Grant Griffin wrote: ...> Coincidently, I just discovered a pre-planned slot for a list like this > on dspGuru; it's been there for quite some time, but has been unfilled. > (See the "DSP Reference" page at > http://www.dspguru.com/info/refinfo.htm.) So maybe I can get it filled > within the next few days.Actually, I got it done this morning! See dspGuru's "Free Online Digital Signal Processing Books" page at http://dspguru.com/info/books/online.htm. It includes many of the books mentioned in this thread; I'll try to add more later. The page currently is organized in three sections: complete books in PDF form, sample chapters, and book-like web pages. While working on the "sample chapters" section (which, BTW, includes the onee from Rick's book), I realized that there might be significant value in rounding up as many of these as possible; in effect, if you pull together enough sample chapters--which seem to cover a variety of DSP topics--you've got a sort of virtual DSP book. So, I would like to supplement Rick's request by asking for links to any useful DSP sample chapters that anyone knows of. (By "sample chapter", I mean a true chapter from a published DSP book, not a web tutorial.) thanks, =g2 _____________________________________________________________________ Grant R. Griffin Publisher of dspGuru http://www.dspguru.com Iowegian International Corporation http://www.iowegian.com See http://www.iowegian.com/img/contact.gif for e-mail address
Online signal processing books
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Reply by ●March 10, 20062006-03-10
Al Clark wrote: ...> Incoming and Outgoing links are important for Google positioning. A list > on dspguru, will slowly boost its ranking position....> As some of you know, we discussed a newer "dspguru" like page a few > month's ago. Danville even has the various compdsp. domain names. Now > that Grant is back, I see no reason to pursue this.... If Bugs Bunny had written that, I think he would have added, "Ain't I a stinker?" ;-) easily-beFudd-led-ly y'rs, =g2 _____________________________________________________________________ Grant R. Griffin Publisher of dspGuru http://www.dspguru.com Iowegian International Corporation http://www.iowegian.com See http://www.iowegian.com/img/contact.gif for e-mail address
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Grant Griffin <nospam@yahoo.com> writes:> Al Clark wrote: > ... >> Incoming and Outgoing links are important for Google positioning. A >> list on dspguru, will slowly boost its ranking position. > ... >> As some of you know, we discussed a newer "dspguru" like page a few >> month's ago. Danville even has the various compdsp. domain >> names. Now that Grant is back, I see no reason to pursue this. > ... > > If Bugs Bunny had written that, I think he would have added, "Ain't I > a stinker?" ;-) > > easily-beFudd-led-ly y'rs,I still think it would be a better idea to have a comp.dsp website that stands independently of any one person/company/entity. It could have adverstisements/links to sites like Al's and Grant's, though. In fact, such advertisements could easily cover the cost of maintaining such a domain. It just seems more impartial/unbiased that way. When folks go there they would know they're not going to be coerced to buy someone's product and that no one's scheming lies behind the site - it would just give access to pure, unbiased information on DSP. Think of it like this: what if the IEEE Signal Processing journal was owned by someone? Wouldn't that detract from its appeal as impartial/unbiased? -- % Randy Yates % "Midnight, on the water... %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % I saw... the ocean's daughter." %%% 919-577-9882 % 'Can't Get It Out Of My Head' %%%% <yates@ieee.org> % *El Dorado*, Electric Light Orchestra http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr
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Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> writes:> [...] > In fact, such advertisements could easily cover the cost of > maintaining such a domain.In fact <ding!>, such advertisements could perhaps fund more comp.dsp conferences, paying for the venue and the preparations. We might even afford to pay some really great guest speakers! --RY -- % Randy Yates % "And all that I can do %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % is say I'm sorry, %%% 919-577-9882 % that's the way it goes..." %%%% <yates@ieee.org> % Getting To The Point', *Balance of Power*, ELO http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr
Reply by ●March 10, 20062006-03-10
Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> wrote in news:m364mmdvsh.fsf@ieee.org:> Grant Griffin <nospam@yahoo.com> writes: > >> Al Clark wrote: >> ... >>> Incoming and Outgoing links are important for Google positioning. A >>> list on dspguru, will slowly boost its ranking position. >> ... >>> As some of you know, we discussed a newer "dspguru" like page a few >>> month's ago. Danville even has the various compdsp. domain >>> names. Now that Grant is back, I see no reason to pursue this. >> ... >> >> If Bugs Bunny had written that, I think he would have added, "Ain't I >> a stinker?" ;-) >> >> easily-beFudd-led-ly y'rs, > > I still think it would be a better idea to have a comp.dsp website > that stands independently of any one person/company/entity. It could > have adverstisements/links to sites like Al's and Grant's, though. In > fact, such advertisements could easily cover the cost of maintaining > such a domain. > > It just seems more impartial/unbiased that way. When folks go there > they would know they're not going to be coerced to buy someone's > product and that no one's scheming lies behind the site - it would > just give access to pure, unbiased information on DSP. > > Think of it like this: what if the IEEE Signal Processing journal > was owned by someone? Wouldn't that detract from its appeal as > impartial/unbiased?I basically have no problems with this idea. I suggested that we have a small group of editors that would be like moderators. The main reason for corporate (business) sponsorship is that things get done. Volunteer organizations typically have the problem of being unable to make decisions and execute a plan. For example, several years ago Danville sponsored the comp.dsp conference. It largely happened because I appointed myself and then recruited a politburo of helpers. All the earlier discussions of something similar always seemed to fizzle out after some initial interest. In a very similar situation, Grant decided to put together the dspguru resource. He did most the work and got it going. I imagine that he thought it might help him sell a few more copies of ScopeFIR. We all understood that. I don't think I would want to create a blantantly biased site and I don't think this is a fair critisism of dspguru either. I don't think IEEE is exactly unbiased either. I am a member and I certainly have many disagreements over certain IEEE views (H1-B for example). In my view, IEEE is heavily biased towards academia and researchers and less relevant to practicing engineers. I not trying to bash IEEE, I just am pointing out that all groups have their own agenda. I think that this can be OK, as long as we understand what the agenda is and that the venue is appropriate. When I suggested creating a compdsp site, my thoughts were that it would be nice to bring a few of the resourses together at one site, (dspguru tricks, FAQ, etc) and also I wanted to help create additional traffic to our commercial site (which certainly is biased to our view). At the time, Grant was MIA, so I thought we had a gap to fill. I purchased the domain names to preserve options and avoid mischief from the usual suspects while we were discussing the possibilities. -- Al Clark Danville Signal Processing, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Purveyors of Fine DSP Hardware and other Cool Stuff Available at http://www.danvillesignal.com
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Randy Yates wrote:> I still think it would be a better idea to have a comp.dsp website > that stands independently of any one person/company/entity. It could > have adverstisements/links to sites like Al's and Grant's, though. In > fact, such advertisements could easily cover the cost of maintaining > such a domain. > > It just seems more impartial/unbiased that way. When folks go there > they would know they're not going to be coerced to buy someone's > product and that no one's scheming lies behind the site - it would > just give access to pure, unbiased information on DSP.How about a lightly moderated comp.dsp wiki site? Or we could just up the quality of the content on the wikipedia entry on digital signal processing. IMHO. YMMV. -- rhn A.T nicholson d.0.t C-o-M
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Randy Yates wrote:> Grant Griffin <nospam@yahoo.com> writes: > > >>Al Clark wrote: >>... >> >>>Incoming and Outgoing links are important for Google positioning. A >>>list on dspguru, will slowly boost its ranking position. >> >>... >> >>>As some of you know, we discussed a newer "dspguru" like page a few >>>month's ago. Danville even has the various compdsp. domain >>>names. Now that Grant is back, I see no reason to pursue this. >> >>... >> >>If Bugs Bunny had written that, I think he would have added, "Ain't I >>a stinker?" ;-) >> >>easily-beFudd-led-ly y'rs, > > > I still think it would be a better idea to have a comp.dsp website > that stands independently of any one person/company/entity. It could > have adverstisements/links to sites like Al's and Grant's, though. In > fact, such advertisements could easily cover the cost of maintaining > such a domain. > > It just seems more impartial/unbiased that way. When folks go there > they would know they're not going to be coerced to buy someone's > product and that no one's scheming lies behind the site - it would > just give access to pure, unbiased information on DSP. > > Think of it like this: what if the IEEE Signal Processing journal > was owned by someone? Wouldn't that detract from its appeal as > impartial/unbiased?That would depend on how it was run. A company that invited its competitors to contribute would get a lot if respect. Does it matter to you that BDTI hosts the FAQ? Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
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Jerry Avins wrote: ...> That would depend on how it was run. A company that invited its > competitors to contribute would get a lot if respect.Coincidently, even though ScopeFIR is Iowegian's primary product, I promptly added a "Digital Filter Design Software" page to dspGuru several years ago in response to someone saying here that dspGuru should have such a thing. Of course, one doesn't want to give free advertising to one's competitors. Even so, I realized that dspGuru _should_ have such a thing. I soon realized that it was actually an opportunity to display ScopeFIR prominently. Is this shameless hucksterism or a good business practice? Yes. Successful marketers market. (Not that I'm particularly successful. ;-) For example, I especially admire the Disney folks for their shameless hucksterism. In fact, when I visited Disney World last year, whenever we rode their bus between locations, we were subjected to a poster of their (then) upcoming movie "Herbie the Love Bug" in the bus's poster area above the seats. As a tourist, I wondered if they really needed to do that--weren't getting enough revenue from me without _that_? But as a businessman, I understand and admire.> Does it matter to > you that BDTI hosts the FAQ?Not one bit. They have to do the work, and they gain the benefits (whatever _those_ might be. ;-) That's entirely fair. And from my perspective at dspGuru, it's a pretty good deal: I don't have to do anything at all to serve up comp.dsp FAQ but link to the BDTI site. =g2 _____________________________________________________________________ Grant R. Griffin Publisher of dspGuru http://www.dspguru.com Iowegian International Corporation http://www.iowegian.com See http://www.iowegian.com/img/contact.gif for e-mail address
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Randy Yates wrote:> Grant Griffin <nospam@yahoo.com> writes:...> I still think it would be a better idea to have a comp.dsp website > that stands independently of any one person/company/entity.I'm not sure that that's really feasible. Even in the world of open source software, somebody "owns" it in the sense of exerting control and leadership: Linux has Linus, Python has Guido, GNU has Stallman. (Poor GNU. ;-) Sadly, the essence of leadership in these volunteer projects is that the leader gets to do most of the work. In fact, the most successful such leaders are those who succeed at getting others to do a _little_ of the work. > It could> have adverstisements/links to sites like Al's and Grant's, though. In > fact, such advertisements could easily cover the cost of maintaining > such a domain.OK, I'll let everbody in on a dirty little secret: dspGuru isn't the gold mine you folks think about it. Here are some approximate yearly numbers: Revenue: $550 (from Amazon book sales) Expenses: $180 (web rent) ------ Net Profit: $370 (wages for slavery rendered) This doesn't count the dollar value I receive by advertising ScopeFIR on dspGuru, but I have no way of determining what that actually is. There are opportunities to expand the revenue. However, that would involve additional slavery, so it's unclear to me if the $/hr of slavery would improve. Also, if one takes the premise that dspGuru provides some sort of unofficial web presence for comp.dsp (which is how I originally envisioned it), one runs into the problem that the more commercial it becomes, the less people want to contribute. They think, "Why should I bust my *ss lining Grant's pockets?" So, I've tried to strike a balance between commericalism (to pay the bills, and to give me a _microscopic_ small hourly wage) and community involvement (to give you folks a _zero_ hourly wage. ;-) Of course, no matter what one does, one will face criticism and one's motives will be questioned. But from the very beginning of dspGuru, I was very clear about a few things: - It's a commercial venture (if for no other reason than to pay its web rent--sorry, I ain't footin' the bill for _that_.) - As much as possible, I'd like it to be a community project. - I wasn't trying to take over or control comp.dsp in any way. (We had had enough of that sort of thing by you-know-who at the time.) That's why I explicitly did not take any form of "comp.dsp" domain name at the time or since--even though they were available until very recently. In fact, dspGuru's page about comp.dsp is called "The _Unofficial_ comp.dsp Home Page". I agree that, in the abstract, such a thing should be a non-commercial venture. But you'll notice that nobody is lining up to "make it so".> It just seems more impartial/unbiased that way. When folks go there > they would know they're not going to be coerced to buy someone's > product and that no one's scheming lies behind the site - it would > just give access to pure, unbiased information on DSP.Rather than "coercion", I prefer to think of advertising in its many forms an efficient mechanism for "micro payments". Let's suppose, for example, that I make an average of $0.000001 for every page viewed on dspGuru. (Probably a gross overestimate. ;-) There's no known method other than advertising to collect that payment for less than the cost of the payment itself.> Think of it like this: what if the IEEE Signal Processing journal > was owned by someone? Wouldn't that detract from its appeal as > impartial/unbiased?Sure. But whether or not somebody "owns" it, somebody has to provide leadership. And I bet the folks who run the IEEE are getting paid for their efforts. So what's the difference? I don't know about the IEEE, but it's quite shocking what some people who run "non-profit" organizations make. (See http://charitywatch.org/ for some examples.) So, which do you prefer: a rich wolf in sheep's clothing or a poor wolf in wolf's clothing? naked-ly y'rs, =g2 _____________________________________________________________________ Grant R. Griffin Publisher of dspGuru http://www.dspguru.com Iowegian International Corporation http://www.iowegian.com See http://www.iowegian.com/img/contact.gif for e-mail address
Reply by ●March 10, 20062006-03-10
Al Clark wrote: ...> I basically have no problems with this idea. I suggested that we have a > small group of editors that would be like moderators. The main reason for > corporate (business) sponsorship is that things get done. Volunteer > organizations typically have the problem of being unable to make > decisions and execute a plan. For example, several years ago Danville > sponsored the comp.dsp conference. It largely happened because I > appointed myself and then recruited a politburo of helpers. All the > earlier discussions of something similar always seemed to fizzle out > after some initial interest. > > In a very similar situation, Grant decided to put together the dspguru > resource. He did most the work and got it going. I imagine that he > thought it might help him sell a few more copies of ScopeFIR. We all > understood that.Whew! Now I know that at least _somebody_ did! :-)> > I don't think I would want to create a blantantly biased site and I don't > think this is a fair critisism of dspguru either.Thanks, Al. Although dspGuru is fundamentally a business venture, I do try to strike a balance. And I believe it's completely possible to serve the needs of the people who _use_ dspGuru to learn something at the same time that I try to sell them something. (Kindda like a game show. ;-)> When I suggested creating a compdsp site, my thoughts were that it would > be nice to bring a few of the resourses together at one site, (dspguru > tricks, FAQ, etc) and also I wanted to help create additional traffic to > our commercial site (which certainly is biased to our view).I guess I don't see any need to bring anything together except links. dspGuru actually started life as something I put together about 8 years ago called "SPLAT", which stood for "Signal Processing Links Arranged Taxonomically". The links on dspGuru have grown rather stale because I haven't updated them for quite awhile. But I hope to begin remedying that soon. Also, although plenty of people have their own web sites available to self-publish any DSP material they've written, several of the folks at comp.dsp didn't seem to--or maybe didn't want to spend the time and energy learning how to do web publishing. So I saw the need to supplement what started as a DSP links site with whatever DSP material anybody was itching to get out on the web--including lots that I was itching to get out on the web myself. Then I discovered that not too many people wanted to contribute anything substantial, and that even when they did, it involved a lot of web-publishing work for me. And it's hard to sustain an interest in dull work like that when nobody's paying you.> At the time, > Grant was MIA, so I thought we had a gap to fill.The fact that I've shown up again, in theory, would only make the gap bigger, because dspGuru needs a lot of updating. But strangely, in all this discussion, nobody has been ringing my e-mail off the hook volunteering to: - contribute new articles - fix broken links - add new links - improve cosmetics and convert dspGuru to modern HTML thingies like CSS and Javascript (If all that sounds like more slavery than any one person would want to do for free in his spare time, that might explain why this one person hasn't done it for free in his spare time. ;-) > I purchased the domain> names to preserve options and avoid mischief from the usual suspects > while we were discussing the possibilities.I guess I explicitly didn't purchase them in order not to be suspected. In any event, as the name "Amazon" amply demonstrates, it's not about the domain name--"Amazon" doesn't seem to have anything at all to do with selling books--it's about the site that you build under the name. =g2 _____________________________________________________________________ Grant R. Griffin Publisher of dspGuru http://www.dspguru.com Iowegian International Corporation http://www.iowegian.com See http://www.iowegian.com/img/contact.gif for e-mail address
