I am looking for audio software that allows conversion of 16-bit WAVs and 8-bit WAVs to 1-bit WAVs. I have used Adobe Audition and CakeWalk Pyro. Neither of them work. CakeWalk does have a "bit-depth converter" as a FX, however, when I try to use it, I get a runtime error and Cakewalk automatically closes.
1-Bit Wave File?
Started by ●May 16, 2004
Reply by ●May 16, 20042004-05-16
curious11112001@yahoo.com (Curious) writes:> I am looking for audio software that allows conversion of 16-bit WAVs > and 8-bit WAVs to 1-bit WAVs.Why do you want to convert to a 1-bit WAV? -- % Randy Yates % "Maybe one day I'll feel her cold embrace, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % and kiss her interface, %%% 919-577-9882 % til then, I'll leave her alone." %%%% <yates@ieee.org> % 'Yours Truly, 2095', *Time*, ELO http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr
Reply by ●May 16, 20042004-05-16
On 16 May 2004 14:30:43 -0700, curious11112001@yahoo.com (Curious) wrote:>I am looking for audio software that allows conversion of 16-bit WAVs >and 8-bit WAVs to 1-bit WAVs. I have used Adobe Audition and CakeWalk >Pyro. Neither of them work. CakeWalk does have a "bit-depth converter" >as a FX, however, when I try to use it, I get a runtime error and >Cakewalk automatically closes.The wave editor in Magix's mp3 maker can do that. But all you get is noise. Do you understand what bit depth is all about? Abbedd
Reply by ●May 17, 20042004-05-17
Curious wrote:> I am looking for audio software that allows conversion of 16-bit WAVs > and 8-bit WAVs to 1-bit WAVs. I have used Adobe Audition and CakeWalk > Pyro. Neither of them work. CakeWalk does have a "bit-depth converter" > as a FX, however, when I try to use it, I get a runtime error and > Cakewalk automatically closes.Do you really want a 1-bit on/off signal or did you mean to ask about 1-bit delta sigma modulation?
Reply by ●May 18, 20042004-05-18
On 2004-05-16, Curious <curious11112001@yahoo.com> wrote:> I am looking for audio software that allows conversion of 16-bit WAVs > and 8-bit WAVs to 1-bit WAVs. I have used Adobe Audition and CakeWalk > Pyro. Neither of them work. CakeWalk does have a "bit-depth converter" > as a FX, however, when I try to use it, I get a runtime error and > Cakewalk automatically closes.The software in the Roland SP-808 lets you do this...in real time, even. You use a knob to select the number of bits. Plus, it lets you adjust the sample rate and even whether or not you want the noise-shaping filter turned on! p.s. I found this link on Randy Yates' page about noise-shaping... http://home.earthlink.net/~yatescr/noiseb.ps I think a line from that paper may answer Randy's question about WHY you want to do this: "...quantisation of highly correlated signals (such as music) results in tonal distortion components being added to the signal." rock and roll, -N -- different MP3 every day! http://gweep.net/~shifty/snackmaster . . . . . . . . ... . . . . . . "Maybe if you ever picked up a goddamn keyboard | Niente and compiler, you'd know yourself." -Matthew 7:1 | shifty@gweep.net
Reply by ●May 18, 20042004-05-18
Tachyon wrote:> > I think a line from that paper may answer Randy's question about > WHY you want to do this: > > "...quantisation of highly correlated signals (such as music) results > in tonal distortion components being added to the signal."A little understanding can be a dangerous thing. With a 1 bit PCM data stream, there is effectively no recogisable signal. I think Randy may have been talking about bit-depths down to around 8 bits. However even this quanisation noise is not a type of distortion that is likely to sound in any way pleasant in pretty much any style of music. geoff
Reply by ●May 18, 20042004-05-18
"Geoff Wood" <geoff@paf.co.nz-nospam> wrote in message news:eRtqc.2892$FN.302696@news02.tsnz.net...> Tachyon wrote: > > > I think a line from that paper may answer Randy's question about > > WHY you want to do this: > > > > "...quantisation of highly correlated signals (such as music) results > > in tonal distortion components being added to the signal." > > A little understanding can be a dangerous thing. > > With a 1 bit PCM data stream, there is effectively no recogisable signal. I > think Randy may have been talking about bit-depths down to around 8 bits. > However even this quanisation noise is not a type of distortion that is > likely to sound in any way pleasant in pretty much any style of music.Even with 1 bit, if properly dithered, you should be able to recognize the signal, though it will be buried in noise. I'm wondering the OP wants to convert to some type of SACD (1-bit but very high SR) format?
Reply by ●May 18, 20042004-05-18
On 2004-05-18, Geoff Wood <geoff@paf.co.nz-nospam> wrote:> Tachyon wrote: > >> >> I think a line from that paper may answer Randy's question about >> WHY you want to do this: >> >> "...quantisation of highly correlated signals (such as music) results >> in tonal distortion components being added to the signal." > > > A little understanding can be a dangerous thing. > > With a 1 bit PCM data stream, there is effectively no recogisable signal. I > think Randy may have been talking about bit-depths down to around 8 bits. > However even this quanisation noise is not a type of distortion that is > likely to sound in any way pleasant in pretty much any style of music.Fans of the Atari 2600 sound chip TIA beg to differ :) Each of its voices is capable of about 6 unique waveforms, each of which is a train of 0's and 1's. Additionally, square and PWM waveforms, staples of much electronic music, are 1-bit waveforms. Curiously enough, the TIA can't quite make 50% duty cycle square waves, but several close matches, like 15/31 :) -- different MP3 every day! http://gweep.net/~shifty/snackmaster . . . . . . . . ... . . . . . . "Maybe if you ever picked up a goddamn keyboard | Niente and compiler, you'd know yourself." -Matthew 7:1 | shifty@gweep.net
Reply by ●May 19, 20042004-05-19
Tachyon wrote:> On 2004-05-18, Geoff Wood <geoff@paf.co.nz-nospam> wrote: > >>Tachyon wrote: >> >> >>>I think a line from that paper may answer Randy's question about >>>WHY you want to do this: >>> >>>"...quantisation of highly correlated signals (such as music) results >>> in tonal distortion components being added to the signal." >> >> >>A little understanding can be a dangerous thing. >> >>With a 1 bit PCM data stream, there is effectively no recogisable signal. I >>think Randy may have been talking about bit-depths down to around 8 bits. >>However even this quanisation noise is not a type of distortion that is >>likely to sound in any way pleasant in pretty much any style of music. > > > Fans of the Atari 2600 sound chip TIA beg to differ :) Each of its > voices is capable of about 6 unique waveforms, > each of which is a train of 0's and 1's. > > Additionally, square and PWM waveforms, staples of much electronic music, > are 1-bit waveforms. > > Curiously enough, the TIA can't quite make 50% duty cycle square > waves, but several close matches, like 15/31 :)That's all gobbledygook for all the OP cares. He wants to CONVERT .wav files to 1-bit form. Either he knows why he wants it, or he doesn't know what he wants. Either way, talk of TIA and PWM won't help him. Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
Reply by ●May 19, 20042004-05-19
On 2004-05-19, Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote:> Tachyon wrote: >> On 2004-05-18, Geoff Wood <geoff@paf.co.nz-nospam> wrote: >> >>>Tachyon wrote: >>> >>> >>>>I think a line from that paper may answer Randy's question about >>>>WHY you want to do this: >>>> >>>>"...quantisation of highly correlated signals (such as music) results >>>> in tonal distortion components being added to the signal." >>> >>> >>>A little understanding can be a dangerous thing. >>> >>>With a 1 bit PCM data stream, there is effectively no recogisable signal. I >>>think Randy may have been talking about bit-depths down to around 8 bits. >>>However even this quanisation noise is not a type of distortion that is >>>likely to sound in any way pleasant in pretty much any style of music. >> >> >> Fans of the Atari 2600 sound chip TIA beg to differ :) Each of its >> voices is capable of about 6 unique waveforms, >> each of which is a train of 0's and 1's. >> >> Additionally, square and PWM waveforms, staples of much electronic music, >> are 1-bit waveforms. >> >> Curiously enough, the TIA can't quite make 50% duty cycle square >> waves, but several close matches, like 15/31 :) > > That's all gobbledygook for all the OP cares. He wants to CONVERT .wav > files to 1-bit form. Either he knows why he wants it, or he doesn't know > what he wants. Either way, talk of TIA and PWM won't help him.Hey man, I'm just sticking up for 1-bit waveforms! -- different MP3 every day! http://gweep.net/~shifty/snackmaster . . . . . . . . ... . . . . . . "Maybe if you ever picked up a goddamn keyboard | Niente and compiler, you'd know yourself." -Matthew 7:1 | shifty@gweep.net
