:31 +0100, Stephan M. Bernsee <spam@dspdimension.com> wrote:>On 2004-12-07 21:13:03 +0100, eric.jacobsen@ieee.org (Eric Jacobsen) said: > >> We all run our own annoyance minimization algorithms, and sometimes if >> we hit a local minima that's at a level we don't like it's enough to >> make one move elsewhere. If the algorithm converges better there, >> it's considered an improvement. ;) > >IOW, the annoyance minimization algorithm (AMA) will never encounter a >global minimum because there is none... :-) >-- >Stephan M. Bernsee >http://www.dspdimension.comExactly! Eric Jacobsen Minister of Algorithms, Intel Corp. My opinions may not be Intel's opinions. http://www.ericjacobsen.org
Reply by ●December 7, 20042004-12-07
Richard Owlett <rowlett@atlascomm.net> wrote:>> We all run our own annoyance minimization algorithms, > >Mine is Southwest Missouri has less *SNOW* than Upstate New York ;]And wicked heat/humidity in the summer! Robert ( modify address for return mail ) www.numbersusa.com www.americanpatrol.com
Reply by ●December 7, 20042004-12-07
Stephan M. Bernsee <spam@dspdimension.com> wrote:>On 2004-12-07 03:47:19 +0100, r_obert@REMOVE_THIS.hotmail.com said: > >> I've heard of other reasons cited for leaving the UK ( prices, >> crowding, etc ). David Bowie left because he couldn't stand a society >> overly obsessed with celebrity anymore. :) > >Not forgetting the weather... :-)Yeah. Ha. Don't mind cool and cloudy myself though ( but know that puts me in a fairly small minority ). Robert ( modify address for return mail ) www.numbersusa.com www.americanpatrol.com
Reply by ●December 8, 20042004-12-08
r_obert@REMOVE_THIS.hotmail.com wrote:>Stephan M. Bernsee <spam@dspdimension.com> wrote: > > > >>On 2004-12-07 03:47:19 +0100, r_obert@REMOVE_THIS.hotmail.com said: >> >> >> >>>I've heard of other reasons cited for leaving the UK ( prices, >>>crowding, etc ). David Bowie left because he couldn't stand a society >>>overly obsessed with celebrity anymore. :) >>> >>>I thought he left when he was no longer a celebrity :-) The US seems far more obsessed with celebrity than the UK. Everywhere seems pretty obsessed with it, though.>>Not forgetting the weather... :-) >> >>Damn. Until you said that, I *had* forgotten the weather. Still, it has merits. Low air con bills. If you don't like the weather you don't need to wait too long for it to change. Great tan..... oh, sorry, that's rust.>Yeah. Ha. Don't mind cool and cloudy myself though ( but know that >puts me in a fairly small minority ). > >You wouldn't like the UK weather. Nobody does. The UK isn't obsessed with celebrity. It is obsessed about its lousy weather. Global warming is changing that, though. Its turning some of the world's best farm land to arid waste. :-( (Adjusts the air con, and rolls up his shirt sleeves) Regards, Steve
