"Tim Wescott" wrote> Clarence_A wrote: > > "Spehro Pefhany" wrote > >>"Clarence_A" wrote: > >>>"Tim Wescott" wrote > >>>> I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD, > >>>> and Basic Control Theory for Software Engineers. Moredetails at> >>>> http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm. > >>>> > >>>>This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class beforethe> >>>>prerequisite -- oh well.<snip>> You can, of course, read the material on my web site whichcovers the> talks one way or another. Throwing rotten vegetables at yourown> computer screen is, however, much less satisfying than usingthem on a> presenter.Read the article in the MAG. Fairly simplified and quite useful for explaining to management. However the Thermal side was very over simplified. Our app required 5 to 9 zone control of a cylindrical furnace (semiconductor processing. (LPE and CID) so the interaction and variation due to horizontal and vertical tubes were of major concern. Fortunately, I do not do the Process Furnaces anymore, that customer was bought and the entire factory moved out. (We do system level consulting.)
[Shameless Plug] -- Embedded Systems Conference
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I read in sci.electronics.design that Tim Wescott <tim@wescottnospamdesign.com> wrote (in <10u30t54ccv3u71@corp.supernews. com>) about '[Shameless Plug] -- Embedded Systems Conference', on Sun, 9 Jan 2005:>I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD, and Basic >Control Theory for Software Engineers. More details at >http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm. > >This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before the >prerequisite -- oh well. >I thought this thread was about a connector with exposed male and female members.(;-) -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk
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Clarence_A wrote:> "Spehro Pefhany" wrote > >>"Clarence_A" wrote: >> >>>"Tim Wescott" wrote >>> >>>>I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD, > > and > >>>Basic >>> >>>>Control Theory for Software Engineers. More details at >>>>http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm. >>>> >>>>This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before the >>>>prerequisite -- oh well. >>>> >>> >>>Why do they always have the ESC in San Francisco? >>>I can't go there, and wouldn't if I could. >> >>Restraining order? > > > Company will not pay for anything in the SF area, they say it is > too expensive. They will pay in Anaheim or LV! I've even been > allowed to book in Phoenix and Denver (Gun Barrel, CO). Just NOT > SF!If you think it's expensive to go to SF to see a conference, just try exhibiting at one...
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:47:03 -0800, the renowned Jim Stewart <jstewart@jkmicro.com> wrote:>Clarence_A wrote: > >> "Spehro Pefhany" wrote >> >>>"Clarence_A" wrote: >>> >>>>"Tim Wescott" wrote >>>> >>>>>I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD, >> >> and >> >>>>Basic >>>> >>>>>Control Theory for Software Engineers. More details at >>>>>http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm. >>>>> >>>>>This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before the >>>>>prerequisite -- oh well. >>>>> >>>> >>>>Why do they always have the ESC in San Francisco? >>>>I can't go there, and wouldn't if I could. >>> >>>Restraining order? >> >> >> Company will not pay for anything in the SF area, they say it is >> too expensive. They will pay in Anaheim or LV! I've even been >> allowed to book in Phoenix and Denver (Gun Barrel, CO). Just NOT >> SF! > >If you think it's expensive to go to SF to see >a conference, just try exhibiting at one...Are they closed union shop like the Eastern ones? I hate having to pay those guy to do trivial stuff. Dreyage, my a**. 8-( And an electrician every time, even if the stuff just plugged in. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
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Clarence_A wrote:> "Tim Wescott" wrote > >>Clarence_A wrote: >> >>>"Spehro Pefhany" wrote >>> >>>>"Clarence_A" wrote: >>>> >>>>>"Tim Wescott" wrote >>>>> >>>>>>I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD, >>>>>>and Basic Control Theory for Software Engineers. More > > details at > >>>>>>http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm. >>>>>> >>>>>>This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before > > the > >>>>>>prerequisite -- oh well. > > > <snip> > >>You can, of course, read the material on my web site which > > covers the > >>talks one way or another. Throwing rotten vegetables at your > > own > >>computer screen is, however, much less satisfying than using > > them on a > >>presenter. > > > Read the article in the MAG. Fairly simplified and quite useful > for explaining to management. However the Thermal side was very > over simplified. Our app required 5 to 9 zone control of a > cylindrical furnace (semiconductor processing. (LPE and CID) so > the interaction and variation due to horizontal and vertical tubes > were of major concern. >Yes, it was. I wanted something that didn't include an intrinsic integrator, and I didn't want to spend days on a real thermal model. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:47:03 -0800, the renowned Jim Stewart > <jstewart@jkmicro.com> wrote: > > >>Clarence_A wrote: >> >> >>>"Spehro Pefhany" wrote >>> >>> >>>>"Clarence_A" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>"Tim Wescott" wrote >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD, >>> >>>and >>> >>> >>>>>Basic >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>Control Theory for Software Engineers. More details at >>>>>>http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm. >>>>>> >>>>>>This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before the >>>>>>prerequisite -- oh well. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Why do they always have the ESC in San Francisco? >>>>>I can't go there, and wouldn't if I could. >>>> >>>>Restraining order? >>> >>> >>>Company will not pay for anything in the SF area, they say it is >>>too expensive. They will pay in Anaheim or LV! I've even been >>>allowed to book in Phoenix and Denver (Gun Barrel, CO). Just NOT >>>SF! >> >>If you think it's expensive to go to SF to see >>a conference, just try exhibiting at one... > > > Are they closed union shop like the Eastern ones? I hate having to pay > those guy to do trivial stuff. Dreyage, my a**. 8-( And an > electrician every time, even if the stuff just plugged in.Exactly. We've done both SF and San Jose and San Jose was the worst. Even though the contents of our booth fit in the back of our Subaru wagon, we still had to go to the "marshaling yard" across town, wait in line, have the vehicle weighted, get a pickup time tag, go back to the convention center and wait to be unloaded, drive the unloaded car back to the "marshaling yard", get it weighed unloaded and get a weight ticket, which BTW was at least 200 lbs higher than the actual weight of the booth. To add injury to insult, as I was driving off the scale, a piece of metal slashed and destroyed one of my tires. Leaving, we just waited for the security guards to kick back and then sneaked everything out the front door. By the time we did ESC at SF, we had gotten pretty good at sneaking the stuff in past the teamsters. The trick is to have one person in the vehicle, circling the venue. Another person meets the vehicle, gets an armload of stuff and carries it inside. Repeat until done.
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Jim Stewart wrote:> Spehro Pefhany wrote: > >> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 12:47:03 -0800, the renowned Jim Stewart >> <jstewart@jkmicro.com> wrote: >> >> >>> Clarence_A wrote: >>> >>> >>>> "Spehro Pefhany" wrote >>>> >>>> >>>>> "Clarence_A" wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> "Tim Wescott" wrote >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll be delivering two presentations -- PID Without a PhD, >>>> >>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Basic >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Control Theory for Software Engineers. More details at >>>>>>> http://www.esconline.com/sf/index.htm. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This being the ESC, they've put the advanced class before the >>>>>>> prerequisite -- oh well. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Why do they always have the ESC in San Francisco? >>>>>> I can't go there, and wouldn't if I could. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Restraining order? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Company will not pay for anything in the SF area, they say it is >>>> too expensive. They will pay in Anaheim or LV! I've even been >>>> allowed to book in Phoenix and Denver (Gun Barrel, CO). Just NOT >>>> SF! >>> >>> >>> If you think it's expensive to go to SF to see >>> a conference, just try exhibiting at one... >> >> >> >> Are they closed union shop like the Eastern ones? I hate having to pay >> those guy to do trivial stuff. Dreyage, my a**. 8-( And an >> electrician every time, even if the stuff just plugged in. > > > Exactly. > > We've done both SF and San Jose and San Jose was the worst. > > Even though the contents of our booth fit in the back of > our Subaru wagon, we still had to go to the "marshaling > yard" across town, wait in line, have the vehicle weighted, > get a pickup time tag, go back to the convention center and > wait to be unloaded, drive the unloaded car back to the > "marshaling yard", get it weighed unloaded and get a weight > ticket, which BTW was at least 200 lbs higher than the > actual weight of the booth. To add injury to insult, as > I was driving off the scale, a piece of metal slashed > and destroyed one of my tires. > > Leaving, we just waited for the security guards to kick > back and then sneaked everything out the front door. > > By the time we did ESC at SF, we had gotten pretty good > at sneaking the stuff in past the teamsters. The trick > is to have one person in the vehicle, circling the venue. > Another person meets the vehicle, gets an armload of stuff > and carries it inside. Repeat until done. > >(Sound of teeth grinding). I can understand the need for unions in some industries, where employers can make things impossible for the working man. But they sure are a good example of how power corrupts. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:> <jstewart@jkmicro.com> wrote: >... snip ...>> >> If you think it's expensive to go to SF to see >> a conference, just try exhibiting at one... > > Are they closed union shop like the Eastern ones? I hate having to > pay those guy to do trivial stuff. Dreyage, my a**. 8-( And an > electrician every time, even if the stuff just plugged in.Isn't it amazing the accidental nightime damage that can occur as a result of supplying your own ashtrays (back when smoking was good) or anything else. -- Chuck F (cbfalconer@yahoo.com) (cbfalconer@worldnet.att.net) Available for consulting/temporary embedded and systems. <http://cbfalconer.home.att.net> USE worldnet address!
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On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:59:15 GMT, the renowned CBFalconer <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote:>Spehro Pefhany wrote: >> <jstewart@jkmicro.com> wrote: >> >... snip ... >>> >>> If you think it's expensive to go to SF to see >>> a conference, just try exhibiting at one... >> >> Are they closed union shop like the Eastern ones? I hate having to >> pay those guy to do trivial stuff. Dreyage, my a**. 8-( And an >> electrician every time, even if the stuff just plugged in. > >Isn't it amazing the accidental nightime damage that can occur as a >result of supplying your own ashtrays (back when smoking was good) >or anything else.Jacob Javits Center? I've never done that venue, but I've heard stories. Best regards, Spehro Pefhany -- "it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward" speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: http://www.trexon.com Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com
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Spehro Pefhany wrote:> On Mon, 10 Jan 2005 23:59:15 GMT, the renowned CBFalconer > <cbfalconer@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>Spehro Pefhany wrote: >> >>><jstewart@jkmicro.com> wrote: >>> >> >>... snip ... >> >>>>If you think it's expensive to go to SF to see >>>>a conference, just try exhibiting at one... >>> >>>Are they closed union shop like the Eastern ones? I hate having to >>>pay those guy to do trivial stuff. Dreyage, my a**. 8-( And an >>>electrician every time, even if the stuff just plugged in. >> >>Isn't it amazing the accidental nightime damage that can occur as a >>result of supplying your own ashtrays (back when smoking was good) >>or anything else. > > > Jacob Javits Center? I've never done that venue, but I've heard > stories.Years ago I was setting up an exhibit in Brooks Hall, the old SF WESCON venue. I got knocked on my ass from a union-electrician-supplied power pigtail that had hot and ground interchanged. So yeah, better let the people in charge do the work for you...> > Best regards, > Spehro Pefhany
