"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in message news:u0j590lm3i8tcju32gn641bhqacrr48pnt@4ax.com...> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:19:58 -0500, "Dilip V. Sarwate" > <sarwate@YouEyeYouSee.edu> wrote: > > > > >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> averredin> >message news:6qq490517ku495ci59bebmc8m3ugfercrr@4ax.com... > >> > >> I wouldn't bother to read any of these articles if they were free, > >> which they aren't. That last title is especially ludicrous. > > > >There is a theorem, generally attributed to Solomon Golomb, > >which says that given any paper P, there exists a journal J that > >will accept it for publication. > > > > There was a recent commentary in Physics Today about the incredible > proliferation of journals and books that are full of obscure and > mediocre stuff, barely referreed if at all. Most of these journals > both charge a lot to receive them and charge the authors "page fees" > to be published. So basicly, you buy your way out of the "publish or > perish" dilemma. The proportion of journal articles that are never > cited is growing rapidly. > > I recall the PT article as saying that there are something like > 200,000 academic journals in existance now. > > JohnIn the USA there has been a lot of controversy about "out sourcing" or sending jobs to other countries. Looks like perhaps the production of academic papers in English has been outsourced also. :-) Note that this is not a comment on the value or competence of research conducted not in the US. del.
Journal of Circuits, Systems and Computers - Vol 13 No 1
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"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in message news:u0j590lm3i8tcju32gn641bhqacrr48pnt@4ax.com...> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:19:58 -0500, "Dilip V. Sarwate" > <sarwate@YouEyeYouSee.edu> wrote: > > > > >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> averred in > >message news:6qq490517ku495ci59bebmc8m3ugfercrr@4ax.com... > >> > >> I wouldn't bother to read any of these articles if they were free, > >> which they aren't. That last title is especially ludicrous. > > > >There is a theorem, generally attributed to Solomon Golomb, > >which says that given any paper P, there exists a journal J that > >will accept it for publication. > > > > There was a recent commentary in Physics Today about the incredible > proliferation of journals and books that are full of obscure and > mediocre stuff, barely referreed if at all. Most of these journals > both charge a lot to receive them and charge the authors "page fees" > to be published. So basicly, you buy your way out of the "publish or > perish" dilemma. The proportion of journal articles that are never > cited is growing rapidly. > > I recall the PT article as saying that there are something like > 200,000 academic journals in existance now. > > John >Can you cite a reference for that statistic? Ken
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On Sat, 1 May 2004 14:32:28 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote:>"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in >message news:u0j590lm3i8tcju32gn641bhqacrr48pnt@4ax.com... >> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:19:58 -0500, "Dilip V. Sarwate" >> <sarwate@YouEyeYouSee.edu> wrote: >> >> > >> >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> averred in >> >message news:6qq490517ku495ci59bebmc8m3ugfercrr@4ax.com... >> >> >> >> I wouldn't bother to read any of these articles if they were free, >> >> which they aren't. That last title is especially ludicrous. >> > >> >There is a theorem, generally attributed to Solomon Golomb, >> >which says that given any paper P, there exists a journal J that >> >will accept it for publication. >> > >> >> There was a recent commentary in Physics Today about the incredible >> proliferation of journals and books that are full of obscure and >> mediocre stuff, barely referreed if at all. Most of these journals >> both charge a lot to receive them and charge the authors "page fees" >> to be published. So basicly, you buy your way out of the "publish or >> perish" dilemma. The proportion of journal articles that are never >> cited is growing rapidly. >> >> I recall the PT article as saying that there are something like >> 200,000 academic journals in existance now. >> >> John >> >Can you cite a reference for that statistic? >It was, as I said, a commentary in a recent Physics Today. John
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"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in message news:8g76909j9kuhg859cfutgq9ih5ji9dto0c@4ax.com...> On Sat, 1 May 2004 14:32:28 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote: > > >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in > >message news:u0j590lm3i8tcju32gn641bhqacrr48pnt@4ax.com... > >> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:19:58 -0500, "Dilip V. Sarwate" > >> <sarwate@YouEyeYouSee.edu> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> averredin> >> >message news:6qq490517ku495ci59bebmc8m3ugfercrr@4ax.com... > >> >> > >> >> I wouldn't bother to read any of these articles if they were free, > >> >> which they aren't. That last title is especially ludicrous. > >> > > >> >There is a theorem, generally attributed to Solomon Golomb, > >> >which says that given any paper P, there exists a journal J that > >> >will accept it for publication. > >> > > >> > >> There was a recent commentary in Physics Today about the incredible > >> proliferation of journals and books that are full of obscure and > >> mediocre stuff, barely referreed if at all. Most of these journals > >> both charge a lot to receive them and charge the authors "page fees" > >> to be published. So basicly, you buy your way out of the "publish or > >> perish" dilemma. The proportion of journal articles that are never > >> cited is growing rapidly. > >> > >> I recall the PT article as saying that there are something like > >> 200,000 academic journals in existance now. > >> > >> John > >> > >Can you cite a reference for that statistic? > > > > It was, as I said, a commentary in a recent Physics Today. > > John > >Sorry John, my attempt at ironic humour was fairly lame. :-) Cheers. Ken
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On Sat, 1 May 2004 16:10:38 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote:>"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in >message news:8g76909j9kuhg859cfutgq9ih5ji9dto0c@4ax.com... >> On Sat, 1 May 2004 14:32:28 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote: >> >> >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in >> >message news:u0j590lm3i8tcju32gn641bhqacrr48pnt@4ax.com... >> >> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:19:58 -0500, "Dilip V. Sarwate" >> >> <sarwate@YouEyeYouSee.edu> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> averred >in >> >> >message news:6qq490517ku495ci59bebmc8m3ugfercrr@4ax.com... >> >> >> >> >> >> I wouldn't bother to read any of these articles if they were free, >> >> >> which they aren't. That last title is especially ludicrous. >> >> > >> >> >There is a theorem, generally attributed to Solomon Golomb, >> >> >which says that given any paper P, there exists a journal J that >> >> >will accept it for publication. >> >> > >> >> >> >> There was a recent commentary in Physics Today about the incredible >> >> proliferation of journals and books that are full of obscure and >> >> mediocre stuff, barely referreed if at all. Most of these journals >> >> both charge a lot to receive them and charge the authors "page fees" >> >> to be published. So basicly, you buy your way out of the "publish or >> >> perish" dilemma. The proportion of journal articles that are never >> >> cited is growing rapidly. >> >> >> >> I recall the PT article as saying that there are something like >> >> 200,000 academic journals in existance now. >> >> >> >> John >> >> >> >Can you cite a reference for that statistic? >> > >> >> It was, as I said, a commentary in a recent Physics Today. >> >> John >> >> >Sorry John, my attempt at ironic humour was fairly lame. :-) > >Cheers. > >Ken >Ah. Humor. Sorry, it's been a tough week. John
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Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote: +--------------- | Winfield Hill wrote: | > WSPC wrote... | >>Journal of Circuits, Systems and Computers | >>Vol. 13, No. 1 (February 2004) | > | > ... and buy articles for US$19.90 each. Rather obscure articles, | > e.g., "Exact Minimization Of Esop Expressions With Less Than Eight | > Product Terms." ... | | What kind of editors do they have, that pass "Less Than Eight" rather | than "Fewer Than Eight"? In a title, no less! For that kind of money, | I would expect at least basic literacy. +--------------- What, you've never heard of a circuit with 8.0 product terms? ...or 12.35 or 17.62 product terms, for that matter? ;-} ;-} -Rob ----- Rob Warnock <rpw3@rpw3.org> 627 26th Avenue <URL:http://rpw3.org/> San Mateo, CA 94403 (650)572-2607
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"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in message news:rq9690dt4qid2vpruv433pkol8lj1b4r11@4ax.com...> On Sat, 1 May 2004 16:10:38 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote: > > >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com> wrote in > >message news:8g76909j9kuhg859cfutgq9ih5ji9dto0c@4ax.com... > >> On Sat, 1 May 2004 14:32:28 +1200, "Ken Taylor" <ken@home.nz> wrote: > >> > >> >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highSNIPlandTHIStechPLEASEnology.com> wrote in > >> >message news:u0j590lm3i8tcju32gn641bhqacrr48pnt@4ax.com... > >> >> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:19:58 -0500, "Dilip V. Sarwate" > >> >> <sarwate@YouEyeYouSee.edu> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highlandSNIPtechTHISnologyPLEASE.com>averred> >in > >> >> >message news:6qq490517ku495ci59bebmc8m3ugfercrr@4ax.com... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I wouldn't bother to read any of these articles if they werefree,> >> >> >> which they aren't. That last title is especially ludicrous. > >> >> > > >> >> >There is a theorem, generally attributed to Solomon Golomb, > >> >> >which says that given any paper P, there exists a journal J that > >> >> >will accept it for publication. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> There was a recent commentary in Physics Today about the incredible > >> >> proliferation of journals and books that are full of obscure and > >> >> mediocre stuff, barely referreed if at all. Most of these journals > >> >> both charge a lot to receive them and charge the authors "page fees" > >> >> to be published. So basicly, you buy your way out of the "publish or > >> >> perish" dilemma. The proportion of journal articles that are never > >> >> cited is growing rapidly. > >> >> > >> >> I recall the PT article as saying that there are something like > >> >> 200,000 academic journals in existance now. > >> >> > >> >> John > >> >> > >> >Can you cite a reference for that statistic? > >> > > >> > >> It was, as I said, a commentary in a recent Physics Today. > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >Sorry John, my attempt at ironic humour was fairly lame. :-) > > > >Cheers. > > > >Ken > > > > Ah. Humor. Sorry, it's been a tough week. > > John >I know the feeling. Company layoffs, ignorant management lackeys - I live in a Dilbert-esque world. Cheers. Ken
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> Jerry Avins <jya@ieee.org> wrote: > +--------------- > | Winfield Hill wrote: > | > WSPC wrote... > | >>Journal of Circuits, Systems and Computers > | >>Vol. 13, No. 1 (February 2004) > | > | What kind of editors do they have, that pass "Less Than Eight" rather > | than "Fewer Than Eight"? In a title, no less!Possibly the usual kinds, as with the IEEE: Volunteer technical editors, and production copy editors who dot "i"s and cross "t"s. God help me if I defend "less than eight" countable objects, but archival technical journals (I remember one or two noble exceptions, possibly the RSI for example) are not about fine writing. Or rather to the extent that they are, it's up to the authors. And a big problem is, the authors don't know that. They read "can be shown to be caused by" and blindly emulate. This recycles dreary, phony, embarrassing style habits. (I have experience making a few style suggestions anonymously in refereeing for many years, but again that is a spotty, volunteer effort, not built in to the process.)
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Randy Yates wrote:> Roy McCammon <rbmccammon@mmm.com> writes: > > >>Randy Yates wrote: >> >> >>>Hear, hear. Too much information, too little knowledge. >> >>There, there, don't let it get you down. > > > Are you an author?I published one article in an IEEE publication about 20 years ago and an article about guard rings in a trade mag about 5 years ago.
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del cecchi wrote:> In the USA there has been a lot of controversy about "out sourcing" or > sending jobs to other countries. Looks like perhaps the production of > academic papers in English has been outsourced also. :-)No, you (the USA) just managed to make English the lingua franca of academic papers. Or rather "bad English", as the original English-publishing academic community in Oxbridge likes to say. A few centuries ago, it was all Latin (very bad Latin, if you could have asked Cicero). A few centuries in the future, who knows. Maybe we'll still publish in English, while the majority of US American citicens will speak Spanish or Mandarin. -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/
