Moving to new form of usenet ideas?

Sorry for all the cross posting but I'm interesting in getting a serious 
discussion about how usenet has become lately.

Many people are moving away from usenet because of all the spam and cooks 
that have been showing up. The rate of spammer seem to be growing 
exponentially(ok, not really but it feels like it).

I think maybe its time to do something about it. What I'd like to see happen 
is an "upgrade" to usenet. I do not like th forum based communiations that 
has sprung up lately but since it solves many of usenet's shortcommings I 
believe that will will take over.

If many people feel the same way then maybe we can move on to something 
better and increase the efficiency and productivity that usenet was meant 
for.

Some ideas I have are:

1. Cook repellent - Some method to prevent cooks from interrupting normal 
flow. Either having a voting scheme or some type of identifying means to 
either completely remove them or at least make it easier to avoid them.

2. Spam repellent - Similar to Cooks.

3. Meta data - Have the ability to directly include graphics and things like 
TeX into messages. For those that do not want to view it they can disable it 
or have some other means to see it.

4. Specific tools for groups - Different groups have different needs for 
communication. Mathematics groups need to efficiently communicate 
mathematical formulas while electronics need to communicate schematics.

5. Moderation - Potentially give regular users of the group the ability to 
"quasi-moderate" or in general just have a wide range of options to have 
more control over groups(But not to much).

6. Non-anomality or some way to slow down spammers. Maybe better routing 
data and such.

7. Potentially "Backwards compatible" with usenet - have the ability to surf 
usenet with the same client to help make a smoother transition.
----

In any case this is extremely preliminary and just some thoughts.  It seems 
that usenet has started to go down the drain.  Hopefully there are those out 
there that are interested in keeping it alive.  I'm thinking something very 
similar to usenet but with just more "features".

If enough people are interested in doing this then maybe we can put 
something together.  All ideas and suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,
Jon 

On Oct 8, 3:13 pm, "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for all the cross posting but I'm interesting in getting a serious
> discussion about how usenet has become lately.

Usenet is usenet. What you want is a discussion forum. There are
plenty
of implementations available freely that you may modify to suit your
needs.

Please, don't cross-post to unrelated newsgroups and understand that
you are currently part of this "spam" category. Time to use this
"spam-repellent" on yourself.


Jonathan

"Jonathan Mcdougall" <jonathanmcdougall@gmail.com> wrote in message 
news:1191843018.047481.325550@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 8, 3:13 pm, "Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaugh...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Sorry for all the cross posting but I'm interesting in getting a serious
>> discussion about how usenet has become lately.
>
> Usenet is usenet. What you want is a discussion forum. There are
> plenty
> of implementations available freely that you may modify to suit your
> needs.
>

I'm trying to see if the community is interested in moving into something 
better.

> Please, don't cross-post to unrelated newsgroups and understand that
> you are currently part of this "spam" category. Time to use this
> "spam-repellent" on yourself.
>
>

Hmm... But yet its ok for you to do it? I knew someone would say such a 
thing but I guess you rather me post individually to each group?

Fortunately there is a difference between what I posted and spam.  I do not 
in general post to multiple groups and I am not posting an irrelevant 
message or trying to sell a product or waste peoples time.  What I am asking 
is relevant to all those that use usenet. It is a serious question please 
respond with a serious answer.

And hell, if you hate cross posting then please don't do it yourself.... it 
makes you look like a hypocrit.

Jon Slaughter wrote:

> Sorry for all the cross posting but I'm interesting in getting a serious
> discussion about how usenet has become lately.
>
> Many people are moving away from usenet because of all the spam and cooks

Kooks or crooks ? Or do you have a thing against haute cuisine ? Cooking with
spam doesn't count.

> that have been showing up. The rate of spammer seem to be growing
> exponentially(ok, not really but it feels like it).
>
> I think maybe its time to do something about it. What I'd like to see happen
> is an "upgrade" to usenet. I do not like th forum based communiations that
> has sprung up lately but since it solves many of usenet's shortcommings I
> believe that will will take over.

Simple. Stop Google users accessing usenet. That'll fix 90+% of the problem.

Graham

> Fortunately there is a difference between what I posted and spam.  I do 
> not in general post to multiple groups and I am not posting an irrelevant 
> message or trying to sell a product or waste peoples time.  What I am 
> asking is relevant to all those that use usenet. It is a serious question 
> please respond with a serious answer.

Don't get me wrong though. Maybe I am the only one concerned here and maybe 
I am wasting everyone's time... but compared to rest of the spam thats a 
chance I'm willing to take.

Jon Slaughter wrote:
> Sorry for all the cross posting but I'm interesting in getting a serious 
> discussion about how usenet has become lately.
> 
> Many people are moving away from usenet because of all the spam and cooks 
> that have been showing up. The rate of spammer seem to be growing 
> exponentially(ok, not really but it feels like it).
> 
> I think maybe its time to do something about it. What I'd like to see happen 
> is an "upgrade" to usenet. I do not like th forum based communiations that 
> has sprung up lately but since it solves many of usenet's shortcommings I 
> believe that will will take over.
> 
> If many people feel the same way then maybe we can move on to something 
> better and increase the efficiency and productivity that usenet was meant 
> for.
> 
> Some ideas I have are:
> 
> 1. Cook repellent - Some method to prevent cooks from interrupting normal 
> flow. Either having a voting scheme or some type of identifying means to 
> either completely remove them or at least make it easier to avoid them.

I'd be in favor of that, to a degree. If you get a bad cook, simply
sending the meal back won't solve the problem.
> 
> 2. Spam repellent - Similar to Cooks.

The worst would be cooks who prepare Spam. Though Spam is very
popular in some places (I understand that Hawaiians consume more
Spam than any other state in the US), I've never known a cook
who can prepare it well.

<snip>


Apologies in advance for waste of bandwidth,

Rick

Jon Slaughter wrote:
> Sorry for all the cross posting but I'm interesting in getting a serious 
> discussion about how usenet has become lately.
> 
> Many people are moving away from usenet because of all the spam and cooks 
> that have been showing up. The rate of spammer seem to be growing 
> exponentially(ok, not really but it feels like it).
> 
> I think maybe its time to do something about it. What I'd like to see happen 
> is an "upgrade" to usenet. I do not like th forum based communiations that 
> has sprung up lately but since it solves many of usenet's shortcommings I 
> believe that will will take over.
> 
> If many people feel the same way then maybe we can move on to something 
> better and increase the efficiency and productivity that usenet was meant 
> for.
> 
> Some ideas I have are:
> 
> 1. Cook repellent - Some method to prevent cooks from interrupting normal 
> flow. Either having a voting scheme or some type of identifying means to 
> either completely remove them or at least make it easier to avoid them.

I'd be in favor of that, to a degree. If you get a bad cook, simply
sending the meal back won't solve the problem.
> 
> 2. Spam repellent - Similar to Cooks.

The worst would be cooks who prepare Spam. Though Spam is very
popular in some places (I understand that Hawaiians consume more
Spam than any other state in the US), I've never known a cook
who can prepare it well.

<snip>


Apologies in advance for waste of bandwidth,

Rick

Jon Slaughter wrote:
> Sorry for all the cross posting but I'm interesting in getting a serious 
> discussion about how usenet has become lately.
> 
> Many people are moving away from usenet because of all the spam and cooks 
> that have been showing up. The rate of spammer seem to be growing 
> exponentially(ok, not really but it feels like it).
> 
> I think maybe its time to do something about it. What I'd like to see happen 
> is an "upgrade" to usenet. I do not like th forum based communiations that 
> has sprung up lately but since it solves many of usenet's shortcommings I 
> believe that will will take over.
> 
> If many people feel the same way then maybe we can move on to something 
> better and increase the efficiency and productivity that usenet was meant 
> for.
> 
> Some ideas I have are:
> 
> 1. Cook repellent - Some method to prevent cooks from interrupting normal 
> flow. Either having a voting scheme or some type of identifying means to 
> either completely remove them or at least make it easier to avoid them.

I'd be in favor of that, to a degree. If you get a bad cook, simply
sending the meal back won't solve the problem.
> 
> 2. Spam repellent - Similar to Cooks.

The worst would be cooks who prepare Spam. Though Spam is very
popular in some places (I understand that Hawaiians consume more
Spam than any other state in the US), I've never known a cook
who can prepare it well.

<snip>


Apologies in advance for waste of bandwidth,

Rick

Jon Slaughter wrote:
> Sorry for all the cross posting but I'm interesting in getting a serious 
> discussion about how usenet has become lately.
> 
> Many people are moving away from usenet because of all the spam and cooks 
> that have been showing up. The rate of spammer seem to be growing 
> exponentially(ok, not really but it feels like it).
> 
> I think maybe its time to do something about it. What I'd like to see happen 
> is an "upgrade" to usenet. I do not like th forum based communiations that 
> has sprung up lately but since it solves many of usenet's shortcommings I 
> believe that will will take over.
> 
> If many people feel the same way then maybe we can move on to something 
> better and increase the efficiency and productivity that usenet was meant 
> for.
> 
> Some ideas I have are:
> 
> 1. Cook repellent - Some method to prevent cooks from interrupting normal 
> flow. Either having a voting scheme or some type of identifying means to 
> either completely remove them or at least make it easier to avoid them.

I'd be in favor of that, to a degree. If you get a bad cook, simply
sending the meal back won't solve the problem.
> 
> 2. Spam repellent - Similar to Cooks.

The worst would be cooks who prepare Spam. Though Spam is very
popular in some places (I understand that Hawaiians consume more
Spam than any other state in the US), I've never known a cook
who can prepare it well.

<snip>


Apologies in advance for waste of bandwidth,

Rick

Jon Slaughter wrote:
> Sorry for all the cross posting but I'm interesting in getting a serious 
> discussion about how usenet has become lately.
> 
> Many people are moving away from usenet because of all the spam and cooks 
> that have been showing up. The rate of spammer seem to be growing 
> exponentially(ok, not really but it feels like it).
> 
> I think maybe its time to do something about it. What I'd like to see happen 
> is an "upgrade" to usenet. I do not like th forum based communiations that 
> has sprung up lately but since it solves many of usenet's shortcommings I 
> believe that will will take over.
> 
> If many people feel the same way then maybe we can move on to something 
> better and increase the efficiency and productivity that usenet was meant 
> for.
> 
> Some ideas I have are:
> 
> 1. Cook repellent - Some method to prevent cooks from interrupting normal 
> flow. Either having a voting scheme or some type of identifying means to 
> either completely remove them or at least make it easier to avoid them.

I'd be in favor of that, to a degree. If you get a bad cook, simply
sending the meal back won't solve the problem.
> 
> 2. Spam repellent - Similar to Cooks.

The worst would be cooks who prepare Spam. Though Spam is very
popular in some places (I understand that Hawaiians consume more
Spam than any other state in the US), I've never known a cook
who can prepare it well.

<snip>


Apologies in advance for waste of bandwidth,

Rick