Roman Rumian wrote:> Hi Vladimir, > > Vladimir Vassilevsky napisał(a): > >> >> >> gold wrote: >> >>> Hi DSP Gurus, >>> Proponent of evolution who are dying to prove its validity should read >>> this book based on solid scientific evidence to disprove darwinism. It >>> has also colorful pictures and easy to read. >> >> It is quite obvious that Darwinism and evolution have many problems. >> The question is if the authors can suggest anything better than that. > > what problem ? > With proving that man wasn't crated by God ? > > It is overuse of Darwin theory. Evolution is so easy obserwated, also as > a development/ design method, but it cannot explain universe creation.Sure. To repeat what I've written before, evolution -- both Darwin's original outline and the modern version(s)* -- deal with the origin of species, not with the origin of life. Creationists easily confuse these issues. Such careless reasoning doesn't help their stature.> So, the dogma that the God is the crator is also still valid hypothesis. > > BTW, what agnostics think or say about exorcisms ?The same that they think about channeling the dead. Jerry _______________________________________________ * Evolution, like geology, physics, medicine, ... [long list cut] is an evolving science, not something once written in a book and valid for ever and ever, amen. Creationists need to recognize that too. -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
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Started by ●December 22, 2005
Reply by ●December 29, 20052005-12-29
Reply by ●December 29, 20052005-12-29
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 17:42:52 -0500, "John E. Hadstate" <jh113355@hotmail.com> wrote:>"Jerry Avins" <jya@ieee.org> wrote in message >news:ifKdnfPFa83fGzDenZ2dnUVZ_vidnZ2d@rcn.net... >> John E. Hadstate wrote: >>> Douglas Adams' story about the Earth being populated by a >>> load of hairdressers and middle-managers from a crashed >>> spacecraft ....>> Here's how it came about: Long ago, a disabled spaceship >> landed on Earth. Repairs required more effort than the >> crew alone could exert...>That's very close, but the real story was told to me by my >Dad, who heard it from his Dad, whose cousin.... >Regardless of whether it's true, I think this story makes a >lot more sense than anything I've heard out of the God >Squad, and probably is at least as supportable as the theory >that all of us evolved from pond scum.Very charming, but I'm afraid Howard Fast's short story "Cephes-5", in his book "A touch of Infinity", is probably closer to the truth... Now back to reality embodied in this recalcitrant TI F2812 dsp ... Roberto Waltman [ Please reply to the group, ] [ return address is invalid. ]
Reply by ●December 30, 20052005-12-30
gold wrote:> Hi DSP Gurus, > Proponent of evolution who are dying to prove its validity should read > this book based on solid scientific evidence to disprove darwinism. It > has also colorful pictures and easy to read.I know I'm late to the party... Couldn't "god" create evolution? Tom
Reply by ●December 30, 20052005-12-30
tomstdenis@gmail.com wrote:> gold wrote: > >>Hi DSP Gurus, >>Proponent of evolution who are dying to prove its validity should read >>this book based on solid scientific evidence to disprove darwinism. It >>has also colorful pictures and easy to read. > > > I know I'm late to the party... > > Couldn't "god" create evolution?Sure, why not? The only thing thing I'm sure God can't create is a puzzle with an answer, but which She can't solve. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
Reply by ●December 30, 20052005-12-30
Jerry Avins wrote:> > I know I'm late to the party... > > > > Couldn't "god" create evolution? > > Sure, why not? The only thing thing I'm sure God can't create is a > puzzle with an answer, but which She can't solve.Just so we're clear ... I'm not a god spouting bible thumper. I just like asking that question to diehard jesus fans to get them thinking that maybe they don't have the answers :-) Tom
Reply by ●December 31, 20052005-12-31
On 30 Dec 2005 17:47:07 -0800, tomstdenis@gmail.com wrote:> >gold wrote: >> Hi DSP Gurus, >> Proponent of evolution who are dying to prove its validity should read >> this book based on solid scientific evidence to disprove darwinism. It >> has also colorful pictures and easy to read. > >I know I'm late to the party... > >Couldn't "god" create evolution? >More interesting is the reverse: could Evolution create gods?
Reply by ●December 31, 20052005-12-31
Just Cocky wrote: ..>>Couldn't "god" create evolution? >> > More interesting is the reverse: could Evolution create gods?Teilhard De Chardin certainly seems to argue for this - it is the fundamental premise of "The Phenomenon of Man" (though I doubt he would have accepted plural "gods"): the increasing complexity of organisms culminates first in Man ("Hominisation" and the "Noosphere"), and ultimately in the "Omega Point" identified by him as a final Unity towards which the 'arrow of evolution' (my term, by association with the "arrow of time") is ineluctably directed. He was of course primarily a Jesuit mystic, but also a siginificant palaeontologist who fully embraced the evolutionary paradigm. He might well have argued that the ID people have got the wrong end of the stick so to speak, by focussing so much on beginnings, whereas the proper (and far more useful) focus of interest should be on destinations. Perhaps that is not quite the right obverse question. Leaving the matter of whether it is appropriate to impute any form of intention to Evolution, one could propose that Evolution has led to mankind and hence to the capacity for moral etc reflection ( hence the whimsical searches for the "God Gene"); maybe the large brain and bipedalism are (given the presence of gravity) the two evolutionary steps that have to combine to develop this capacity to look into the future as well as into the past, and to derive meaning from things observed. So perhaps the question should be: Could Evolution create lifeforms that can form a conception of a god? With the benefit of hindsight we are almost bound to say Yes because humans have evolved, and have formed conceptions of god(s). But whether anyone could formulate a model that can predict such a thing from first principles is another matter; I suspect not. The scientific model of evolution is primarily that of survival through random mutation and adaptation, and evolutionists carefully avoid any suggestion of some "agenda" or goal to evolution, any more than there was a "purpose" to the big Bang. But I feel compelled to note that the mind-boggling complexity that represents our best guess so far of that inflationary Event and all that followed (quantum non-locality etc) was surely not destined to manifest anything simple. And it seems that even the Ether is coming in out of the cold these days, in the form of the Higgs Ocean. The Sufis would be delighted with that, just as the Buddhists would be delighted to hear physicists suggest (as I read in Brian Greene's book "The Fabric of the Cosmos") that even spacetime itself is really an illusion, a veil over a deeper reality. So this leads to a further form of the question: Could Evolution create Science? Richard Dobson
Reply by ●December 31, 20052005-12-31
tomstdenis@gmail.com wrote:> Jerry Avins wrote: > >>>I know I'm late to the party... >>> >>>Couldn't "god" create evolution? >> >>Sure, why not? The only thing thing I'm sure God can't create is a >>puzzle with an answer, but which She can't solve. > > > Just so we're clear ... I'm not a god spouting bible thumper. > > I just like asking that question to diehard jesus fans to get them > thinking that maybe they don't have the answers :-)It's a good question, but it won't help. As far as I can see, science and religion are orthogonal. The "diehard Jesus fans", as you characterize them, believe that the Bible holds all the answers to everything, so contradictions don't faze them. (There are lots of contradictions in the Bible. Most believers can accept that and still measure Avogadro's number.) Jerry -- My father and I know everything. Oh that? Well, my father knows that. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
Reply by ●December 31, 20052005-12-31
Jerry Avins wrote:> It's a good question, but it won't help. As far as I can see, science > and religion are orthogonal. The "diehard Jesus fans", as you > characterize them, believe that the Bible holds all the answers to > everything, so contradictions don't faze them. (There are lots of > contradictions in the Bible. Most believers can accept that and still > measure Avogadro's number.)I don't think they're so separate. You can be a die hard jesus fan and not totally ignorant. I think it's just they're lazy and they believe whatever someone ELSE tells them. Cuz there are a lot of diehard fans out there all with different lifestyles, social values, etc. It's all up to their interpretation not some single holy word from a "god". It's entirely possible that Genesis is talking about the creation of evolving species :-) Tom
Reply by ●December 31, 20052005-12-31
Tom St Denis wrote: ...> I don't think they're so separate. You can be a die hard jesus fan and > not totally ignorant. I think it's just they're lazy and they believe > whatever someone ELSE tells them. Cuz there are a lot of diehard fans > out there all with different lifestyles, social values, etc. It's all > up to their interpretation not some single holy word from a "god".Yes, but each one of them believes that his is the One True Interpretation (and often makes war on others of like mindset). Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
