Any comments or opinions about John Proakis' book, "Digital Signal Processing (4th Edition)"? Due note, this edition is supposed to be different from the 3rd. Is this a good DSP book if you already own Smith's and Lyon's books?
Proakis DSP book 4th ed.
Started by ●January 5, 2008
Reply by ●January 5, 20082008-01-05
"Stacy" <stacy2003_young@yahoo.com> writes:> Any comments or opinions about John Proakis' book, > "Digital Signal Processing (4th Edition)"? Due note, this edition is > supposed to be different from the 3rd. > > Is this a good DSP book if you already own Smith's and Lyon's books?The third edition is one of my three top DSP references - and I gotta believe the fourth edition is even better. -- % Randy Yates % "Though you ride on the wheels of tomorrow, %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % you still wander the fields of your %%% 919-577-9882 % sorrow." %%%% <yates@ieee.org> % '21st Century Man', *Time*, ELO http://www.digitalsignallabs.com
Reply by ●January 5, 20082008-01-05
Proakis book has been my all time favorite. I have seen the 4th Edition and seems more or less the same. If I remember properly one new chapter has been added on adaptive filters. some chapters on multirate and sampling and reconstruction have been modified and some new material got added on DCT. I think this is a must have book for people working in the area of DSP. I do not have Smith's book, but I do have Lyon's book. Regards Bharat Pathak Founder and CEO Arithos Designs www.arithos.com>Any comments or opinions about John Proakis' book, >"Digital Signal Processing (4th Edition)"? Due note, this edition is >supposed to be different from the 3rd. > >Is this a good DSP book if you already own Smith's and Lyon's books? > > >
Reply by ●January 6, 20082008-01-06
On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:12:12 -0500, Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> wrote:>"Stacy" <stacy2003_young@yahoo.com> writes: > >> Any comments or opinions about John Proakis' book, >> "Digital Signal Processing (4th Edition)"? Due note, this edition is >> supposed to be different from the 3rd. >> >> Is this a good DSP book if you already own Smith's and Lyon's books? > >The third edition is one of my three top DSP references - and I gotta >believe the fourth edition is even better.Hi Randy, Yep, I've used my copy of Proakis' & Manolakis' 3rd edition so much that the binding has completely broken apart. Ha ha. As for their 4th edition, if P&M have indeed added new multirate processing material, I'd like to see that. (Typical textbooks on multirate processing are pretty hard to read, in my opinion. I'm not being critical of the authors of such books, it's just that multirate processing is a very tough subject to explain. I have a small amount of multirate processing material in my book, and if I ever publish a 3rd edition I'll do my best to provide more multirate processing material than I have so far. I believe multirate processing is far from intuitive.) By the way, I found a fairly detailed description of the changes from P&M's 3rd edition to their 4th edition. That description is at: http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0131873741/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/103-4074302-4918248?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 See Ya', [-Rick-]
Reply by ●January 6, 20082008-01-06
>By the way, I found a fairly detailed description of the >changes from P&M's 3rd edition to their 4th edition. >That description is at: >http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0131873741/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/103-4074302-4918248?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 > >See Ya', >[-Rick-] >I read the same review on Amazon. In fact the reason I started this thread is because there were only 3 reviews and none recent. Thereby I wanted to see what the people here have to say about this book.
Reply by ●January 6, 20082008-01-06
Rick Lyons wrote:> On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 21:12:12 -0500, Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> > wrote: > >> "Stacy" <stacy2003_young@yahoo.com> writes: >> >>> Any comments or opinions about John Proakis' book, >>> "Digital Signal Processing (4th Edition)"? Due note, this edition is >>> supposed to be different from the 3rd. >>> >>> Is this a good DSP book if you already own Smith's and Lyon's books? >> The third edition is one of my three top DSP references - and I gotta >> believe the fourth edition is even better. > > Hi Randy, > Yep, I've used my copy of Proakis' & Manolakis' 3rd edition > so much that the binding has completely broken apart. Ha ha. > > As for their 4th edition, if P&M have indeed added new multirate > processing material, I'd like to see that. (Typical > textbooks on multirate processing are pretty hard to > read, in my opinion. I'm not being critical of the > authors of such books, it's just that multirate processing > is a very tough subject to explain. I have a small amount of > multirate processing material in my book, and if I ever publish > a 3rd edition I'll do my best to provide more multirate processing > material than I have so far. I believe multirate > processing is far from intuitive.) > > By the way, I found a fairly detailed description of the > changes from P&M's 3rd edition to their 4th edition. > That description is at: > http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0131873741/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/103-4074302-4918248?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 > > See Ya', > [-Rick-]Those notes make it sound like a completely different book, that just carries the same title. :-\ Steve
Reply by ●January 6, 20082008-01-06
On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:27:01 -0600, "Stacy" <stacy2003_young@yahoo.com> wrote:>>By the way, I found a fairly detailed description of the >>changes from P&M's 3rd edition to their 4th edition. >>That description is at: >>http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0131873741/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/103-4074302-4918248?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 >> >>See Ya', >>[-Rick-] >> > >I read the same review on Amazon. In fact the reason I started this thread >is because there were only 3 reviews and none recent. Thereby I wanted to >see what the people here have to say about this book.Hi Stacy, Well, when a book is published (as far as my experience shows) it takes a year or so for 10-15 legitimate "Customer Reviews" to show up on Amazon.com. If you see 5-10 Customer Reviews just a few weeks after a book has been published, there's a high probability that those reviews are fraudulent. This happened to me when I was looking for a book on OFDM. Years ago I read many wonderful reviews for an OFDM book and I bought the book. The book turned out to be the most poorly-written, unprofessional, error-prone, shameful, piece of crap technical book that I'd ever seen. When I went back to check those Customer Reviews I noticed that they were all posted just a few weeks after the book was published. So I believe those Amazon.com Customer Reviews were posted by someone who had a vested interest in selling that OFDM book. I.E., I think those reviews were fraudulent. So Stacy, don't worry that there are only three reviews for the new Proakis book. It takes a long time for *legitimate* reviews to accumulate. See Ya', [-Rick-]
Reply by ●January 7, 20082008-01-07
"Stacy" <stacy2003_young@yahoo.com> writes:>>By the way, I found a fairly detailed description of the >>changes from P&M's 3rd edition to their 4th edition. >>That description is at: >>http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0131873741/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt/103-4074302-4918248?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 >> >>See Ya', >>[-Rick-] >> > > I read the same review on Amazon. In fact the reason I started this thread > is because there were only 3 reviews and none recent. Thereby I wanted to > see what the people here have to say about this book.Do you have a library nearby you can take a look? It seems questionable enough (and expensive enough) to warrant a first-hand evaluation. If the book is as changed as the review says, then you might want to try to get a used copy of the third edition instead, especially if you're looking for basics. -- % Randy Yates % "Remember the good old 1980's, when %% Fuquay-Varina, NC % things were so uncomplicated?" %%% 919-577-9882 % 'Ticket To The Moon' %%%% <yates@ieee.org> % *Time*, Electric Light Orchestra http://www.digitalsignallabs.com
Reply by ●January 7, 20082008-01-07
Rick Lyons <R.Lyons@_BOGUS_ieee.org> wrote in news:3e53o31rmp9ktd0sjf9qi0bgf1dn8rhrqk@4ax.com:> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 12:27:01 -0600, "Stacy" > <stacy2003_young@yahoo.com> wrote: > >>>By the way, I found a fairly detailed description of the >>>changes from P&M's 3rd edition to their 4th edition. >>>That description is at: >>>http://www.amazon.com/review/product/0131873741/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_t >>>xt/103-4074302-4918248?%5Fencoding=UTF8&showViewpoints=1 >>> >>>See Ya', >>>[-Rick-] >>> >> >>I read the same review on Amazon. In fact the reason I started this >>thread is because there were only 3 reviews and none recent. Thereby I >>wanted to see what the people here have to say about this book. > > Hi Stacy, > Well, when a book is published (as far as my experience > shows) it takes a year or so for 10-15 legitimate > "Customer Reviews" to show up on Amazon.com. > > If you see 5-10 Customer Reviews just a few weeks after > a book has been published, there's a high > probability that those reviews are fraudulent. > > This happened to me when I was looking for a book > on OFDM. Years ago I read many wonderful reviews > for an OFDM book and I bought the book. > The book turned out to be the most poorly-written, > unprofessional, error-prone, shameful, piece of > crap technical book that I'd ever seen. > When I went back to check those Customer Reviews > I noticed that they were all posted just a few weeks > after the book was published. So I believe > those Amazon.com Customer Reviews were posted by > someone who had a vested interest in selling that > OFDM book. I.E., I think those reviews were fraudulent. > > So Stacy, don't worry that there are only three reviews > for the new Proakis book. It takes a long time for > *legitimate* reviews to accumulate. > > See Ya', > [-Rick-]I have a fairly respectable collection of DSP books. I missed the original post so I'm not sure what Stacy is looking for. That said, I think Proakis is one of the better DSP authors. I don't have a copy of the 4th edition, but I do have the 3rd. If I could only have a half dozen DSP books, Proakis might be one I would keep. Al Clark Danville Signal Processing, Inc.
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