So try http://www.proles.net/emailencoder/ No JS, no spam, no pain. It works.","datePublished":"2006-04-07T22:24:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Anonymous"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"robert bristow-johnson wrote: > > Well, the subject line did say \"shameless\". > > but that doesn't show in Google Groups. i dunno, but i guess it's an Yes it does, at least in comp.arch.embedded.","datePublished":"2006-04-07T23:42:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"larwe"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:33:51 -0700, Tim Wescott wrote: >John Larkin wrote: > >> On 7 Apr 2006 06:49:20 -0700, \"larwe\" wrote: >> >> >>>rex wrote: >>> >>> >>>>>\"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems\". By me. >>>> >>>>How software specific is it? In other words, do you think it covers the >>> >>>I was involved in the copyediting / technical commentary side of this >>>book. _My_ answer to your question (as a disinterested third party who >>>has read the book in probably more detail than the average skimmer) is >>>that as long as you can transform mathematical models into analog >>>circuits, the text is pretty agnostic as to HW vs SW implementation. >>> >>>A filter is a filter. A summing stage is a summing stage. It doesn't >>>really matter if this is bits moving inside a DSP or implemented as a >>>fistful of R/C/L/opamps. If I recall correctly, there's no sample code >>>with the book, or if there is it's minimal/pseudo, so there is really >>>no bias. >> >> >> Does it hit on the practical stuff, like windup, slew issues, >> saturation, auto/manual bumpless transfer, the nonlinear nasties? >> >> John >> >I think I passed over bumpless transfer entirely -- I have an extreme >distaste for changing modes, so even though I've implemented systems >with bumpless transfer it didn't make it into the book. > >I do go into how to limit slew rates elegantly, although not by that name. I make one temperature controller that *cannot* overshoot... it might poach a biological sample that a thousand rabbits died to make. We slew-limit the user's setpoint before we go into the loop and, when we get within 5 degrees of the target, cut the slew rate by 5:1 to creep up on the final value. Anti-windup on the integrator, too, just in case. Seems to me that control theorists love advanced linear algorithms, when 95% of servo loops are fine with P-I and occasionally P-I-D, but it's the startup/shutdown/windup/slew conditions that are the real challenges. John","datePublished":"2006-04-07T23:48:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"John Larkin"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 21:24:36 -0400, Mike Monett wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: > >[...] > >>But I see no need for scripting on web sites... and it's dangerous. >> >> ...Jim Thompson > >Yes, Jim, forcing people to use javascript is a very bad idea: > > http://www.analog-innovations.com/SafeMailTo.html > > > >So try > > http://www.proles.net/emailencoder/ > >No JS, no spam, no pain. It works. Yep. It's a Java encoder that I scarfed from someplace I can't even remember. I'll look up your reference and see what it does. Some ass has enrolled that address in some spam sites :-( So I'll probably go with some kind of form method. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.","datePublished":"2006-04-07T23:53:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jim Thompson"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"John Larkin wrote: > On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:33:51 -0700, Tim Wescott > wrote: > > >>John Larkin wrote: >> >> >>>On 7 Apr 2006 06:49:20 -0700, \"larwe\" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>rex wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>\"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems\". By me. >>>>> >>>>>How software specific is it? In other words, do you think it covers the >>>> >>>>I was involved in the copyediting / technical commentary side of this >>>>book. _My_ answer to your question (as a disinterested third party who >>>>has read the book in probably more detail than the average skimmer) is >>>>that as long as you can transform mathematical models into analog >>>>circuits, the text is pretty agnostic as to HW vs SW implementation. >>>> >>>>A filter is a filter. A summing stage is a summing stage. It doesn't >>>>really matter if this is bits moving inside a DSP or implemented as a >>>>fistful of R/C/L/opamps. If I recall correctly, there's no sample code >>>>with the book, or if there is it's minimal/pseudo, so there is really >>>>no bias. >>> >>> >>>Does it hit on the practical stuff, like windup, slew issues, >>>saturation, auto/manual bumpless transfer, the nonlinear nasties? >>> >>>John >>> >> >>I think I passed over bumpless transfer entirely -- I have an extreme >>distaste for changing modes, so even though I've implemented systems >>with bumpless transfer it didn't make it into the book. >> >>I do go into how to limit slew rates elegantly, although not by that name. > > > I make one temperature controller that *cannot* overshoot... it might > poach a biological sample that a thousand rabbits died to make. We > slew-limit the user's setpoint before we go into the loop and, when we > get within 5 degrees of the target, cut the slew rate by 5:1 to creep > up on the final value. Anti-windup on the integrator, too, just in > case. > > Seems to me that control theorists love advanced linear algorithms, > when 95% of servo loops are fine with P-I and occasionally P-I-D, but > it's the startup/shutdown/windup/slew conditions that are the real > challenges. > > John My favourite control paper: \"An Electronic Throttle Control Strategy Including Compensation of Friction and Limp-Home Effects\" J. Deur, D. Pavkovic, N. Peric, M. Jansz, D. Hrovat, IEEE Industrial Applications May/June 2004 vol. 40 no. 3 p.821 Cheers Terry","datePublished":"2006-04-08T00:50:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Terry Given"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"larwe wrote: > robert bristow-johnson wrote: > >>> Well, the subject line did say \"shameless\". >> >> but that doesn't show in Google Groups. i dunno, but i guess > > Yes it does, at least in comp.arch.embedded. The immediate replies to Tims post were all from google, and they all elided the \"[shameless]\" portion. Just one more of the failings of the google interface. Have they no shame? -- \"If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use the broken \"Reply\" link at the bottom of the article. Click on \"show options\" at the top of the article, then click on the \"Reply\" at the bottom of the article headers.\" - Keith Thompson More details at: Also see","datePublished":"2006-04-08T05:18:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"CBFalconer"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"larwe wrote: > Tim Wescott wrote: > >> If you go through the Powell's link they give me a kickback, but I >> get > > Have you set up Amazon.com Associates? The good thing about Amazon is > that you get a kickback for other things people buy in the same > session. For instance, I wrote some articles using the Mac mini and > did an associates link to the mini on my web site; a few people who > bought minis through that link bought me a couple of pizzas. > > Of course I do learn a lot of distasteful things about the stuff > people buy... for quite a while my first book's page showed > context-sensitive advertising saying that people who bought this book > also bought various sex books and videos... :) And what do you make > of someone who buys two commercial DVD movies and 100 50-disk > spindles of blank DVD-Rs in the one session? If he wants to copy the movie, he rents it for 3bucks in the videothek. -- ciao Ban Apricale, Italy","datePublished":"2006-04-08T05:37:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Ban"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Tim Wescott wrote: > \"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems\". By me. > > The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the > Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it > drop-shipped to their booth. > > It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched > headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for > control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and > even folks who are already experienced with both. > > You can get it from my favorite bookstore: > http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/s?kw=Wescott+Tim. > > You can see what Elsevier says about it: > http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/707797/description#description > > > If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and > contact me by email with bad reviews. > > Thanks. > It hasn't made \"Read the Can't Miss List!\" or special offers in their BestBetBooks in Electronic & Electrical Engineering flyers, so I'll wait until December when they dump it at 40% off. They are currently trying to push Modeling and Verification Using UML Statecharts A Working Guide to Reactive System Design, Runtime Monitoring and Execution-based Model Checking- by Drusinsky http://books.elsevier.com/us//computereng/us/subindex.asp?maintarget=&isbn=0750679492&country=United+States&srccode=80497&ref=&subcode=&head=&pdf=&basiccode=&txtSearch=&SearchField=&operator=&order=&community=computereng I wonder if that delivers any value; I'm suspicious of these flash-and-dazzle things that spend all of one page per major topic- just overview crap.","datePublished":"2006-04-08T09:25:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Fred Bloggs"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Fred Bloggs wrote: ... > I wonder if that delivers any value; I'm suspicious of these > flash-and-dazzle things that spend all of one page per major topic- just > overview crap. Given what I've seen of Tim's other writings -- http://www.embedded.com/2000/0010/0010feat3.htm is an example -- and the insightful help he dispenses in the newsgroups in this cross posting, I think you're overly pessimistic. I'll buy it and see. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????","datePublished":"2006-04-08T10:55:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jerry Avins"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jerry Avins wrote: > Fred Bloggs wrote: > > ... > >> I wonder if that delivers any value; I'm suspicious of these >> flash-and-dazzle things that spend all of one page per major topic- >> just overview crap. > > > Given what I've seen of Tim's other writings -- > http://www.embedded.com/2000/0010/0010feat3.htm is an example -- and the > insightful help he dispenses in the newsgroups in this cross posting, I > think you're overly pessimistic. I'll buy it and see. > > Jerry I was referring to Drusinsky and not Wescott. But $20 per hectopage seems a bit steep for a paperback...","datePublished":"2006-04-08T11:16:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Fred Bloggs"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"CBFalconer wrote: > The immediate replies to Tims post were all from google, and they > all elided the \"[shameless]\" portion. Just one more of the > failings of the google interface. Have they no shame? Oh, the humanity!","datePublished":"2006-04-08T11:31:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"larwe"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"CBFalconer wrote: > The immediate replies to Tims post were all from google, and they > all elided the \"[shameless]\" portion. Just one more of the > failings of the google interface. Have they no shame? They're too busy taking over the world ... May all gods help them do that!! I'm so depressed, living in a world owned by Microsoft!!! ;-) Carlos --","datePublished":"2006-04-08T11:43:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Carlos Moreno"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"CBFalconer writes: > The immediate replies to Tims post were all from google, and they > all elided the \"[shameless]\" portion. Just one more of the > failings of the google interface. Have they no shame? That's *really* bad if it also elides [OT]. -- John Devereux","datePublished":"2006-04-08T11:55:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"John Devereux"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"John Larkin wrote: > On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:33:51 -0700, Tim Wescott > wrote: > > >>John Larkin wrote: >> >> >>>On 7 Apr 2006 06:49:20 -0700, \"larwe\" wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>rex wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>\"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems\". By me. >>>>> >>>>>How software specific is it? In other words, do you think it covers the >>>> >>>>I was involved in the copyediting / technical commentary side of this >>>>book. _My_ answer to your question (as a disinterested third party who >>>>has read the book in probably more detail than the average skimmer) is >>>>that as long as you can transform mathematical models into analog >>>>circuits, the text is pretty agnostic as to HW vs SW implementation. >>>> >>>>A filter is a filter. A summing stage is a summing stage. It doesn't >>>>really matter if this is bits moving inside a DSP or implemented as a >>>>fistful of R/C/L/opamps. If I recall correctly, there's no sample code >>>>with the book, or if there is it's minimal/pseudo, so there is really >>>>no bias. >>> >>> >>>Does it hit on the practical stuff, like windup, slew issues, >>>saturation, auto/manual bumpless transfer, the nonlinear nasties? >>> >>>John >>> >> >>I think I passed over bumpless transfer entirely -- I have an extreme >>distaste for changing modes, so even though I've implemented systems >>with bumpless transfer it didn't make it into the book. >> >>I do go into how to limit slew rates elegantly, although not by that name. > > > I make one temperature controller that *cannot* overshoot... it might > poach a biological sample that a thousand rabbits died to make. We > slew-limit the user's setpoint before we go into the loop and, when we > get within 5 degrees of the target, cut the slew rate by 5:1 to creep > up on the final value. Anti-windup on the integrator, too, just in > case. > > Seems to me that control theorists love advanced linear algorithms, > when 95% of servo loops are fine with P-I and occasionally P-I-D, but > it's the startup/shutdown/windup/slew conditions that are the real > challenges. > > John > > That's probably because its so hard to make any nonlinear results apply to anything that isn't the specific system that generated the results. General nonlinear results are hard to understand, hard to compute, and hard to determine whether they apply. So much of the thrust of control theory is about linear systems, and you're expected to make your nonlinear systems fit. I like your solution for three reasons: One, it's pragmatic -- I bet the PID controller inside is pretty standard. Two, you didn't have to use many nonlinear elements to make it work right. Three, (and this is my own personal quirk), the need for a nonlinear controller arises not because the _system_ is nonlinear, but because the cost function is not x^2 -- it's an important side of nonlinear control that's not always pointed out well. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/","datePublished":"2006-04-08T12:02:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Tim Wescott"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > Jerry Avins wrote: > >> Fred Bloggs wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> I wonder if that delivers any value; I'm suspicious of these >>> flash-and-dazzle things that spend all of one page per major topic- >>> just overview crap. >> >> >> >> Given what I've seen of Tim's other writings -- >> http://www.embedded.com/2000/0010/0010feat3.htm is an example -- and >> the insightful help he dispenses in the newsgroups in this cross >> posting, I think you're overly pessimistic. I'll buy it and see. >> >> Jerry > > > I was referring to Drusinsky and not Wescott. But $20 per hectopage > seems a bit steep for a paperback... > Hey, today it's ranked at 32000 in books. Yesterday it was 540000. At this time tomorrow it'll be better than 200000 books that haven't even been written yet :-). Apparently you're as much of a tightwad as me. I did discuss the pricing with my editor -- she was pretty adamant that it was the right price. Besides, you get a CD with code that not only illustrates cool functionality, but it compiles, it runs, and it's been tested & debugged. That's gotta be worth several hundred pages right there, eh? -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/","datePublished":"2006-04-08T12:09:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Tim Wescott"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Tim Wescott wrote: > Fred Bloggs wrote: > >> >> >> Jerry Avins wrote: >> >>> Fred Bloggs wrote: >>> >>> ... >>> >>>> I wonder if that delivers any value; I'm suspicious of these >>>> flash-and-dazzle things that spend all of one page per major topic- >>>> just overview crap. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Given what I've seen of Tim's other writings -- >>> http://www.embedded.com/2000/0010/0010feat3.htm is an example -- and >>> the insightful help he dispenses in the newsgroups in this cross >>> posting, I think you're overly pessimistic. I'll buy it and see. >>> >>> Jerry >> >> >> >> I was referring to Drusinsky and not Wescott. But $20 per hectopage >> seems a bit steep for a paperback... >> > Hey, today it's ranked at 32000 in books. Yesterday it was 540000. At > this time tomorrow it'll be better than 200000 books that haven't even > been written yet :-). > > Apparently you're as much of a tightwad as me. I did discuss the > pricing with my editor -- she was pretty adamant that it was the right > price. Besides, you get a CD with code that not only illustrates cool > functionality, but it compiles, it runs, and it's been tested & > debugged. That's gotta be worth several hundred pages right there, eh? > Is that Simulink code or something? I bought the Drusinsky book on sale, but if it turns into a pos, right back to Newnes it goes.","datePublished":"2006-04-08T12:27:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Fred Bloggs"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jim Thompson wrote: [...] >>So try >> >> http://www.proles.net/emailencoder/ >> >>No JS, no spam, no pain. It works. > >Yep. It's a Java encoder that I scarfed from someplace I can't even >remember. > >I'll look up your reference and see what it does. > >Some ass has enrolled that address in some spam sites :-( > >So I'll probably go with some kind of form method. > > ...Jim Thompson >-- >| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | >| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | >| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | >| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | >| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | >| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | > >I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. The encoder substitutes different methods of coding ascii. For example, the letter \"A\" can be expressed as decimal 65 or hex 41. The encoding is particularly effective if the \"mailto:\" prefix is included. A browser automatically restores the string and loads the email client, but email harvesters apparently don't have the capability to do any decoding. Maybe it takes too long, or they figure there are too many different methods and they don't have time to see if the decoded address is valid. I used to get large amounts of spam from my web site when the email address was in plain ascii, but haven't got a single spam message since I changed to this encoding method several years ago. One problem is when someone saves your address in their client, and they subscribe to some chat page that requires they download software. The software then goes through their address book and sends all the addresses to a spam site. You can tell what happened when you start getting spam messages saying so-and-so is waiting for you to join her chat site. In this case I used several different email adresses with spammotel so it was easy to see who had the problem. When your email address gets on a spam list, it is useless. The only solution seems to be to delete it and put a new one on your web site. As long as you tell everyone to use the contact page instead of saving your address in their client, they will be able to contact you with no problem. But anyone as popular as you should plan on changing email addresses regularly. SpamMotel is a bit of a pain when you want to reply to a message, so you need an ISP that allows you to manage your own addresses. I recently switched from sympatico to concito.net. This is the very best ISP I have ever seen. They charge $8.95/mo for 56k dialup, have local numbers all across the US and Canada, offer 20 email addresses you can manage yourself, and have a three year expiration on newsgroup postings, including binaries. So you can continue posting your pdf schematics to abse, and I can still get them years later! They are having a small problem with logging on newsgroups right now, but they say it's their upstream provider. They have been very responsive in the past, so I'll let them play for a while before starting to make load noises. Regards, Mike","datePublished":"2006-04-08T12:29:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Anonymous"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:55:33 -0400, in sci.electronics.design Jerry Avins wrote: >Fred Bloggs wrote: > > ... > >> I wonder if that delivers any value; I'm suspicious of these >> flash-and-dazzle things that spend all of one page per major topic- just >> overview crap. > >Given what I've seen of Tim's other writings -- >http://www.embedded.com/2000/0010/0010feat3.htm is an example -- Whay on earth do embedded.com always put the diagrams as hyperlinks instead of inserting in the web page in question? martin","datePublished":"2006-04-08T12:48:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"martin griffith"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:29:11 -0400, mike Moett wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: > >[...] > >>>So try >>> >>> http://www.proles.net/emailencoder/ >>> >>>No JS, no spam, no pain. It works. >> >>Yep. It's a Java encoder that I scarfed from someplace I can't even >>remember. >> >>I'll look up your reference and see what it does. >> >>Some ass has enrolled that address in some spam sites :-( >> >>So I'll probably go with some kind of form method. >> >> ...Jim Thompson [snip] > >The encoder substitutes different methods of coding ascii. For example, the >letter \"A\" can be expressed as decimal 65 or hex 41. The encoding is >particularly effective if the \"mailto:\" prefix is included. > >A browser automatically restores the string and loads the email client, but >email harvesters apparently don't have the capability to do any decoding. >Maybe it takes too long, or they figure there are too many different >methods and they don't have time to see if the decoded address is valid. > >I used to get large amounts of spam from my web site when the email address >was in plain ascii, but haven't got a single spam message since I changed >to this encoding method several years ago. One problem is when someone >saves your address in their client, and they subscribe to some chat page >that requires they download software. The software then goes through their >address book and sends all the addresses to a spam site. You can tell what >happened when you start getting spam messages saying so-and-so is waiting >for you to join her chat site. In this case I used several different email >adresses with spammotel so it was easy to see who had the problem. I think my hit was a \"manual\" job. I received an E-mail asking me to confirm my \"subscription\" to a blog site. I then received _one_ direct spam, but no more so far. > >When your email address gets on a spam list, it is useless. The only >solution seems to be to delete it and put a new one on your web site. As >long as you tell everyone to use the contact page instead of saving your >address in their client, they will be able to contact you with no problem. >But anyone as popular as you should plan on changing email addresses >regularly. I use the E-mail forwarding capability of my website, with currently 181 different addresses for the various accounts I have. > >SpamMotel is a bit of a pain when you want to reply to a message, so you >need an ISP that allows you to manage your own addresses. Most of my E-mail addresses never require a reply. For those that do I simply put a \"persona\" in place in Eudora. >I recently >switched from sympatico to concito.net. This is the very best ISP I have >ever seen. They charge $8.95/mo for 56k dialup, have local numbers all >across the US and Canada, offer 20 email addresses you can manage yourself, >and have a three year expiration on newsgroup postings, including binaries. >So you can continue posting your pdf schematics to abse, and I can still >get them years later! > >They are having a small problem with logging on newsgroups right now, but >they say it's their upstream provider. They have been very responsive in >the past, so I'll let them play for a while before starting to make load >noises. > >Regards, > >Mike My website costs me $19.95/month plus the Cox HSI is $39.95 ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.","datePublished":"2006-04-08T12:50:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jim Thompson"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Fred Bloggs wrote: > > > Tim Wescott wrote: > >> Fred Bloggs wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Jerry Avins wrote: >>> >>>> Fred Bloggs wrote: >>>> >>>> ... >>>> >>>>> I wonder if that delivers any value; I'm suspicious of these >>>>> flash-and-dazzle things that spend all of one page per major topic- >>>>> just overview crap. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Given what I've seen of Tim's other writings -- >>>> http://www.embedded.com/2000/0010/0010feat3.htm is an example -- and >>>> the insightful help he dispenses in the newsgroups in this cross >>>> posting, I think you're overly pessimistic. I'll buy it and see. >>>> >>>> Jerry >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I was referring to Drusinsky and not Wescott. But $20 per hectopage >>> seems a bit steep for a paperback... >>> >> Hey, today it's ranked at 32000 in books. Yesterday it was 540000. >> At this time tomorrow it'll be better than 200000 books that haven't >> even been written yet :-). >> >> Apparently you're as much of a tightwad as me. I did discuss the >> pricing with my editor -- she was pretty adamant that it was the right >> price. Besides, you get a CD with code that not only illustrates cool >> functionality, but it compiles, it runs, and it's been tested & >> debugged. That's gotta be worth several hundred pages right there, eh? >> > > Is that Simulink code or something? I bought the Drusinsky book on sale, > but if it turns into a pos, right back to Newnes it goes. > Or something -- I used SciLab to do the design exercises in the book. SciLab is a free MatLab replacement. In many ways it's better than MatLab, although it does fall down when you start trying to edit it's block diagrams (I really need to convince the SciLab team to do something about that). There's three classes of stuff on the CD: A SciLab install, SciLab code that generates many of the figures in the book, and incidentally provides examples of using SciLab, and a bunch of C code from chapters 9 and 10. The C code from chapter 9 is sample code for implementing swept-sine frequency response measurements from within the controller. The C code from chapter 10 is a set of code for implementing fractional arithmetic, plus a set of useful control system blocks implemented for integer arithmetic, fractional arithmetic, and floating point arithmetic. One could take my sample code and use it as library code for the core of a controller. Jerry mentioned looking at other things I've written -- if you look at my website you'll see many articles which directly contributed to the book. \"Z Transforms for the Embedded System Engineer\" became the seed from which the z transforms chapter and the design chapter grew. \"Measuring Frequency Response\" produced the chapter on measuring frequency response. \"Using Block Diagrams in Control System Design\" grew into the block diagrams chapter. \"Controlling Motors in the Presence of Friction and Backlash\" is in the \"Nonlinear Control\" chapter, along with a bunch of other stuff. There isn't a word in there that's lifted from \"PID Without a PhD\", but I did make darn sure that the design chapter covered PID design. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/","datePublished":"2006-04-08T13:19:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Tim Wescott"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"martin griffith wrote: > On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 09:55:33 -0400, in sci.electronics.design Jerry > Avins wrote: > > >>Fred Bloggs wrote: >> >> ... >> >> >>>I wonder if that delivers any value; I'm suspicious of these >>>flash-and-dazzle things that spend all of one page per major topic- just >>>overview crap. >> >>Given what I've seen of Tim's other writings -- >>http://www.embedded.com/2000/0010/0010feat3.htm is an example -- > > > Whay on earth do embedded.com always put the diagrams as hyperlinks > instead of inserting in the web page in question? > > > > martin Perversity? It certainly is a PITA. If you check out my web site there are a number of articles that _aren't_ linked to embedded.com, and which put the figures in the text so you can have a chance at seeing them in the right place. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/","datePublished":"2006-04-08T13:21:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Tim Wescott"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"In article , robert bristow-johnson writes > >Tim Wescott wrote: >> robert bristow-johnson wrote: >... >> > >> > i like this guy's transparency. >> > >> > r b-j >> > >> Well, the subject line did say \"shameless\". > >but that doesn't show in Google Groups. i dunno, but i guess it's an >undocumented feature that if you enclose text in [brackets] in the >Subject: header, Google Groups doesn't show it in their front page for >the newsgroup. Then use a proper news reader. The Google system is a damned nuisance. Especially when its users don't quote the message they are replying to. -- \\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\ \\/\\/\\/\\/\\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\\/\\/\\/\\/ /\\/\\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \\/\\/\\ \\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/","datePublished":"2006-04-08T13:23:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Chris Hills"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"\"Tim Wescott\" wrote in message news:X_2dnecwtsd8mavZnZ2dnUVZ_tqdnZ2d@web-ster.com... > \"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems\". By me. Belated congratulations, Tim. Having recently done battle with a (fast) motor controller, despite a lifetime in (slow) temperature control, I'm adding your book to my wishlist ;). Steve http://www.fivetrees.com","datePublished":"2006-04-08T13:54:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Steve at fivetrees"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":">>> >>> I was referring to Drusinsky and not Wescott. But $20 per hectopage >>> seems a bit steep for a paperback... >>> >> Hey, today it's ranked at 32000 in books. Yesterday it was 540000. At >> this time tomorrow it'll be better than 200000 books that haven't even >> been written yet :-). >> >> Apparently you're as much of a tightwad as me. I did discuss the >> pricing with my editor -- she was pretty adamant that it was the right >> price. Besides, you get a CD with code that not only illustrates cool >> functionality, but it compiles, it runs, and it's been tested & >> debugged. That's gotta be worth several hundred pages right there, eh? >> > > Is that Simulink code or something? I bought the Drusinsky book on sale, > but if it turns into a pos, right back to Newnes it goes. > You guys really are tight wads. If you take even one idea from a book, it is a bargain. I just got back from CA where Tim's book was released. I usually buy at least one book every time I travel to Silicon Valley or San Franscisco. One year I spent $900 on 9 books. I am happy to report that I have helped Tim move up the best sellers list. I have an autographed first edition and printing of Tim's book. Someday, when Tim is even more famous, I will sell it for a huge profit. For the moment, we can all be content that we are helping Tim with his Porsche payments. I'm sure we will all see him on late night TV soon. My suggestion to everyone is, buy Tim's book. You'll be able to tell everyone, you know a famous author! If you also buy Rick Lyon's book, you will know at least two famous authors. This will probably make you very popular and some of you will now be able to date beautiful women that you couldn't even talk to before. -- Al Clark Danville Signal Processing, Inc. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Purveyors of Fine DSP Hardware and other Cool Stuff Available at http://www.danvillesignal.com","datePublished":"2006-04-08T14:04:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Al Clark"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Chris Hills writes: > [...] > The Google system is a damned nuisance. If you really feel that way, I think you ought to ask for your money back, Chris. -- % Randy Yates % \"She's sweet on Wagner-I think she'd die for Beethoven. %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % She love the way Puccini lays down a tune, and %%% 919-577-9882 % Verdi's always creepin' from her room.\" %%%% % \"Rockaria\", *A New World Record*, ELO http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr","datePublished":"2006-04-08T14:12:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Randy Yates"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Carlos Moreno writes: > CBFalconer wrote: > >> The immediate replies to Tims post were all from google, and they >> all elided the \"[shameless]\" portion. Just one more of the >> failings of the google interface. Have they no shame? > > They're too busy taking over the world ... May all gods help > them do that!! I'm so depressed, living in a world owned by > Microsoft!!! I commensurate with you, Carlos. BUT..., you CAN do something about it: http://www.linux.org http://fedora.redhat.com/ http://www.centos.org/ Do you think you need MS's office suite? No, you don't: http://www.openoffice.org/ NOTHING on my system is purchased and I am using first-rate applications: database (postgresql) editor (xemacs) version control (subversion), typesetting (TeX/LaTeX) video/music (realplayer 10) etc., etc. You can even have your cake and eat it too (if you have a CD of an MS OS): http://www.vmware.com/ in which you can install and operate MS-Windows inside your unix box. Absolutely amazing, and vmserver is FREE (I think...). I installed FC4 about 2 or 3 months ago and I am elated! Yes, it took a lot of fooling with, but I now have the system of my dreams! I absolute love FC4! -- % Randy Yates % \"Maybe one day I'll feel her cold embrace, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % and kiss her interface, %%% 919-577-9882 % til then, I'll leave her alone.\" %%%% % 'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr","datePublished":"2006-04-08T14:19:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Randy Yates"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On 2006-04-08, Randy Yates wrote: > Chris Hills writes: >> [...] >> The Google system is a damned nuisance. > > If you really feel that way, I think you ought to ask for your money > back, Chris. How does it's being free argue against the fact that the usenet interface sucks and is a nuisance to the rest of us who don't use it? -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! NANCY!! Why is at everything RED?! visi.com","datePublished":"2006-04-08T14:25:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Grant Edwards"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Randy Yates wrote: > Carlos Moreno writes: > > >>CBFalconer wrote: >> >> >>>The immediate replies to Tims post were all from google, and they >>>all elided the \"[shameless]\" portion. Just one more of the >>>failings of the google interface. Have they no shame? >> >>They're too busy taking over the world ... May all gods help >>them do that!! I'm so depressed, living in a world owned by >>Microsoft!!! > > > I commensurate with you, Carlos. BUT..., you CAN do something > about it: > > http://www.linux.org > http://fedora.redhat.com/ > http://www.centos.org/ > > Do you think you need MS's office suite? No, you don't: > > http://www.openoffice.org/ > > NOTHING on my system is purchased and I am using first-rate applications: > > database (postgresql) > editor (xemacs) > version control (subversion), > typesetting (TeX/LaTeX) > video/music (realplayer 10) > > etc., etc. > > You can even have your cake and eat it too (if you have a CD > of an MS OS): > > http://www.vmware.com/ > > in which you can install and operate MS-Windows inside your > unix box. Absolutely amazing, and vmserver is FREE (I think...). > > I installed FC4 about 2 or 3 months ago and I am elated! Yes, it > took a lot of fooling with, but I now have the system of my dreams! > I absolute love FC4! I haven't gone over to Linux yet, but that 320 page book was written entirely in OpenOffice -- and while some of the symbolic math was checked in MathCad (which costs a few $$) all of the numeric processing was done in SciLab for free, and the code examples were developed and tested using Gnu tools under Cygwin. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/","datePublished":"2006-04-08T14:35:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Tim Wescott"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Tim Wescott writes: > [...] > I haven't gone over to Linux yet, but that 320 page book was written > entirely in OpenOffice -- and while some of the symbolic math was > checked in MathCad (which costs a few $$) all of the numeric > processing was done in SciLab for free, and the code examples were > developed and tested using Gnu tools under Cygwin. Way to go, Tim! You're on your way to open-source freedom! Here are some things I like about FC4 vs. MS: 1. It's free. MS is asking $300 for the \"reinstallable\" version of XP. That's just too damn much, IMO. And with FC4, nobody's tracking your usage. 2. It's stable and well-structured. I can easily go for weeks without rebooting, even after installing something major. 3. It's mult-user and multi-tasking. Yeah, sure MS *says* the same for XP, but it doesn't really measure up. There are very few times something hangs so severly that I must reboot. I keep my wife logged in all the time and can instantly switch back and forth between her desktop and mine. 4. Viruses? What viruses? I really hope more folks see that there are viable alternatives to MS, especially in this day and age. -- % Randy Yates % \"Watching all the days go by... %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % Who are you and who am I?\" %%% 919-577-9882 % 'Mission (A World Record)', %%%% % *A New World Record*, ELO http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr","datePublished":"2006-04-08T14:54:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Randy Yates"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"In article , Randy Yates writes >Chris Hills writes: >> [...] >> The Google system is a damned nuisance. > >If you really feel that way, I think you ought to ask for your money >back, Chris. I don't use it. Others impose it's restrictions on me. -- \\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\ \\/\\/\\/\\/\\ Chris Hills Staffs England /\\/\\/\\/\\/ /\\/\\/ chris@phaedsys.org www.phaedsys.org \\/\\/\\ \\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/\\/","datePublished":"2006-04-08T15:14:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Chris Hills"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Chris Hills writes: > In article , Randy Yates > writes >>Chris Hills writes: >>> [...] >>> The Google system is a damned nuisance. >> >>If you really feel that way, I think you ought to ask for your money >>back, Chris. > > I don't use it. Others impose it's restrictions on me. Doh! PS: I enjoyed parusing your quest document. -- % Randy Yates % \"Midnight, on the water... %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % I saw... the ocean's daughter.\" %%% 919-577-9882 % 'Can't Get It Out Of My Head' %%%% % *El Dorado*, Electric Light Orchestra http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr","datePublished":"2006-04-08T15:57:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Randy Yates"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Randy Yates wrote: > I commensurate with you, Carlos. BUT..., you CAN do something > about it: > > http://www.linux.org > http://fedora.redhat.com/ > http://www.centos.org/ You're preaching to the guy that ate the choir!!! (I know, I know it's only going to be a 0.1% of the readers that are going to get the reference ... And it's too long to explain :-( ) > Do you think you need MS's office suite? No, you don't: > > http://www.openoffice.org/ Shame, shame, shame on you for not mentioning Firefox!!!! (to counter the number 1 evil, from the evil empire!! :-)) And Thunderbird!!! (to replace the #2 evil) It's been more than six years that I have not had MS Office on my machine (the last version I ever had or used was Office 97 !!!). As for IE or Outlook, I have *never* used either one of them (well, IE is unavoidable, as some applications use it directly without the user having any saying... Plus the updates... But Outlook, that one, *never*, not a single instance under any circumstance) > NOTHING on my system is purchased and I am using first-rate applications: > > database (postgresql) Ohhh, nice!!! You did go for PostgreSQL instead of the unbelievably crappy toy that is MySQL !!! Ok, kudos... You're forgiven for omiting Firefox ;-) > http://www.vmware.com/ Check. (actually, the latest version of Wine does run most things quite nicely -- it even runs installers to actually perform installations: it creates a directory drive_c under the .wine config dir, and creates the Program Files directory, etc. etc. Pretty impressive). But yeah, VMWare really does kick butt ! > I installed FC4 about 2 or 3 months ago and I am elated! Yes, it > took a lot of fooling with, but I now have the system of my dreams! > I absolute love FC4! Just three months ago?? Shame, shame, sh.... Oh, wait, no, you're a PostgreSQL fan... Ok, you're forgiven for this one too :-) (been using Linux since the days of RedHat 5.2 -- back around 1998) But it's nice to hear the support and the feeling that I'm not alone (well, I do know that I'm not alone; you know what I'm saying :-)) Cheers, Carlos --","datePublished":"2006-04-08T16:03:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Carlos Moreno"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Tim Wescott wrote: > I haven't gone over to Linux yet, but that 320 page book was written > entirely in OpenOffice Huh... Bringing the thread back on-topic, eh? Nice!!!! :-) (I mean, really, when you think about it: NICE!!) Well, you now need to switch to Firefox for web browsing and to Thunderbord for e-mail and news... Then, you'll soon notice that you can switch to Linux (BTW, Randy, Fedora Core 5 is out -- has been for some two or three weeks now -- haven't tried it yet ... soon) and will barely notice the difference -- well, you *will* notice the difference when you realize how long it's been since you haven't been forced to reboot or to reinstall due to viruses, etc. You'll also notice it when you receive junk e-mail from antivirus making companies and realize that you don't even need to read it!! :-) Carlos --","datePublished":"2006-04-08T16:08:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Carlos Moreno"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Carlos Moreno writes: > [...] > Shame, shame, shame on you for not mentioning Firefox!!!! (to > counter the number 1 evil, from the evil empire!! :-)) And > Thunderbird!!! (to replace the #2 evil) Yes, yes, yes - my bad! No Outlook/IE here on this boy's system - I use Firefox and XEmacs/gnus and my wife uses Firefox/Thunderbird. It is also unthinkable that I neglected to mention Octave in a dsp newgroup. Thanks, kudos, accolades to those who developed it. > It's been more than six years that I have not had MS Office > on my machine (the last version I ever had or used was > Office 97 !!!). Yea, brother: Amen. May the open-source force be with you. -- % Randy Yates % \"Midnight, on the water... %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % I saw... the ocean's daughter.\" %%% 919-577-9882 % 'Can't Get It Out Of My Head' %%%% % *El Dorado*, Electric Light Orchestra http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr","datePublished":"2006-04-08T16:38:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Randy Yates"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"[snip] > I commensurate with you, Carlos. BUT..., you CAN do something > about it: > > http://www.linux.org > http://fedora.redhat.com/ > http://www.centos.org/ > > Do you think you need MS's office suite? No, you don't: > > http://www.openoffice.org/ > > NOTHING on my system is purchased and I am using first-rate applications: > > database (postgresql) > editor (xemacs) > version control (subversion), > typesetting (TeX/LaTeX) > video/music (realplayer 10) > > etc., etc. > > You can even have your cake and eat it too (if you have a CD > of an MS OS): > > http://www.vmware.com/ > > in which you can install and operate MS-Windows inside your > unix box. Absolutely amazing, and vmserver is FREE (I think...). [snip] Yes, there is a free version of VMware Server http://www.vmware.com/news/releases/server_beta.html http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/03/vmware_goes_free/ MS also released a free version of its Virtual Server as well. http://www.theregister.com/2006/04/03/ms_virtual_free/ And then there's the Open Source Xen Virtualization effort: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/14/red_hat_xen_novell_virtualization/ Robert","datePublished":"2006-04-08T16:41:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Robert"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"\"Robert\" writes: > [snip] >> I commensurate with you, Carlos. BUT..., you CAN do something >> about it: >> >> http://www.linux.org >> http://fedora.redhat.com/ >> http://www.centos.org/ >> >> Do you think you need MS's office suite? No, you don't: >> >> http://www.openoffice.org/ >> >> NOTHING on my system is purchased and I am using first-rate applications: >> >> database (postgresql) >> editor (xemacs) >> version control (subversion), >> typesetting (TeX/LaTeX) >> video/music (realplayer 10) >> >> etc., etc. >> >> You can even have your cake and eat it too (if you have a CD >> of an MS OS): >> >> http://www.vmware.com/ >> >> in which you can install and operate MS-Windows inside your >> unix box. Absolutely amazing, and vmserver is FREE (I think...). > > [snip] > > Yes, there is a free version of VMware Server > http://www.vmware.com/news/releases/server_beta.html > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/02/03/vmware_goes_free/ > > MS also released a free version of its Virtual Server as well. > http://www.theregister.com/2006/04/03/ms_virtual_free/ > > And then there's the Open Source Xen Virtualization effort: > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/14/red_hat_xen_novell_virtualization/ I haven't tried any of these alternate virtual machines, but vmware is awesome. I was able to run CCS in it with a parallel port JTAG and all the drivers worked just fine. Absolutely amazing. But the really cool thing is: all those damn reboots MS needs can now happen inside the virtual machine without a single real reboot. -- % Randy Yates % \"Bird, on the wing, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % goes floating by %%% 919-577-9882 % but there's a teardrop in his eye...\" %%%% % 'One Summer Dream', *Face The Music*, ELO http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr","datePublished":"2006-04-08T16:48:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Randy Yates"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Carlos Moreno wrote: > Tim Wescott wrote: > >> I haven't gone over to Linux yet, but that 320 page book was written >> entirely in OpenOffice > > > Huh... Bringing the thread back on-topic, eh? Nice!!!! :-) > (I mean, really, when you think about it: NICE!!) > > Well, you now need to switch to Firefox for web browsing and to > Thunderbord for e-mail and news... > > Then, you'll soon notice that you can switch to Linux (BTW, > Randy, Fedora Core 5 is out -- has been for some two or three > weeks now -- haven't tried it yet ... soon) and will barely > notice the difference -- well, you *will* notice the difference > when you realize how long it's been since you haven't been > forced to reboot or to reinstall due to viruses, etc. You'll > also notice it when you receive junk e-mail from antivirus > making companies and realize that you don't even need to read > it!! :-) > > Carlos > -- You need to look at the headers of my posts. Granted, Mozilla isn't Firefox, but for the purpose I think it's equivalent. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/","datePublished":"2006-04-08T17:47:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Tim Wescott"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jim Thompson wrote: > On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:29:11 -0400, mike Moett wrote: [...] >> But anyone as popular as you should plan on changing email >> addresses regularly. > I use the E-mail forwarding capability of my website, with > currently 181 different addresses for the various accounts I have. You are obviously far too popular and heavily overworked. Bill Gates has his secretary filter his emails so he only has to respond to the 100 most important emails and his secretary handles the rest. You need the same thing, but obviously the person has to understand deep technical terms such as \"Ohms Law\", and \"CMOS\". There - I just used both of them in a single sentence, so obviously I qualify. For a modest and easily affordable investment, I will do this for you. I will download all your posts from google groups, and write a simple pattern matching program to identify the appropriate post to reply with. A simple random number generator to select a pdf circuit from your website, and that should solve your popularity problem real fast:) [...] >> My website costs me $19.95/month plus the Cox HSI is $39.95 Actually, I wasn't suggesting you switch to concito - you could probably afford to buy them, plus the high-speed pipes they connect with. My comment was for the lesser mortals who don't have access to your cash flow, such as myself. But if you accept my offer outlined above, I expect that will change quickly. Now please excuse - I have to call Cessna and get my Citation on order:) >> ...Jim Thompson >> James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | >> Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | >> Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | E-mail Address at >> Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | >> http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | >> I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. Mike","datePublished":"2006-04-08T17:56:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Anonymous"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Tim Wescott wrote: > Carlos Moreno wrote: > >> Tim Wescott wrote: >> >>> I haven't gone over to Linux yet, but that 320 page book was written >>> entirely in OpenOffice >> >> >> >> Huh... Bringing the thread back on-topic, eh? Nice!!!! :-) >> (I mean, really, when you think about it: NICE!!) >> >> Well, you now need to switch to Firefox for web browsing and to >> Thunderbord for e-mail and news... >> >> Then, you'll soon notice that you can switch to Linux (BTW, >> Randy, Fedora Core 5 is out -- has been for some two or three >> weeks now -- haven't tried it yet ... soon) and will barely >> notice the difference -- well, you *will* notice the difference >> when you realize how long it's been since you haven't been >> forced to reboot or to reinstall due to viruses, etc. You'll >> also notice it when you receive junk e-mail from antivirus >> making companies and realize that you don't even need to read >> it!! :-) >> >> Carlos >> -- > > You need to look at the headers of my posts. Granted, Mozilla isn't > Firefox, but for the purpose I think it's equivalent. > NAHHHH Mozilla >>> Firefox ;)","datePublished":"2006-04-08T19:00:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Richard Owlett"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On 2006-04-08, Tim Wescott wrote: > I haven't gone over to Linux yet, but that 320 page book was > written entirely in OpenOffice Holy cow. People write _books_ using word-processors? That seems a bit like digging a canal with a trowel. OOo is fine for a letter or fax, but I switch to LaTeX for anything that 1) is over a page long 2) has a table of contents, index, or auto-numbering of table, figures, equations, etc. 2) has any equations in it 3) needs to look like it was professionally typeset I've never seen anything that can equal TeX's hyphenation and line-breaking, and (AFAICT) OOo doesn't even do ligatures at all. At least OOo gets points for doing an acceptible job of kerning. > and while some of the symbolic math was checked in MathCad > (which costs a few $$) all of the numeric processing was done > in SciLab for free, and the code examples were developed and > tested using Gnu tools under Cygwin. Bravo! -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! I feel... JUGULAR... at visi.com","datePublished":"2006-04-08T19:38:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Grant Edwards"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2006-04-08, Tim Wescott wrote: > > >>I haven't gone over to Linux yet, but that 320 page book was >>written entirely in OpenOffice > > > Holy cow. People write _books_ using word-processors? That > seems a bit like digging a canal with a trowel. > > OOo is fine for a letter or fax, but I switch to LaTeX for > anything that > > 1) is over a page long > > 2) has a table of contents, index, or auto-numbering of > table, figures, equations, etc. > > 2) has any equations in it > > 3) needs to look like it was professionally typeset > > I've never seen anything that can equal TeX's hyphenation and > line-breaking, and (AFAICT) OOo doesn't even do ligatures at > all. At least OOo gets points for doing an acceptible job of > kerning. > > >>and while some of the symbolic math was checked in MathCad >>(which costs a few $$) all of the numeric processing was done >>in SciLab for free, and the code examples were developed and >>tested using Gnu tools under Cygwin. > > > Bravo! > I wanted to write it in LaTeX, but the editor I signed with made it clear that I would be _very_ unpopular with their production people if I did. You can write book-length stuff in OOo (obviously), but you have to pay attention. Frankly, being able to see the equations and figures in the text as I'm writing helps my miniature brain grasp what the reader is going to see which in turn helps me do a better job presenting the material. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/","datePublished":"2006-04-08T20:09:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Tim Wescott"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Grant Edwards writes: > [...] I switch to LaTeX for anything that > > 1) is over a page long > > 2) has a table of contents, index, or auto-numbering of > table, figures, equations, etc. > > 2) has any equations in it > > 3) needs to look like it was professionally typeset Right. Plus, you can do neat things with (La)TeX that you can't do with other systems. One of my favorite things, especially in engineering reports and the like that deal with Matlab, is to have Matlab spit out the LaTeX source code of the results (ala \"printf\" statments) and then \\input it into your document. Ta-da: seamless integration, no typo's. -- % Randy Yates % \"Bird, on the wing, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % goes floating by %%% 919-577-9882 % but there's a teardrop in his eye...\" %%%% % 'One Summer Dream', *Face The Music*, ELO http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr","datePublished":"2006-04-08T20:12:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Randy Yates"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":">>>>>Well, the subject line did say \"shameless\". >>>>> Tim Wescott . >>>>that doesn't show in Google Groups...it's an undocumented feature >>>>that if you enclose text in [brackets] in the Subject: header, >>>>Google Groups doesn't show it in their front page for the newsgroup. >>>> robert bristow-johnson . >>replies...from google...all elided the \"[shameless]\" portion. >>Just one more of the failings of the google interface. >> CBFalconer . >That's *really* bad if it also elides [OT]. > John Devereux It does. I've bitched to them about this before. Here's the deal: If the Subject: line is entirely bracketed text, it will appear on any page. Bracketed text on the Subject: line (if it comes AFTER unbracketed text) will appear on any page. Bracketed text that comes **BEFORE** unbracketed text will be blanked on the front page for the newsgroup; it will appear on all other pages. . . Another interesting Google Groups syntax screw-up: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.basics/browse_frm/thread/41a7b54fc6ec534c/5eec74c643da868a?q=author:rubicon+electronics If you click the *show options* link, you will see that the Email: for Rubicon is enclosed in parenthesis; at the entry for the post (#20) in the left frame, no author is listed. 8-)","datePublished":"2006-04-08T21:13:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"JeffM"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":">Granted, Mozilla isn't Firefox, >but for the purpose I think it's equivalent. > Tim Wescott In some ways it is superior: http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.design/browse_frm/thread/e5b6fe9f46aeceeb/f3db415a35d7ce80?q=plug-*+Seamonkey+*-DOM-* The suite has had a DOM Inspector for years--natively. Firefox only got it as an extension recently. Unless something has changed very recently, those who use Firefox+Thunderbird will have a larger memory footprint than those who use the suite. (As the code for the individual apps is optimized, this should shrink and likely disappear.) Having the HTML editor, Mozilla Composer (nee Netscape Composer), open with a click from within my browser is kinda nice too. If you use Firefox, you have to obtain & install Nvu individually.","datePublished":"2006-04-08T21:39:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"JeffM"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Tim Wescott wrote: > You need to look at the headers of my posts. Granted, Mozilla isn't > Firefox, but for the purpose I think it's equivalent. Shame, shame, shame on me!! :-) Actually, there is some evil in the headers of your posts: > Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Up until the opening parenthesis, everything was going so well... Those headers clearly need some work ;-) Carlos --","datePublished":"2006-04-08T22:52:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Carlos Moreno"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On 2006-04-08, Randy Yates wrote: > Grant Edwards writes: > >> [...] I switch to LaTeX for anything that >> >> 1) is over a page long >> >> 2) has a table of contents, index, or auto-numbering of >> table, figures, equations, etc. >> >> 2) has any equations in it >> >> 3) needs to look like it was professionally typeset > > Right. Plus, you can do neat things with (La)TeX that you can't do with > other systems. One of my favorite things, especially in engineering > reports and the like that deal with Matlab, is to have Matlab spit out > the LaTeX source code of the results (ala \"printf\" statments) and then > \\input it into your document. Ta-da: seamless integration, no typo's. Yup. And if you use a Makefile to build the book the same way you build a program, you always know everything is up-to-date. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Mr and Mrs PED, can at I borrow 26.7 visi.com","datePublished":"2006-04-08T22:53:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Grant Edwards"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Grant Edwards writes: > On 2006-04-08, Randy Yates wrote: >> Grant Edwards writes: >> >>> [...] I switch to LaTeX for anything that >>> >>> 1) is over a page long >>> >>> 2) has a table of contents, index, or auto-numbering of >>> table, figures, equations, etc. >>> >>> 2) has any equations in it >>> >>> 3) needs to look like it was professionally typeset >> >> Right. Plus, you can do neat things with (La)TeX that you can't do with >> other systems. One of my favorite things, especially in engineering >> reports and the like that deal with Matlab, is to have Matlab spit out >> the LaTeX source code of the results (ala \"printf\" statments) and then >> \\input it into your document. Ta-da: seamless integration, no typo's. > > Yup. And if you use a Makefile to build the book the same way > you build a program, you always know everything is up-to-date. Yup. Of course it has to be gnumake, too. -- % Randy Yates % \"Ticket to the moon, flight leaves here today %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % from Satellite 2\" %%% 919-577-9882 % 'Ticket To The Moon' %%%% % *Time*, Electric Light Orchestra http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr","datePublished":"2006-04-08T23:13:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Randy Yates"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Randy Yates wrote: > Grant Edwards writes: >> On 2006-04-08, Randy Yates wrote: >>> Grant Edwards writes: >>> >>>> [...] I switch to LaTeX for anything that >>>> >>>> 1) is over a page long >>>> >>>> 2) has a table of contents, index, or auto-numbering of >>>> table, figures, equations, etc. >>>> >>>> 2) has any equations in it >>>> >>>> 3) needs to look like it was professionally typeset >>> >>> Right. Plus, you can do neat things with (La)TeX that you can't >>> do with other systems. One of my favorite things, especially in >>> engineering reports and the like that deal with Matlab, is to >>> have Matlab spit out the LaTeX source code of the results (ala >>> \"printf\" statments) and then \\input it into your document. >>> Ta-da: seamless integration, no typo's. >> >> Yup. And if you use a Makefile to build the book the same way >> you build a program, you always know everything is up-to-date. > > Yup. Of course it has to be gnumake, too. If you are going to organize all that, why not use Texinfo up front, and postpone the output format decision as far as possible. Maybe diagrams? -- \"If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use the broken \"Reply\" link at the bottom of the article. Click on \"show options\" at the top of the article, then click on the \"Reply\" at the bottom of the article headers.\" - Keith Thompson More details at: Also see","datePublished":"2006-04-09T00:32:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"CBFalconer"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"\"Randy Yates\" wrote in message news:m3ek08t236.fsf@ieee.org... > Carlos Moreno writes: > >> CBFalconer wrote: >> >>> The immediate replies to Tims post were all from google, and they >>> all elided the \"[shameless]\" portion. Just one more of the >>> failings of the google interface. Have they no shame? >> >> They're too busy taking over the world ... May all gods help >> them do that!! I'm so depressed, living in a world owned by >> Microsoft!!! > > I commensurate with you, Carlos. BUT..., you CAN do something > about it: > > http://www.linux.org > http://fedora.redhat.com/ > http://www.centos.org/ > > Do you think you need MS's office suite? No, you don't: > > http://www.openoffice.org/ > > NOTHING on my system is purchased and I am using first-rate applications: > > database (postgresql) > editor (xemacs) > version control (subversion), > typesetting (TeX/LaTeX) > video/music (realplayer 10) Real player isn't first rate , it phones home quite a bit(realscheduler.exe). How about using a open source media player ? vlc http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ mplayer http://www.mplayerhq.hu xms http://www.xmms.org/ vlc or mplayer will just about play any media file available Alex","datePublished":"2006-04-09T01:20:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Alex Gibson"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:26:31 -0700, Tim Wescott wrote: Hi Tim, congratulations on finishing your book. I'll bet you're glad \"it's all over\". >robert bristow-johnson wrote: > (snipped) >>>If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and >>>contact me by email with bad reviews. >> >> i like this guy's transparency. >> >> r b-j >> >Well, the subject line did say \"shameless\". Ha ha. But posting only good reviews on Amazon wouldn't that make those reviews, as a whole, fraudulent? Actually, it's fair to your potential readers, and good for you as the author, to see all reviews both good and bad. It's good for you because it helps you improve your book for future editions. Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? Start compiling an errata 'cause people will start asking you for the book's errata. And, of course, the errata can be used to improve future printings of your book. (You're probably already doing this.) Best of Luck, [-Rick-]","datePublished":"2006-04-09T09:38:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rick Lyons"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 16:56:32 -0400, Mike Monett wrote: > Jim Thompson wrote: > > > On Sat, 08 Apr 2006 11:29:11 -0400, mike Moett wrote: > > [...] > > >> But anyone as popular as you should plan on changing email > >> addresses regularly. > > > I use the E-mail forwarding capability of my website, with > > currently 181 different addresses for the various accounts I have. > > You are obviously far too popular and heavily overworked. Bill Gates > has his secretary filter his emails so he only has to respond to the > 100 most important emails and his secretary handles the rest. > [snip] Only ~30 of them are \"bidirectional\", that is I reply to them. Most are simply addresses created when I order something from a site that requires an E-mail address for shipping notification, etc. I went this route when spam started increasing... With individualized addressing I know immediately who sold my address to spammers; or I tire of their ads and delete the address. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.","datePublished":"2006-04-09T12:03:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jim Thompson"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Rick Lyons wrote: > On Fri, 07 Apr 2006 09:26:31 -0700, Tim Wescott > wrote: > > > Hi Tim, congratulations on finishing > your book. I'll bet you're glad > \"it's all over\". > > >>robert bristow-johnson wrote: >> > > (snipped) > > >>>>If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and >>>>contact me by email with bad reviews. >>> >>>i like this guy's transparency. >>> >>>r b-j >>> >> >>Well, the subject line did say \"shameless\". > > > Ha ha. > But posting only good reviews on Amazon wouldn't > that make those reviews, as a whole, fraudulent? > > Actually, it's fair to your potential readers, and > good for you as the author, to see all reviews both > good and bad. It's good for you because it helps > you improve your book for future editions. All true. But I had to live up to the subject line... > > Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? > Start compiling an errata 'cause > people will start asking you for the book's errata. > And, of course, the errata can be used to > improve future printings of your book. > (You're probably already doing this.) > > Best of Luck, > [-Rick-] > As I find things they'll go into the errata. Most of the issues I have found so far are things that I want to add should the book ever go to a second edition, but I have no illusions about the book being error-free. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/","datePublished":"2006-04-09T13:59:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Tim Wescott"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Ban wrote: > larwe wrote: > >>Tim Wescott wrote: >> >> >>>If you go through the Powell's link they give me a kickback, but I >>>get >> >>Have you set up Amazon.com Associates? The good thing about Amazon is >>that you get a kickback for other things people buy in the same >>session. For instance, I wrote some articles using the Mac mini and >>did an associates link to the mini on my web site; a few people who >>bought minis through that link bought me a couple of pizzas. >> >>Of course I do learn a lot of distasteful things about the stuff >>people buy... for quite a while my first book's page showed >>context-sensitive advertising saying that people who bought this book >>also bought various sex books and videos... :) And what do you make >>of someone who buys two commercial DVD movies and 100 50-disk >>spindles of blank DVD-Rs in the one session? > > > If he wants to copy the movie, he rents it for 3bucks in the videothek. He needs the artwork to copy too. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????","datePublished":"2006-04-09T19:43:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jerry Avins"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Tim Wescott wrote: ... > You can write book-length stuff in OOo (obviously), but you have to pay > attention. Frankly, being able to see the equations and figures in the > text as I'm writing helps my miniature brain grasp what the reader is > going to see which in turn helps me do a better job presenting the > material. You young whippersnappers! I used to write production instruction manuals in NROFF and make them look good on a nine-pin printer. :-) Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????","datePublished":"2006-04-09T22:20:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jerry Avins"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Alex Gibson wrote: ... > Real player isn't first rate , it phones home quite a > bit(realscheduler.exe). > > How about using a open source media player ? How about Real Alternative? http://www.codecguide.com/download_real.htm Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????","datePublished":"2006-04-09T22:30:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jerry Avins"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jerry Avins writes: > Alex Gibson wrote: > > ... > >> Real player isn't first rate , it phones home quite a >> bit(realscheduler.exe). >> How about using a open source media player ? > > How about Real Alternative? http://www.codecguide.com/download_real.htm Jerry, it looks like these are all windows packages. Blicch! -- % Randy Yates % \"I met someone who looks alot like you, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % she does the things you do, %%% 919-577-9882 % but she is an IBM.\" %%%% % 'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr","datePublished":"2006-04-09T22:41:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Randy Yates"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jerry Avins wrote: > Tim Wescott wrote: > > ... > >> You can write book-length stuff in OOo (obviously), but you have to >> pay attention. Frankly, being able to see the equations and figures >> in the text as I'm writing helps my miniature brain grasp what the >> reader is going to see which in turn helps me do a better job >> presenting the material. > > > You young whippersnappers! I used to write production instruction > manuals in NROFF and make them look good on a nine-pin printer. :-) But did you back them up to paper tape first?","datePublished":"2006-04-09T22:42:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jim Stewart"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jerry Avins wrote: > > Tim Wescott wrote: > > ... > > > You can write book-length stuff in OOo (obviously), but you have to pay > > attention. Frankly, being able to see the equations and figures in the > > text as I'm writing helps my miniature brain grasp what the reader is > > going to see which in turn helps me do a better job presenting the > > material. > > You young whippersnappers! I used to write production instruction > manuals in NROFF and make them look good on a nine-pin printer. :-) > > Jerry > -- > Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. > ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? You had a nine pin printer? All we had was a worn out Kleinschmidt 60 ma teletype for a printer. Creative recycling is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ;-) -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida","datePublished":"2006-04-09T22:55:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Michael A. Terrell"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Jerry Avins wrote: > >>Tim Wescott wrote: >> >> ... >> >> >>>You can write book-length stuff in OOo (obviously), but you have to pay >>>attention. Frankly, being able to see the equations and figures in the >>>text as I'm writing helps my miniature brain grasp what the reader is >>>going to see which in turn helps me do a better job presenting the >>>material. >> >>You young whippersnappers! I used to write production instruction >>manuals in NROFF and make them look good on a nine-pin printer. :-) >> >>Jerry >>-- >>Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. >>??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? > > > > You had a nine pin printer? All we had was a worn out Kleinschmidt 60 > ma teletype for a printer. A Kleinschmidt? We would have dreamed of hav'n a Kleinschmidt. Would have been like a laser printer to us. We used to take polaroid pictures of the VT05 screen for hardcopy. And glad to have them we were... http://www.phespirit.info/montypython/four_yorkshiremen.htm","datePublished":"2006-04-09T23:54:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jim Stewart"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":". Frankly, being able to see the equations and figures in the >>>>text as I'm writing helps my miniature brain grasp what the reader is >>>>going to see which in turn helps me do a better job presenting the >>>>material. >>> >>>You young whippersnappers! I used to write production instruction >>>manuals in NROFF and make them look good on a nine-pin printer. :-) >>> >>>Jerry >>>-- >>>Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. >>>??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? >> >> >> >> You had a nine pin printer? All we had was a worn out Kleinschmidt 60 >> ma teletype for a printer. > > > A Kleinschmidt? We would have dreamed > of hav'n a Kleinschmidt. Would have been > like a laser printer to us. We used to > take polaroid pictures of the VT05 screen > for hardcopy. And glad to have them we > were... > > http://www.phespirit.info/montypython/four_yorkshiremen.htm > Tell that to the kids today and they won't believe you. They won't! -Andrew M","datePublished":"2006-04-10T00:14:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Andrew M"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jerry Avins wrote: > Tim Wescott wrote: > > ... > >> You can write book-length stuff in OOo (obviously), but you have to >> pay attention. Frankly, being able to see the equations and figures >> in the text as I'm writing helps my miniature brain grasp what the >> reader is going to see which in turn helps me do a better job >> presenting the material. > > You young whippersnappers! I used to write production instruction > manuals in NROFF and make them look good on a nine-pin printer. :-) > > Jerry Are you trying to look like a young whippersnapper? Like me, you must remember writing manuals with a pen, and getting a secretary to type them up. I doubt even you did much documentation before the first Xerox copiers appeared in the 1950s, so at least once the secretary was finished life was easier. :-) Steve","datePublished":"2006-04-10T04:13:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Steve Underwood"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jerry Avins wrote: > Given what I've seen of Tim's other writings -- > http://www.embedded.com/2000/0010/0010feat3.htm is an example -- and the > insightful help he dispenses in the newsgroups in this cross posting, I > think you're overly pessimistic. I'll buy it and see. Seconded. Based on Tim's pedigree as a contributor to this group, and the quality of his discreetly mentioned website, I have already ordered his book (=A334.99 direct from Elsevier vs =A337.95 from Amazon and =A339.95 from most other sources). I'll comment on the content and vfm when I have read it, and not before. --=20 Andy McC","datePublished":"2006-04-10T04:54:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Andy McC"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jerry Avins wrote: > Ban wrote: >> If he wants to copy the movie, he rents it for 3bucks in the >> videothek. > > He needs the artwork to copy too. > > Jerry You can download that in the net, i.e. http://www.cdcovers.cc/covers.php -- ciao Ban Apricale, Italy","datePublished":"2006-04-10T07:01:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Ban"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jim Stewart wrote: > Jerry Avins wrote: > >> Tim Wescott wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> You can write book-length stuff in OOo (obviously), but you have to >>> pay attention. Frankly, being able to see the equations and figures >>> in the text as I'm writing helps my miniature brain grasp what the >>> reader is going to see which in turn helps me do a better job >>> presenting the material. >> >> >> >> You young whippersnappers! I used to write production instruction >> manuals in NROFF and make them look good on a nine-pin printer. :-) > > > But did you back them up to paper tape first? I did my first two-pass assemblies that way, but by the time I used NROFF, I had 360K mini-floppies. You know, 5-1/4 inch. That reminds me of a story I need to pass on. When mini-floppies were still quite new on the scene, a family -- father, mother, and eager son -- arrived at the Trenton Computer Fair with a truckload of them (180K, 3\" high) and set up shop on the tailgate. They all wore tee shirts with \"MINI FLOPPIES\" printed across the front. They did a fairly brisk business all morning (I bought two). After lunch, Mother minded the store while father and son went to see the other stalls and inside exhibits. I happened to pass that way again in the afternoon and saw Mother alone. I just stared at the lettering on her tee for the better part of a minute -- she was aware of the scrutiny -- and finally said, \"I don't think that's entirely appropriate.\" She flushed, then laughed, saying \"It never occurred to me. I have to tell my husband when he comes back.\" I passed that way again as they were packing to go. She gave me a big grin and her husband flashed me a thumbs up. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????","datePublished":"2006-04-10T11:42:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jerry Avins"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Steve Underwood wrote: > Jerry Avins wrote: > >> Tim Wescott wrote: >> >> ... >> >>> You can write book-length stuff in OOo (obviously), but you have to >>> pay attention. Frankly, being able to see the equations and figures >>> in the text as I'm writing helps my miniature brain grasp what the >>> reader is going to see which in turn helps me do a better job >>> presenting the material. >> >> >> You young whippersnappers! I used to write production instruction >> manuals in NROFF and make them look good on a nine-pin printer. :-) >> >> Jerry > > > Are you trying to look like a young whippersnapper? Like me, you must > remember writing manuals with a pen, and getting a secretary to type > them up. I doubt even you did much documentation before the first Xerox > copiers appeared in the 1950s, so at least once the secretary was > finished life was easier. :-) When I went to RCA institutes in the second and third floors of a building near the corner of W 10th and W 4th Streets. (check it out!), a startup company called Xerox was downstairs. I could have bought a few shares, but I didn't. Some people think I know everything. I know better. At RCA Labs, where I worked years later, we had a home-built copier with a zinc-oxide based photosensitive roller. It was a demo model that worked quite well. It was the only copier in the building, and there were sometimes lines to use it. RCA decided not to go into that business. They didn't know much either. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????","datePublished":"2006-04-10T11:53:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jerry Avins"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jerry Avins wrote: > > When I went to RCA institutes in the second and third floors of a > building near the corner of W 10th and W 4th Streets. (check it out!), a > startup company called Xerox was downstairs. I could have bought a few > shares, but I didn't. Some people think I know everything. I know better. Sure, but do you know the original name, before they changed it to Xerox? (Without looking it up?) -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida","datePublished":"2006-04-10T15:12:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Michael A. Terrell"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Tim Wescott wrote: > \"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems\". By me. > > The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the > Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it > drop-shipped to their booth. > > It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched > headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for > control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and > even folks who are already experienced with both. > > You can get it from my favorite bookstore: > http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/s?kw=Wescott+Tim. > > You can see what Elsevier says about it: > http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/707797/description#description > > If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and > contact me by email with bad reviews. > > Thanks. > > -- > > Tim Wescott > Wescott Design Services > http://www.wescottdesign.com > > Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/ Congratulations on the birth of your new baby, Mr. Wescott. I'll see if I can get my employer to add it to the library. 'Taint no such thing as shameless for this -- feel free to beam and pass out the cigars. Cheers Chris","datePublished":"2006-04-10T15:30:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Chris"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Jerry Avins wrote: > >>When I went to RCA institutes in the second and third floors of a >>building near the corner of W 10th and W 4th Streets. (check it out!), a >>startup company called Xerox was downstairs. I could have bought a few >>shares, but I didn't. Some people think I know everything. I know better. > > > > Sure, but do you know the original name, before they changed it to > Xerox? (Without looking it up?) > > Yepp, Haliod (sp?) was located in my hometown. There's stories about poor innocent secretary who muffed the name the day named morphed when CEO called.","datePublished":"2006-04-10T16:47:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Richard Owlett"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Jerry Avins wrote: > >>When I went to RCA institutes in the second and third floors of a >>building near the corner of W 10th and W 4th Streets. (check it out!), a >>startup company called Xerox was downstairs. I could have bought a few >>shares, but I didn't. Some people think I know everything. I know better. > > > > Sure, but do you know the original name, before they changed it to > Xerox? (Without looking it up?) They were originally Haloid, a photosensitive-paper company. I thought the name had been a Polaroid me-too wish. According to one of the muck-a-mucks downstairs, they almost renamed themselves \"Xeroid\" when they got into dry reproduction, but thought better of it. By the time I suggested the palindromic \"XereX\", it was too late. They wouldn't have listened to ma anyway, so no loss. :-) Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????","datePublished":"2006-04-10T16:49:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jerry Avins"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:59:44 -0700, Tim Wescott wrote: (snipped) >> >> Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? >> Start compiling an errata 'cause >> people will start asking you for the book's errata. >> And, of course, the errata can be used to >> improve future printings of your book. >> (You're probably already doing this.) >> >> Best of Luck, >> [-Rick-] >> >As I find things they'll go into the errata. Most of the issues I have >found so far are things that I want to add should the book ever go to a >second edition, but I have no illusions about the book being error-free. Hi Tim, Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that \"You can never find all the typos.\" Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. [-Rick-]","datePublished":"2006-04-10T20:27:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rick Lyons"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:59:44 -0700, Tim Wescott wrote: (snipped) >> >> Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? >> Start compiling an errata 'cause >> people will start asking you for the book's errata. >> And, of course, the errata can be used to >> improve future printings of your book. >> (You're probably already doing this.) >> >> Best of Luck, >> [-Rick-] >> >As I find things they'll go into the errata. Most of the issues I have >found so far are things that I want to add should the book ever go to a >second edition, but I have no illusions about the book being error-free. Hi Tim, Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that \"You can never find all the typos.\" Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. [-Rick-]","datePublished":"2006-04-10T20:27:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rick Lyons"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:59:44 -0700, Tim Wescott wrote: (snipped) >> >> Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? >> Start compiling an errata 'cause >> people will start asking you for the book's errata. >> And, of course, the errata can be used to >> improve future printings of your book. >> (You're probably already doing this.) >> >> Best of Luck, >> [-Rick-] >> >As I find things they'll go into the errata. Most of the issues I have >found so far are things that I want to add should the book ever go to a >second edition, but I have no illusions about the book being error-free. Hi Tim, Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that \"You can never find all the typos.\" Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. [-Rick-]","datePublished":"2006-04-10T20:27:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rick Lyons"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:59:44 -0700, Tim Wescott wrote: (snipped) >> >> Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? >> Start compiling an errata 'cause >> people will start asking you for the book's errata. >> And, of course, the errata can be used to >> improve future printings of your book. >> (You're probably already doing this.) >> >> Best of Luck, >> [-Rick-] >> >As I find things they'll go into the errata. Most of the issues I have >found so far are things that I want to add should the book ever go to a >second edition, but I have no illusions about the book being error-free. Hi Tim, Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that \"You can never find all the typos.\" Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. [-Rick-]","datePublished":"2006-04-10T20:27:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rick Lyons"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:59:44 -0700, Tim Wescott wrote: (snipped) >> >> Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? >> Start compiling an errata 'cause >> people will start asking you for the book's errata. >> And, of course, the errata can be used to >> improve future printings of your book. >> (You're probably already doing this.) >> >> Best of Luck, >> [-Rick-] >> >As I find things they'll go into the errata. Most of the issues I have >found so far are things that I want to add should the book ever go to a >second edition, but I have no illusions about the book being error-free. Hi Tim, Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that \"You can never find all the typos.\" Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. [-Rick-]","datePublished":"2006-04-10T20:27:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rick Lyons"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:27:31 GMT, R.Lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org (Rick Lyons) wrote: >On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:59:44 -0700, Tim Wescott >wrote: > > (snipped) >>> >>> Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? >>> Start compiling an errata 'cause >>> people will start asking you for the book's errata. >>> And, of course, the errata can be used to >>> improve future printings of your book. >>> (You're probably already doing this.) >>> >>> Best of Luck, >>> [-Rick-] >>> >>As I find things they'll go into the errata. Most of the issues I have >>found so far are things that I want to add should the book ever go to a >>second edition, but I have no illusions about the book being error-free. > >Hi Tim, > > Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the >country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of >Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he >wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend >Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that >\"You can never find all the typos.\" > >Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. > >[-Rick-] Sure you can... offer $25 reward for first reporter of each error. Then every student in the world will be pounding through your book. \"Calculus and Analytic Geometry\" by Thomas did that. By the end of first semester there were no more rewards to be claimed ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.","datePublished":"2006-04-10T20:41:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jim Thompson"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jim Thompson writes: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:27:31 GMT, R.Lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org (Rick Lyons) > wrote: > >>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:59:44 -0700, Tim Wescott >>wrote: >> >> (snipped) >>>> >>>> Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? >>>> Start compiling an errata 'cause >>>> people will start asking you for the book's errata. >>>> And, of course, the errata can be used to >>>> improve future printings of your book. >>>> (You're probably already doing this.) >>>> >>>> Best of Luck, >>>> [-Rick-] >>>> >>>As I find things they'll go into the errata. Most of the issues I have >>>found so far are things that I want to add should the book ever go to a >>>second edition, but I have no illusions about the book being error-free. >> >>Hi Tim, >> >> Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the >>country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of >>Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he >>wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend >>Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that >>\"You can never find all the typos.\" >> >>Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. >> >>[-Rick-] > > Sure you can... offer $25 reward for first reporter of each error. > Then every student in the world will be pounding through your book. > > \"Calculus and Analytic Geometry\" by Thomas did that. By the end of > first semester there were no more rewards to be claimed ;-) Could be a lot of money... -- % Randy Yates % \"My Shangri-la has gone away, fading like %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % the Beatles on 'Hey Jude'\" %%% 919-577-9882 % %%%% % 'Shangri-La', *A New World Record*, ELO http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr","datePublished":"2006-04-10T20:54:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Randy Yates"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Randy Yates wrote: > Jim Thompson writes: > > >>On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:27:31 GMT, R.Lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org (Rick Lyons) >>wrote: >> >> >>>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:59:44 -0700, Tim Wescott >>>wrote: >>> >>> (snipped) >>> >>>>>Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? >>>>>Start compiling an errata 'cause >>>>>people will start asking you for the book's errata. >>>>>And, of course, the errata can be used to >>>>>improve future printings of your book. >>>>>(You're probably already doing this.) >>>>> >>>>>Best of Luck, >>>>>[-Rick-] >>>>> >>>> >>>>As I find things they'll go into the errata. Most of the issues I have >>>>found so far are things that I want to add should the book ever go to a >>>>second edition, but I have no illusions about the book being error-free. >>> >>>Hi Tim, >>> >>> Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the >>>country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of >>>Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he >>>wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend >>>Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that >>>\"You can never find all the typos.\" >>> >>>Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. >>> >>>[-Rick-] >> >>Sure you can... offer $25 reward for first reporter of each error. >>Then every student in the world will be pounding through your book. >> >>\"Calculus and Analytic Geometry\" by Thomas did that. By the end of >>first semester there were no more rewards to be claimed ;-) > > > Could be a lot of money... If you know you plan to do that, maybe not. :-) Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????","datePublished":"2006-04-10T21:22:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jerry Avins"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jim Thompson wrote: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:27:31 GMT, R.Lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org (Rick Lyons) > wrote: > > >>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:59:44 -0700, Tim Wescott >>wrote: >> >> (snipped) >> >>>>Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? >>>>Start compiling an errata 'cause >>>>people will start asking you for the book's errata. >>>>And, of course, the errata can be used to >>>>improve future printings of your book. >>>>(You're probably already doing this.) >>>> >>>>Best of Luck, >>>>[-Rick-] >>>> >>> >>>As I find things they'll go into the errata. Most of the issues I have >>>found so far are things that I want to add should the book ever go to a >>>second edition, but I have no illusions about the book being error-free. >> >>Hi Tim, >> >> Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the >>country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of >>Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he >>wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend >>Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that >>\"You can never find all the typos.\" >> >>Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. >> >>[-Rick-] > > > Sure you can... offer $25 reward for first reporter of each error. > Then every student in the world will be pounding through your book. > > \"Calculus and Analytic Geometry\" by Thomas did that. By the end of > first semester there were no more rewards to be claimed ;-) > > ...Jim Thompson At the rate that I generate typos I'm not sure I could swing it. If I had that much money I'd just go ahead and buy a small South American country, anyway. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/","datePublished":"2006-04-10T21:33:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Tim Wescott"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:54:59 GMT in comp.arch.embedded, Randy Yates wrote: >Jim Thompson writes: > >> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:27:31 GMT, R.Lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org (Rick Lyons) >> wrote: >> [...] >>>wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend >>>Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that >>>\"You can never find all the typos.\" >>> >>>Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. >>> >>>[-Rick-] >> >> Sure you can... offer $25 reward for first reporter of each error. >> Then every student in the world will be pounding through your book. >> >> \"Calculus and Analytic Geometry\" by Thomas did that. By the end of >> first semester there were no more rewards to be claimed ;-) > >Could be a lot of money... Knuth has always offered a bounty of $2.56 for errors found in his books. But I think most people frame the check rather than cash it. I know I would... Regards, -=Dave -- Change is inevitable, progress is not.","datePublished":"2006-04-11T10:39:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Dave Hansen"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"\"Jerry Avins\" wrote in message news:HZmdnbPtIYBMK6fZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@rcn.net... > > They were originally Haloid, a photosensitive-paper company. I thought the > name had been a Polaroid me-too wish. According to one of the muck-a-mucks > downstairs, they almost renamed themselves \"Xeroid\" when they got into dry > reproduction, but thought better of it. By the time I suggested the > palindromic \"XereX\", it was too late. They wouldn't have listened to ma > anyway, so no loss. :-) > Jerry, I always remember Xerex as being a type of antifreeze. Clay","datePublished":"2006-04-11T11:02:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Clay S. Turner"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Clay S. Turner wrote: > \"Jerry Avins\" wrote in message > news:HZmdnbPtIYBMK6fZnZ2dnUVZ_v6dnZ2d@rcn.net... > >>They were originally Haloid, a photosensitive-paper company. I thought the >>name had been a Polaroid me-too wish. According to one of the muck-a-mucks >>downstairs, they almost renamed themselves \"Xeroid\" when they got into dry >>reproduction, but thought better of it. By the time I suggested the >>palindromic \"XereX\", it was too late. They wouldn't have listened to ma >>anyway, so no loss. :-) >> > > > Jerry, > > I always remember Xerex as being a type of antifreeze. So it was! For trademark purposes, is Xerex the same as XereX? The 'xer' for \"dry\" is necessary. Otherwise is could have been xorox. Oh, well! Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????","datePublished":"2006-04-11T11:11:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jerry Avins"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"\"Clay S. Turner\" wrote: > \"Jerry Avins\" wrote in message >> >> They were originally Haloid, a photosensitive-paper company. I >> thought the name had been a Polaroid me-too wish. According to >> one of the muck-a-mucks downstairs, they almost renamed themselves >> \"Xeroid\" when they got into dry reproduction, but thought better >> of it. By the time I suggested the palindromic \"XereX\", it was too >> late. They wouldn't have listened to ma anyway, so no loss. :-) > > I always remember Xerex as being a type of antifreeze. I think that was Zerex. -- \"If you want to post a followup via groups.google.com, don't use the broken \"Reply\" link at the bottom of the article. Click on \"show options\" at the top of the article, then click on the \"Reply\" at the bottom of the article headers.\" - Keith Thompson More details at: Also see","datePublished":"2006-04-11T14:01:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"CBFalconer"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:41:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: (snipped) >>Hi Tim, >> >> Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the >>country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of >>Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he >>wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend >>Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that >>\"You can never find all the typos.\" >> >>Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. >> >>[-Rick-] > >Sure you can... offer $25 reward for first reporter of each error. >Then every student in the world will be pounding through your book. > >\"Calculus and Analytic Geometry\" by Thomas did that. By the end of >first semester there were no more rewards to be claimed ;-) > > ...Jim Thompson Hi Jim, interesting. I'm gonna guess that the typical new textbook has 40-100 errors that should be corrected. So you're talkin' a fair amount of money there. [-Rick-]","datePublished":"2006-04-11T15:30:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rick Lyons"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Rick Lyons wrote: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:41:01 -0700, Jim Thompson > wrote: > > > (snipped) > > >>>Hi Tim, >>> >>> Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the >>>country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of >>>Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he >>>wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend >>>Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that >>>\"You can never find all the typos.\" >>> >>>Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. >>> >>>[-Rick-] >> >>Sure you can... offer $25 reward for first reporter of each error. >>Then every student in the world will be pounding through your book. >> >>\"Calculus and Analytic Geometry\" by Thomas did that. By the end of >>first semester there were no more rewards to be claimed ;-) >> >> ...Jim Thompson > > > Hi Jim, > > interesting. I'm gonna guess that the > typical new textbook has 40-100 errors that > should be corrected. > > So you're talkin' a fair amount of money > there. > > [-Rick-] > But shouldn't that come out of the publisher's cut? After all, what are editors for? ;]","datePublished":"2006-04-11T16:34:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Richard Owlett"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:01:10 -0400, CBFalconer wrote: > \"Clay S. Turner\" wrote: >> \"Jerry Avins\" wrote in message >>> >>> They were originally Haloid, a photosensitive-paper company. I >>> thought the name had been a Polaroid me-too wish. According to >>> one of the muck-a-mucks downstairs, they almost renamed themselves >>> \"Xeroid\" when they got into dry reproduction, but thought better >>> of it. By the time I suggested the palindromic \"XereX\", it was too >>> late. They wouldn't have listened to ma anyway, so no loss. :-) >> >> I always remember Xerex as being a type of antifreeze. > > I think that was Zerex. Yes, and a google search on Xerex turns up some marginally interesting links, none of which is antifreeze. ;-) Zerex is, in fact, antifreeze. Cheers! Rich","datePublished":"2006-04-12T15:59:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rich Grise"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:41:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:27:31 GMT, R.Lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org (Rick Lyons) >>On Sun, 09 Apr 2006 09:59:44 -0700, Tim Wescott >> >> (snipped) >>>> >>>> Tim, ya' know what you might do that's useful? >>>> Start compiling an errata 'cause >>>> people will start asking you for the book's errata. >>>> And, of course, the errata can be used to >>>> improve future printings of your book. >>>> (You're probably already doing this.) >>>> >>>> Best of Luck, >>>> [-Rick-] >>>> >>>As I find things they'll go into the errata. Most of the issues I have >>>found so far are things that I want to add should the book ever go to a >>>second edition, but I have no illusions about the book being error-free. >> >>Hi Tim, >> >> Ha, you may be right. I once had one of the >>country's greatest DSP gurus Fred Harris (of >>Blackman-Harris window fame) tell me that when he >>wrote his DSP book he was warned by his friend >>Bernard Sklar (of digital comms fame) that >>\"You can never find all the typos.\" >> >>Ya' know, I think Sklar is probably correct. >> >>[-Rick-] > Sure you can... offer $25 reward for first reporter of each error. > Then every student in the world will be pounding through your book. > > \"Calculus and Analytic Geometry\" by Thomas did that. By the end of > first semester there were no more rewards to be claimed ;-) Twenty-five bucke!!!????!?!? Geez, I'd proof the whole thing for ten bucks a typo! ;-) Cheers! Rich","datePublished":"2006-04-12T16:00:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rich Grise"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:00:34 GMT, Rich Grise wrote: >On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:41:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: [snip] >> Sure you can... offer $25 reward for first reporter of each error. >> Then every student in the world will be pounding through your book. >> >> \"Calculus and Analytic Geometry\" by Thomas did that. By the end of >> first semester there were no more rewards to be claimed ;-) > >Twenty-five bucke!!!????!?!? Geez, I'd proof the whole thing for ten bucks >a typo! ;-) > >Cheers! >Rich Rich, Looks like you are a cheap date ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.","datePublished":"2006-04-12T16:05:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jim Thompson"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"\"Rich Grise\" wrote in message news:pan.2006.04.12.19.59.13.687959@example.net... > On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:01:10 -0400, CBFalconer wrote: > >> \"Clay S. Turner\" wrote: >>> \"Jerry Avins\" wrote in message >>>> >>>> They were originally Haloid, a photosensitive-paper company. I >>>> thought the name had been a Polaroid me-too wish. According to >>>> one of the muck-a-mucks downstairs, they almost renamed themselves >>>> \"Xeroid\" when they got into dry reproduction, but thought better >>>> of it. By the time I suggested the palindromic \"XereX\", it was too >>>> late. They wouldn't have listened to ma anyway, so no loss. :-) >>> >>> I always remember Xerex as being a type of antifreeze. >> >> I think that was Zerex. > > Yes, and a google search on Xerex turns up some marginally interesting > links, none of which is antifreeze. ;-) Zerex is, in fact, antifreeze. > > Actually I found quite a few google links to antifreeze with the apparently misspelled Xerex in place of Zerex. Regardless of the spelling the pronuciation is the same and companies likely would not want to have their product confused for another with a similar name. Clay","datePublished":"2006-04-12T17:38:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Clay S. Turner"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:00:34 GMT, Rich Grise > wrote: > > > >Twenty-five bucke!!!????!?!? Geez, I'd proof the whole thing for ten bucks > >a typo! ;-) > > > >Cheers! > >Rich > > Rich, Looks like you are a cheap date ;-) What else is new? -- Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to prove it. Member of DAV #85. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida","datePublished":"2006-04-12T18:45:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Michael A. Terrell"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Tue, 11 Apr 2006 14:34:07 -0500, Richard Owlett wrote: >Rick Lyons wrote: > (snipped) >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> interesting. I'm gonna guess that the >> typical new textbook has 40-100 errors that >> should be corrected. >> >> So you're talkin' a fair amount of money >> there. >> >> [-Rick-] >> > >But shouldn't that come out of the publisher's cut? >After all, what are editors for? ;] Hi Rich, ah but no magazine editor or book editor that I know of is capable of detecting technical errors, for example in an equation. They're not skilled in all aspects of every engineering topic (no one is). So the editors are expecting that the content of a magazine article, or a technical book, is correct. It's up to the author to make sure the material is correct. The problem is: once an author writes some technical material that author is the *LEAST* reliable person on the planet Earth to find mistakes in that material. I'm sure you know that. So, ... finding a competent person to review technical writing is **VERY** important. The problem is: reviewing tech material in a thorough way is painful, unpleasant, and yields almost no reward. So it's a royal pain to ask reviewers to carefully review your writing and then tell those reviewers that, by the way, there's no reward for their efforts. See Ya', [-Rick-]","datePublished":"2006-04-12T21:30:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rick Lyons"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 12:05:22 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: > On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 19:00:34 GMT, Rich Grise > wrote: > >>On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 16:41:01 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote: > [snip] >>> Sure you can... offer $25 reward for first reporter of each error. >>> Then every student in the world will be pounding through your book. >>> >>> \"Calculus and Analytic Geometry\" by Thomas did that. By the end of >>> first semester there were no more rewards to be claimed ;-) >> >>Twenty-five bucke!!!????!?!? Geez, I'd proof the whole thing for ten bucks >>a typo! ;-) >> >>Cheers! >>Rich > > Rich, Looks like you are a cheap date ;-) > > ...Jim Thompson Yeah, well, so was Cinderella! Cheers! Rich -- -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- Version: 3.1 GAT(E P) dpu s: a++ C++@ P+ L++>+ !E W+ N++ o? K? w-- !O !M !V PS+++ PE Y+ PGP- t 5+++)-; X- R- tv+ b+ DI++++>+ D-? G e+$ h+ r-- z+ ------END GEEK CODE BLOCK------","datePublished":"2006-04-12T21:34:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rich Grise, but drunk"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Rick Lyons wrote: > ah but no magazine editor or book editor > that I know of is capable of detecting > technical errors, for example in an True, but at least for books, there is technical review before release.","datePublished":"2006-04-12T23:14:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"larwe"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On 12 Apr 2006 19:14:23 -0700, \"larwe\" wrote: > >Rick Lyons wrote: > >> ah but no magazine editor or book editor >> that I know of is capable of detecting >> technical errors, for example in an > >True, but at least for books, there is technical review before release. Hi, Yes. There usually, but not always, is a tech review of proposed manuscripts. [-Rick-]","datePublished":"2006-04-13T15:06:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rick Lyons"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Rick Lyons wrote: > On 12 Apr 2006 19:14:23 -0700, \"larwe\" wrote: > > >>Rick Lyons wrote: >> >> >>> ah but no magazine editor or book editor >>>that I know of is capable of detecting >>>technical errors, for example in an >> >>True, but at least for books, there is technical review before release. > > > Hi, > Yes. There usually, but not always, is > a tech review of proposed manuscripts. > > [-Rick-] > Rick, you're talking to the (or at least one of) my copy editor(s). Lewin -- did you go over all the math, then? -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/","datePublished":"2006-04-13T15:11:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Tim Wescott"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:11:46 -0700, Tim Wescott wrote: >> >Rick, you're talking to the (or at least one of) my copy editor(s). > >Lewin -- did you go over all the math, then? > >Tim Wescott Hi Tim, Ah ha. Interesting. The reason I said there is \"usually\" a technical review is because the last technical book that I bought contained SOOooo many technical errors that it's clear that no tech review was performed. None! The typical tech book has a silly little \"typo\" or misspelled word once every 20-30 pages. The book I bought had an average of more than one \"typo\" per page!! I am NOT joking. (One page contained four \"typos\"!!) What an unprofessional mess by both the authors and the Publisher. [-Rick-]","datePublished":"2006-04-13T17:04:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rick Lyons"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"Rick Lyons wrote: > What an unprofessional mess by both the > authors and the Publisher. Name them, or at least the publisher. It might induce them to shape up. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????","datePublished":"2006-04-13T17:55:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Jerry Avins"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 16:55:18 -0400, Jerry Avins wrote: >Rick Lyons wrote: > >> What an unprofessional mess by both the >> authors and the Publisher. > >Name them, or at least the publisher. It might induce them to shape up. > >Jerry Hi Jer, I knew what I'd written probably sounded very mysterious by my not giving any specifics. I didn't give the book's title, right now, for legal reasons. However, the publisher was SAMS Publishing (Indianapolis, Indiana). I will *NEVER* buy a SAMS book, sigh unseen, again. [-Rick-]","datePublished":"2006-04-14T10:30:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"Rick Lyons"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"I am the person who wrote that page you link as http://www.proles.net/emailencoder/. I have written a new site, http://www.addressmunger.com which does the same as the old encoder/munger. It can now also encode your email address into a javascript function for the (slightly) more advanced users but much better protection. I would greatly appreciate it if you would update your link on the site. Thanks Juan, AddressMunger.com >Jim Thompson wrote: > >[...] > >>>So try >>> >>> http://www.proles.net/emailencoder/ >>> >>>No JS, no spam, no pain. It works. >> >>Yep. It's a Java encoder that I scarfed from someplace I can't even >>remember. >> >>I'll look up your reference and see what it does. >> >>Some ass has enrolled that address in some spam sites :-( >> >>So I'll probably go with some kind of form method. >> >> ...Jim Thompson >>-- >>| James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | >>| Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | >>| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | >>| Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | >>| E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | >>| http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | >> >>I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. > >The encoder substitutes different methods of coding ascii. For example, the >letter \"A\" can be expressed as decimal 65 or hex 41. The encoding is >particularly effective if the \"mailto:\" prefix is included. > >A browser automatically restores the string and loads the email client, but >email harvesters apparently don't have the capability to do any decoding. >Maybe it takes too long, or they figure there are too many different >methods and they don't have time to see if the decoded address is valid. > >I used to get large amounts of spam from my web site when the email address >was in plain ascii, but haven't got a single spam message since I changed >to this encoding method several years ago. One problem is when someone >saves your address in their client, and they subscribe to some chat page >that requires they download software. The software then goes through their >address book and sends all the addresses to a spam site. You can tell what >happened when you start getting spam messages saying so-and-so is waiting >for you to join her chat site. In this case I used several different email >adresses with spammotel so it was easy to see who had the problem. > >When your email address gets on a spam list, it is useless. The only >solution seems to be to delete it and put a new one on your web site. As >long as you tell everyone to use the contact page instead of saving your >address in their client, they will be able to contact you with no problem. >But anyone as popular as you should plan on changing email addresses >regularly. > >SpamMotel is a bit of a pain when you want to reply to a message, so you >need an ISP that allows you to manage your own addresses. I recently >switched from sympatico to concito.net. This is the very best ISP I have >ever seen. They charge $8.95/mo for 56k dialup, have local numbers all >across the US and Canada, offer 20 email addresses you can manage yourself, >and have a three year expiration on newsgroup postings, including binaries. >So you can continue posting your pdf schematics to abse, and I can still >get them years later! > >They are having a small problem with logging on newsgroups right now, but >they say it's their upstream provider. They have been very responsive in >the past, so I'll let them play for a while before starting to make load >noises. > >Regards, > >Mike >","datePublished":"2006-04-23T08:28:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"dominicanpapi82"}},{"@type":"Comment","text":"This thread would have never come to my attention if there weren't info posted about my site, posted with a name that I use on other sites. I am the (real) creator of AddressMunger.com. And I do use the name dominicanpapi82 on some other sites. However, I have never used it on google adsense, this thread, nor anywhere in groups.google.com. I would like to know who posted the above info. Please contact me at my email address, OffTheDome (*AT*) gmail (*DOT*) com .","datePublished":"2006-05-12T17:38:00-03:00","author":{"@type":"Person","name":"AM"}}],"commentCount":156,"interactionStatistic":{"@type":"InteractionCounter","interactionType":"https://schema.org/CommentAction","userInteractionCount":156}}
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[Shameless Plug] A New Book

Started by Tim Wescott ●April 7, 2006
"Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems".  By me.

The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the 
Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it 
drop-shipped to their booth.

It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched 
headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for 
control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and 
even folks who are already experienced with both.

You can get it from my favorite bookstore: 
http://www.powells.com/partner/30696/s?kw=Wescott+Tim.

You can see what Elsevier says about it: 
http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/bookdescription.cws_home/707797/description#description

If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and 
contact me by email with bad reviews.

Thanks.

-- 

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Posting from Google?  See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/
Reply by robert bristow-johnson ●April 7, 20062006-04-07
serious and heartfelt congrats, Tim.

Tim Wescott wrote:

> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems".  By me.
>
> The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the
> Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it
> drop-shipped to their booth.
>
> It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched
> headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for
> control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and
> even folks who are already experienced with both.
>
> If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and
> contact me by email with bad reviews.


i like this guy's transparency.

r b-j
Reply by robert bristow-johnson ●April 7, 20062006-04-07
serious and heartfelt congrats, Tim.

Tim Wescott wrote:

> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems".  By me.
>
> The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the
> Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it
> drop-shipped to their booth.
>
> It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched
> headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for
> control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and
> even folks who are already experienced with both.
>
> If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and
> contact me by email with bad reviews.


i like this guy's transparency.

r b-j
Reply by robert bristow-johnson ●April 7, 20062006-04-07
serious and heartfelt congrats, Tim.

Tim Wescott wrote:

> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems".  By me.
>
> The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the
> Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it
> drop-shipped to their booth.
>
> It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched
> headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for
> control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and
> even folks who are already experienced with both.
>
> If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and
> contact me by email with bad reviews.


i like this guy's transparency.

r b-j
Reply by robert bristow-johnson ●April 7, 20062006-04-07
serious and heartfelt congrats, Tim.

Tim Wescott wrote:

> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems".  By me.
>
> The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the
> Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it
> drop-shipped to their booth.
>
> It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched
> headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for
> control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and
> even folks who are already experienced with both.
>
> If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and
> contact me by email with bad reviews.


i like this guy's transparency.

r b-j
Reply by robert bristow-johnson ●April 7, 20062006-04-07
serious and heartfelt congrats, Tim.

Tim Wescott wrote:

> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems".  By me.
>
> The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the
> Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it
> drop-shipped to their booth.
>
> It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched
> headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for
> control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and
> even folks who are already experienced with both.
>
> If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and
> contact me by email with bad reviews.


i like this guy's transparency.

r b-j
Reply by robert bristow-johnson ●April 7, 20062006-04-07
serious and heartfelt congrats, Tim.

Tim Wescott wrote:

> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems".  By me.
>
> The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the
> Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it
> drop-shipped to their booth.
>
> It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched
> headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for
> control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and
> even folks who are already experienced with both.
>
> If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and
> contact me by email with bad reviews.


i like this guy's transparency.

r b-j
Reply by robert bristow-johnson ●April 7, 20062006-04-07
serious and heartfelt congrats, Tim.

Tim Wescott wrote:

> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems".  By me.
>
> The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the
> Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it
> drop-shipped to their booth.
>
> It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched
> headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for
> control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and
> even folks who are already experienced with both.
>
> If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and
> contact me by email with bad reviews.


i like this guy's transparency.

r b-j
Reply by robert bristow-johnson ●April 7, 20062006-04-07
serious and heartfelt congrats, Tim.

Tim Wescott wrote:

> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems".  By me.
>
> The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the
> Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it
> drop-shipped to their booth.
>
> It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched
> headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for
> control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and
> even folks who are already experienced with both.
>
> If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and
> contact me by email with bad reviews.


i like this guy's transparency.

r b-j
Reply by robert bristow-johnson ●April 7, 20062006-04-07
serious and heartfelt congrats, Tim.

Tim Wescott wrote:

> "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems".  By me.
>
> The first few copies have made it into the hands of the public, at the
> Embedded Systems Conference in San Jose, thanks to Elsevier having it
> drop-shipped to their booth.
>
> It's mostly for embedded software engineers who are being pitched
> headfirst into control systems, but it should also be helpful for
> control engineers who are being pitched headfirst into software, and
> even folks who are already experienced with both.
>
> If you get it and read it, please post all good reviews to Amazon, and
> contact me by email with bad reviews.


i like this guy's transparency.

r b-j