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How much is lost in translation here?
http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/introducing-the-book-p1.php

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On 23 Mar, 19:24, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> How much is lost in translation here?http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/introducing-the-book-p1.php

Very little. Subtitled movies from a foreign language is
always problematic to some extent, in my experience
(Norwegian TV and cinema never dubs, but subtitles
foreign material and keeps the original sound), but
as far as subtitling goes, this one is actually very
good[*].

What might become lost is the idiosyncratic "oh?"s and
"ah!"s which fly like ping-pong balls between the two
characters. As I understand, the "melodic" nature of
the Norwegian language in the south-east region, where
these two actors come from, sounds a bit awkward to
foreigners.

(And to tell the truth, to me too, me originating from
the northern parts of the country. But don't tell anyone
I said that...)

Rune

[*] There are, apparently, several versions of this snippet
    flying around out there. I have seen it before, and
    my comments relate to this other version. Since I
    currently am posting through a low-bandwidth net,
    I didn't check the particular version linked above.

Jerry Avins wrote:

> How much is lost in translation here?
> http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/introducing-the-book-p1.php
> 
> Jerry

I don't know how much was lost in translation, but the IT guys at my one 
really big client absolutely loved it.

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On Mar 24, 12:42 am, "Rune Allnor" <all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:
>
> What might become lost is the idiosyncratic "oh?"s and
> "ah!"s which fly like ping-pong balls between the two
> characters. As I understand, the "melodic" nature of
> the Norwegian language in the south-east region, where
> these two actors come from, sounds a bit awkward to
> foreigners.
>
> (And to tell the truth, to me too, me originating from
> the northern parts of the country.

like Bodo?  my wife was there once.  it was in the 80's when she was a
college student and had a summer and a Eurorail pass.  she also
visited the DDR.  i have never been above the Arctic circle although i
grew up pretty far north for the 48 states (at 48 degrees) where it
can be colder than a sorceress's bosom (in a metallic bra) and some
Norwegian accent is commonly heard.  and sometimes lampooned, "ya
vell, vat the hell, Ole. you betcha." we had, for our high-school
principal, a second generation Norwegian who could seem to get no
respect from the students: "ya vell, vair should ve be now, vat are
you doing here?"  Rune, don't take any of this seriously, but it's
been useful comic material for Prarie Home Companion and the movie
Fargo.  but some of this Norwegian-American culture i must admit was
pretty disgusting to me, e.g. Lawrence Welk, a sorta goodie-goodie
North Dakota counterpart to the Italian-American Frank Sinatra, and
whom my parents loved.

i heard that Bodo was reasonably mild which is not what i've heard
about Fairbanks Alaska which is not even as far north as the Arctic
circle.

r b-j

On 24 Mar, 06:54, "robert bristow-johnson" <r...@audioimagination.com>
wrote:
> On Mar 24, 12:42 am, "Rune Allnor" <all...@tele.ntnu.no> wrote:
>
>
>
> > What might become lost is the idiosyncratic "oh?"s and
> > "ah!"s which fly like ping-pong balls between the two
> > characters. As I understand, the "melodic" nature of
> > the Norwegian language in the south-east region, where
> > these two actors come from, sounds a bit awkward to
> > foreigners.
>
> > (And to tell the truth, to me too, me originating from
> > the northern parts of the country.
>
> like Bodo?

Pretty spot on: I grew up some 100 km from Bod=F8.

> my wife was there once.  it was in the 80's when she was a
> college student and had a summer and a Eurorail pass.  she also
> visited the DDR.  i have never been above the Arctic circle although i
> grew up pretty far north for the 48 states (at 48 degrees) where it
> can be colder than a sorceress's bosom (in a metallic bra) and some
> Norwegian accent is commonly heard.  and sometimes lampooned, "ya
> vell, vat the hell, Ole. you betcha."  we had, for our high-school
> principal, a second generation Norwegian who could seem to get no
> respect from the students: "ya vell, vair should ve be now, vat are
> you doing here?"  Rune, don't take any of this seriously, but it's
> been useful comic material

No need to excuse yourself to *me* about parodic Norwegians...
Remembering some of the posts I've written, I think
it would be hard to find a Norwegian more sterotypic or
parodic than yours truly...

There was a parody made on Norwegians speaking (poor)
English made a few years ago. The languages are so similar
that people learn English just by listening to the radio
or TV, which means one picks up small snippets without
learning it properly. So people mix Norwegian words in,
or translate idioms literally. And the accent. Good
fun, if one is blessed with that sense of humor.

> for Prarie Home Companion and the movie
> Fargo.

I saw the movie "Fargo". The sterotypes didn't fit too
well with contemporary native Norwegians. The music of
the opening scene of that film was interesting, though.
The (american) composer had used a traditional Norwegian
fiddle which has a very distinctive sound. around here
we only hear this particular fiddle used by hard-core
folk musicians from very defined parts of the country.
Hearing the fiddle totally out of the usual context
was very enlightening.

> but some of this Norwegian-American culture i must admit was
> pretty disgusting to me, e.g. Lawrence Welk, a sorta goodie-goodie
> North Dakota counterpart to the Italian-American Frank Sinatra, and
> whom my parents loved.

I don't know too much about the North American expatriate
soceties, except that certain Norewegian dialects were
preserved there (for all I know, the still may be) for
several generations after the emigrants left Norway.
Linguists loved to go over there to get a glimpse
of times past, 100-150 years ago, what the Norwegian
language was concerned.

> i heard that Bodo was reasonably mild which is not what i've heard
> about Fairbanks Alaska which is not even as far north as the Arctic
> circle.

Bod=F8 is approximately 100 km north of the arctic circle.
The climate is mild, rarely below -10C, due to being
at the coast and the Gulf stream. It is windy and wet,
though, as all the rain clouds generated over the North
Atlantic are blocked by the Scandinavic mountain range,
releasing their "moist contents" over the coast.

Some friend of mine, who used to hike in the mountains
across to Sweden, told me they could often see the
national border as the line where the coulds stopped
and the clear weather (over Sweden) started.

Rune

Rune Allnor wrote:

> On 23 Mar, 19:24, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> How much is lost in translation
>> here?http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/introducing-the-book-p1.php
> 
> [..]
> 
> What might become lost is the idiosyncratic "oh?"s and
> "ah!"s which fly like ping-pong balls between the two
> characters. As I understand, the "melodic" nature of
> the Norwegian language in the south-east region, where
> these two actors come from, sounds a bit awkward to
> foreigners.

Det er det som jeg liker mest ;-) [1]

> (And to tell the truth, to me too, me originating from
> the northern parts of the country. But don't tell anyone
> I said that...)

Hihi ...

Next vacation is in planning: could become a cycle trip from 
Trondheim to Bod&#4294967295;, with lots of island hopping on RV17.
I passed this area by train in 1983 and have never been there since
(and before). Any specific hints what not to miss?
 
[1] This is what I like most.

bye
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On 26 Mar, 11:10, Andreas Huennebeck <a...@gmx.de> wrote:
> Rune Allnor wrote:
> > On 23 Mar, 19:24, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> How much is lost in translation
> >> here?http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2007/introducing-the-book-p1.p=
hp
>
> > [..]
>
> > What might become lost is the idiosyncratic "oh?"s and
> > "ah!"s which fly like ping-pong balls between the two
> > characters. As I understand, the "melodic" nature of
> > the Norwegian language in the south-east region, where
> > these two actors come from, sounds a bit awkward to
> > foreigners.
>
> Det er det som jeg liker mest ;-) [1]

Where did you learn to write Norwegian that well?!

> > (And to tell the truth, to me too, me originating from
> > the northern parts of the country. But don't tell anyone
> > I said that...)
>
> Hihi ...
>
> Next vacation is in planning: could become a cycle trip from

"Cycle" as in "bicycle" or "rund trip"?

> Trondheim to Bod=F6, with lots of island hopping on RV17.
> I passed this area by train in 1983 and have never been there since
> (and before). Any specific hints what not to miss?

This is a trip I have been planning for years. I usually drive
from Trondheim to Fauske (60 km east of Bod=F8) along the E6 which
runs inland. Going the coastal Rv17 has been a dream for years,
but either time or $$ have been missing...

It is posible to (legally...) drive the E6 from Trondheim to
Bod=F8 in some 10-11 hours. On the Rv 17, it may be possible
to go in, say 15-20hrs, depending on other traffic and ferries.
If I were to make a recommendation, spend at least 4-5 days
on the trip (if going by car), make sure to visit places
like R=F8rvik and Br=F8nn=F8ysund, not to mention islands like Vega
and Tr=E6na.

Make sure to bring clothing for windy, wet, cool (+5C to +10C )
weather. As the saying goes "there is no bad weather, only bad
clothing." A gore-tex outfit and a woolen sweather should
always be available to you, as should water-proof shoes or
boots. A pair of mittens might come in handy (no pun intended).

If you bring a camper van, make sure to pay attention to
other traffic, frive off the road often, to let accumulated
following traffic by. Norwegians are very sensitive to
foreigners driving under-powered camper vans who pay
more attention to scenery than traffic. The roads are
not dimensioned for arbitrary overtaking, so lots of
people become very upset when slowed down by camper vans.

If you go by bicycle, bring precautions for sudden, bad
weather (cold wind and rain). I would recommend one
Fjellduken Original per person,

http://info.jerven.no/

A bit pricey (NOK 1000 ~ USD 150), but believe me, one
of those shelters is invaluable once the bad weather
sets in.

Apart from that, have a nice trip!

Rune

Rune Allnor wrote:

> On 26 Mar, 11:10, Andreas Huennebeck <a...@gmx.de> wrote:
>> Rune Allnor wrote:
>> > [..] As I understand, the "melodic" nature of
>> > the Norwegian language in the south-east region, where
>> > these two actors come from, sounds a bit awkward to
>> > foreigners.
>>
>> Det er det som jeg liker mest ;-) [1]
> 
> Where did you learn to write Norwegian that well?!

In evening school, by a german/norwegian teacher.
It's actually very easy to learn norwegian if you know
german and english, since many norwegian words can be
derived from either of these languages.

>> Next vacation is in planning: could become a cycle trip from
> 
> "Cycle" as in "bicycle" or "rund trip"?

Bicycle. 
 
>> Trondheim to Bod&#4294967295;, with lots of island hopping on RV17.
>> I passed this area by train in 1983 and have never been there since
>> (and before). Any specific hints what not to miss?
> 
> This is a trip I have been planning for years. I usually drive
> from Trondheim to Fauske (60 km east of Bod&#4294967295;) along the E6 which
> runs inland. Going the coastal Rv17 has been a dream for years,
> but either time or $$ have been missing...
> 
> It is posible to (legally...) drive the E6 from Trondheim to
> Bod&#4294967295; in some 10-11 hours. On the Rv 17, it may be possible
> to go in, say 15-20hrs, depending on other traffic and ferries.
> If I were to make a recommendation, spend at least 4-5 days
> on the trip (if going by car), make sure to visit places
> like R&#4294967295;rvik and Br&#4294967295;nn&#4294967295;ysund, not to mention islands like Vega
> and Tr&#4294967295;na.

We should have about 4 weeks time for the whole journey.
Trip back via Hurtigrute, as usual (see below).

> Make sure to bring clothing for windy, wet, cool (+5C to +10C )
> weather. As the saying goes "there is no bad weather, only bad
> clothing." A gore-tex outfit and a woolen sweather should
> always be available to you, as should water-proof shoes or
> boots. A pair of mittens might come in handy (no pun intended).

Full ack. Be prepared for the worst and find the best.
We already did several trips by bicycle: 
1. Gothenburg - Str&#4294967295;mstad - Larvik - Skien (Telemarkskanalen) - Dalen
    Rjukan - Notodden - Oslo
2. Troms&#4294967295; - A i Lofoten (back with Hurtigrute)
3. Troms&#4294967295; - Mehamn (Nordkyn, back with Hurtigrute)
   (we had 30 degrees in Mehamn :-)

> If you go by bicycle, bring precautions for sudden, bad
> weather (cold wind and rain). I would recommend one
> Fjellduken Original per person,
> 
> http://info.jerven.no/
> 
> A bit pricey (NOK 1000 ~ USD 150), but believe me, one
> of those shelters is invaluable once the bad weather
> sets in.

We have down sleeping bags and a Hilleberg tent, that should be
sufficient. And in all those trips we never had more than maybe 3 days 
of really bad weather in 4 weeks. We're just lucky.

> Apart from that, have a nice trip!

Thanks.
Andreas
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On 26 Mar, 17:33, Andreas Huennebeck <a...@gmx.de> wrote:

> We should have about 4 weeks time for the whole journey.

Maybe you should consider starting in Trondheim, start on the
south side of the fjord to visit islands Sm=F8la, Hitra and
Fr=F8ya, then take the ferry across the fjord near =D8rlandet
and continue as planned from there. It depends a bit on
what tempo you consider for the bicycle ride...

> Trip back via Hurtigrute, as usual (see below).

Briliant. The most beautiful part of the Hurtigruten
journey...

> > If you go by bicycle, bring precautions for sudden, bad
> > weather (cold wind and rain). I would recommend one
> > Fjellduken Original per person,
>
> >http://info.jerven.no/
>
> > A bit pricey (NOK 1000 ~ USD 150), but believe me, one
> > of those shelters is invaluable once the bad weather
> > sets in.
>
> We have down sleeping bags and a Hilleberg tent, that should be
> sufficient. And in all those trips we never had more than maybe 3 days
> of really bad weather in 4 weeks. We're just lucky.

OK. I would recommend that you check out the Fjellduken
while you are here, though. This is not a substitute for
the tent, but an emergency measure in case really bad
weather kicks you down suddenly. The best places to check
these things out would be near mountain areas, where people
know and use these sorts of things. On your suggested route,
places like =D8rnes or Glomfjord come to mind.

Rune

Rune Allnor schrieb:

> On 26 Mar, 17:33, Andreas Huennebeck <a...@gmx.de> wrote:
> 
>> We should have about 4 weeks time for the whole journey.
> 
> Maybe you should consider starting in Trondheim, start on the
> south side of the fjord to visit islands Sm&#4294967295;la, Hitra and
> Fr&#4294967295;ya, then take the ferry across the fjord near &#4294967295;rlandet
> and continue as planned from there.

We've been to Fr&#4294967295;ya in 1997 and it's a very nice place.
Lots of fish too ;-) Only the bad past reminds itself in 
Titran ... at least if you're german :-(

> It depends a bit on 
> what tempo you consider for the bicycle ride...

Since we carry everything on the bike the typical day trip is somehwre
between 55 and 65 km at the begin, and can be up to 100km is necessary
at the end (which was the case in Finnmark due to the long distances).
I can carry up to30 kg on my recumbent bike plus a few kg more when 
shopping for food, but it really slows me down when it gets steep.

And as you already recommended: we like to do detours off the beaten
track because there the real adventure starts, and you find places which
are fantastic and almost nobody knows them and you have them just for
yourself. Of course these detours cost time but it's vacation, so what!
Some places are so beautiful that you don't want to travel further
and then we rent a hut for a few days, like we did on S&#4294967295;r&#4294967295;ya and Senja.
If time runs out I drive to the next harbour and take the Hurtigrute 
back - this is in my view the biggest point in cycling the norwegian
coastline. All in all the distance covered during such a cycle trip
varies between 800 and 1200 km.

>> Trip back via Hurtigrute, as usual (see below).
> 
> Briliant. The most beautiful part of the Hurtigruten
> journey...

I thought the most beautiful part is at the Lofoten. At least
90% of the pictures in the Hurtigruten catalogue are from Lofoten.
But I'm glad to hear that other areas are at least quite as nice.

>> > If you go by bicycle, bring precautions for sudden, bad
>> > weather (cold wind and rain). I would recommend one
>> > Fjellduken Original per person,
>>
>> >http://info.jerven.no/
>>
>> > A bit pricey (NOK 1000 ~ USD 150), but believe me, one
>> > of those shelters is invaluable once the bad weather
>> > sets in.
>>
>> We have down sleeping bags and a Hilleberg tent, that should be
>> sufficient. And in all those trips we never had more than maybe 3 days
>> of really bad weather in 4 weeks. We're just lucky.
> 
> OK. I would recommend that you check out the Fjellduken
> while you are here, though. This is not a substitute for
> the tent, but an emergency measure in case really bad
> weather kicks you down suddenly. 

I see, its like those bivuac sacks I use on alpine ski trips for
emergency purposes, but probably stronger since its heavier.

> The best places to check 
> these things out would be near mountain areas, where people
> know and use these sorts of things. On your suggested route,
> places like &#4294967295;rnes or Glomfjord come to mind.

OK, I'll have a look, it's probably very good stuff like most
norwegian outdoor gear. So far I'm very happy with my Devold sports
wear I bought in Hammerfest on the last trip.

Takk for allt, Ha det bra
Andreas
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