32 bit integer WAV file writer?

Richard Dobson wrote:

   ...

> To borrow the subject of another thread: what has happened to this 
> group? I thought people here believed in technical correctness, 
> answering questions, lets hear it for engineers, etc. So why all this 
> stuff?  ...

Some very knowledgeable people value sarcasm and look-how-smart-I-am 
(wink, wink) comments more. Think of it as the left-handed-monkey-wrench 
or let's-amuse-ourselves-by-mocking-newbies syndrome. I was never fond 
of those initiation rituals, from either direction.

Jerry
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Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:

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> Stupid questions deserve the dumb answers. The invasion of the dolts is 
> what is killing the group.

We've always had our share of dolts. Stupid questions deserve honest (if 
painful) statements about why they make no sense. Dumb answers drag the 
group down, along with two faults I'm guilty of: insufficient snipping, 
and changing the subject without changing the subject line.

Jerry
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Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> Stupid questions deserve the dumb answers. The invasion of the dolts is 
> what is killing the group.
> 

*NO*
_your_ 'answers' are sample of what is wrong!

*YOU* fail to distinguish between _pupils_ asking comp.dsp to do their 
homework and *STUDENTS* who innocently ask "dumb" questions out of 
innocent ignorance.

Before replying, please study differences between/among 
definition/connotation of student/pupil.

Otherwise will class you with ...

Richard Owlett wrote:

> 
> *YOU* fail to distinguish between _pupils_ asking comp.dsp to do their 
> homework and *STUDENTS* who innocently ask "dumb" questions out of 
> innocent ignorance.

There is no difference. Ignorance is always ignorance and demonstrating 
  ignorance is equal to stupidity. Worthwhile folks are trying to sort 
out their problems themself. Have you seen Avins, or Wescott, or RBJ, or 
Lyons, or Andor, or Alnor or whoever asking stupid questions?

> Before replying, please study differences between/among 
> definition/connotation of student/pupil.
> Otherwise will class you with ...

My firm belief is the best way to learn how to swim is to be thrown out 
of the boat.


VLV

Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:

> 
> 
> Richard Owlett wrote:
> 
>>
>> *YOU* fail to distinguish between _pupils_ asking comp.dsp to do their 
>> homework and *STUDENTS* who innocently ask "dumb" questions out of 
>> innocent ignorance.
> 
> 
> There is no difference. Ignorance is always ignorance and demonstrating 
>  ignorance is equal to stupidity. Worthwhile folks are trying to sort 
> out their problems themself. Have you seen Avins, or Wescott, or RBJ, or 
> Lyons, or Andor, or Alnor or whoever asking stupid questions?
> 
>> Before replying, please study differences between/among 
>> definition/connotation of student/pupil.
>> Otherwise will class you with ...
> 
> 
> My firm belief is the best way to learn how to swim is to be thrown out 
> of the boat.
> 
> 
> VLV

Suspect you are _pupil_ not *STUDENT*

Can you prove otherwise?

I've demonstrated *IGNORANCE*
BUT are you a 'student'?
[I DOUBT IT]

Richard Owlett wrote:


> 
> Suspect you are _pupil_ not *STUDENT*
> 
> Can you prove otherwise?
> 
> I've demonstrated *IGNORANCE*
> BUT are you a 'student'?
> [I DOUBT IT]

Would you mind if I add you to the plonk file?

VLV

Vladimir Vassilevsky <antispam_bogus@hotmail.com> writes:
> [...]
> My firm belief is the best way to learn how to swim is to be thrown
> out of the boat.

I would say you first give a few lessons, THEN throw them out of the
boat. 

And tell them ahead of time this is what is going to happen - that
way they'll pay more attention if they're not stupid.
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Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:

> ... Have you seen Avins, or Wescott, or RBJ, or 
> Lyons, or Andor, or Alnor or whoever asking stupid questions?

Vladimir,

I'm pleased that you don't think my questions stupid. (I know that some 
of my answers are!) You may also have noticed that I often trouble to 
answer questions that you think are stupid, or at least trying to 
explain the question's flaws. "Are we there yet" coming from the back 
seat is a stupid question when traveling down the road at speed. There 
are other circumstances that make the same question reasonable.

I am often tempted to the same sarcasm that you do so well. Knowing that 
  the momentary satisfaction I would derive from it comes at the expense 
of the group dynamic here, I usually refrain.

Jerry
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Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>> Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>>> Here is the utterly lazy method for writing WAVs:
>>>
>>> 1. Create a wav with the required parameters in the standard Windows
>>> Sound Recorder.
>>>
>>> 2. Cut the header off. If you don't want to know what is the size of
>>> the header, ~100 bytes from the beginning of the file will do.
>>>
>>> 3. Attach that header to your file :)
[...]
> I have done it that way ~20 years ago. Surprisingly, it works just fine.

For a sufficiently small definition of "works just fine". WAV files have
size markers at several places, and your method will only work for
sufficiently simple^Wstupid WAV readers (for example those that simply
do a seek(44) and read until EOF).

Actually, Windows Media Player refuses to open WAV files I wrote
although I think I conform to the specs. Didn't get around debugging
that, though: I use them for temporary storage only, and Audacity, Sound
Recorder and sox read them just fine :-)


  Stefan

Stefan Reuther wrote:

>>>Vladimir Vassilevsky wrote:
>>>>Here is the utterly lazy method for writing WAVs:
>>>>1. Create a wav with the required parameters in the standard Windows
>>>>Sound Recorder.
>>>>2. Cut the header off. If you don't want to know what is the size of
>>>>the header, ~100 bytes from the beginning of the file will do.
>>>>3. Attach that header to your file :)
> 
> [...]
> 
>>I have done it that way ~20 years ago. Surprisingly, it works just fine.
> 
> 
> For a sufficiently small definition of "works just fine". WAV files have
> size markers at several places, and your method will only work for
> sufficiently simple^Wstupid WAV readers (for example those that simply
> do a seek(44) and read until EOF).
> 
> Actually, Windows Media Player refuses to open WAV files I wrote
> although I think I conform to the specs. Didn't get around debugging
> that, though: I use them for temporary storage only, and Audacity, Sound
> Recorder and sox read them just fine :-)

It worked fine with the WMP and WinAmp too (although I would not bet 
about the latest versions). However you need to make sure that your file 
is not shorter then the original; it is OK if the file is longer.

  VLV