difference between atan2(x,y) and atan(x/y)

i wonder if this guy *is* a hoax.  i can't figure out whether he takes
himself seriously or if he is trolling.  anyway...

On Jan 10, 1:41 pm, Eric Jacobsen <eric.jacob...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >likely have real command of English.  You maybe Russian like Vlad?
>
> He's from North Dakota.   That's even worse!
>
> And I can say that because I'm from South Dakota.   ;)

yeah!  and those original Dodge Dakota pickup commercials say South
Dakota is where the *work* is and North Dakota is where the *fun* was
(as if we have the Black Hills).

and, i'll bet money that Grover Cleveland signed the document making
North Dakota a state 15 seconds before he signed the document making
South Dakota a state.  that's why *we're* the 39th and *you're* the
40th: http://usgovinfo.about.com/blstatehood.htm

r b-j

robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> writes:

> i wonder if this guy *is* a hoax.  i can't figure out whether he takes
> himself seriously or if he is trolling.  anyway...
>
> On Jan 10, 1:41 pm, Eric Jacobsen <eric.jacob...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >likely have real command of English.  You maybe Russian like Vlad?
>>
>> He's from North Dakota.   That's even worse!
>>
>> And I can say that because I'm from South Dakota.   ;)
>
> yeah!  and those original Dodge Dakota pickup commercials say South
> Dakota is where the *work* is and North Dakota is where the *fun* was
> (as if we have the Black Hills).
>
> and, i'll bet money that Grover Cleveland signed the document making
> North Dakota a state 15 seconds before he signed the document making
> South Dakota a state.  that's why *we're* the 39th and *you're* the
> 40th: http://usgovinfo.about.com/blstatehood.htm

I believe that it was Benjamin Harrison who signed those documents.

Scott
-- 
Scott Hemphill	hemphill@alumni.caltech.edu
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On Jan 10, 4:54 pm, Scott Hemphill <hemph...@hemphills.net> wrote:
> robert bristow-johnson <r...@audioimagination.com> writes:
> > i wonder if this guy *is* a hoax.  i can't figure out whether he takes
> > himself seriously or if he is trolling.  anyway...
>
> > On Jan 10, 1:41 pm, Eric Jacobsen <eric.jacob...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> >likely have real command of English.  You maybe Russian like Vlad?
>
> >> He's from North Dakota.   That's even worse!
>
> >> And I can say that because I'm from South Dakota.   ;)
>
> > yeah!  and those original Dodge Dakota pickup commercials say South
> > Dakota is where the *work* is and North Dakota is where the *fun* was
> > (as if we have the Black Hills).
>
> > and, i'll bet money that Grover Cleveland signed the document making
> > North Dakota a state 15 seconds before he signed the document making
> > South Dakota a state.  that's why *we're* the 39th and *you're* the
> > 40th:http://usgovinfo.about.com/blstatehood.htm
>
> I believe that it was Benjamin Harrison who signed those documents.

no, it was Cleveland who signed the bill admitting the states (along
with Montana and Washington) on February 22, 1889 shortly before he
died and was succeeded by Harrison.  although it was later, November 2
(after Cleveland died) that the admissions to the union was effective.

the story is (and i think it's true) that Cleveland asked his Sec of
Interior (or State or some dumb-ass department) to suffle the two
documents and place them in front of him with the state names covered
and then he sequentially signed one after the other (which he would
have to do physically).  so one *was* signed before the other, but we
do not know which one.  i thought that was pretty clever of Cleveland
to do it that way.

r b-j

Randy Yates <yates@ieee.org> writes:

> Robert, your filthy name is safe with me...

Not me! LOL!

Ciao,

Peter K.

-- 
"And he sees the vision splendid 
of the sunlit plains extended
And at night the wondrous glory of the everlasting stars."

 

robert bristow-johnson wrote:
(snip)

> no, it was Cleveland who signed the bill admitting the states (along
> with Montana and Washington) on February 22, 1889 shortly before he
> died and was succeeded by Harrison.  although it was later, November 2
> (after Cleveland died) that the admissions to the union was effective.

> the story is (and i think it's true) that Cleveland asked his Sec of
> Interior (or State or some dumb-ass department) to suffle the two
> documents and place them in front of him with the state names covered
> and then he sequentially signed one after the other (which he would
> have to do physically).  so one *was* signed before the other, but we
> do not know which one.  i thought that was pretty clever of Cleveland
> to do it that way.

I used to see stories about presidents signing bills with something
related to the pantograph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph
that allowed many pens to be used.  That would allow him to sign
both at once, but maybe it was too early.

As I understand it, congress likes to pass out pens that were used
by the president, so it is desired to use as many pens as possible.

-- glen

On 2008-01-11 00:11:27 -0400, glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> said:

> robert bristow-johnson wrote:
> (snip)
> 
>> no, it was Cleveland who signed the bill admitting the states (along
>> with Montana and Washington) on February 22, 1889 shortly before he
>> died and was succeeded by Harrison.  although it was later, November 2
>> (after Cleveland died) that the admissions to the union was effective.
> 
>> the story is (and i think it's true) that Cleveland asked his Sec of
>> Interior (or State or some dumb-ass department) to suffle the two
>> documents and place them in front of him with the state names covered
>> and then he sequentially signed one after the other (which he would
>> have to do physically).  so one *was* signed before the other, but we
>> do not know which one.  i thought that was pretty clever of Cleveland
>> to do it that way.
> 
> I used to see stories about presidents signing bills with something
> related to the pantograph http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph
> that allowed many pens to be used.  That would allow him to sign
> both at once, but maybe it was too early.
> 
> As I understand it, congress likes to pass out pens that were used
> by the president, so it is desired to use as many pens as possible.
> 
> -- glen

If you watch the TV of a bill signing you will see the poor signer
make a minor mark and then change pen to make another minor mark.
The resulting signature must bear little resemblence to the usual
signature. But lots of pens were used!

One suspects that there may well be an official signing with one
pen and a public signing with many pens leading to two original
signed copies. The public and private versions happens with some
swearing in ceremonies for various offices.

robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> writes:

> On Jan 10, 4:54 pm, Scott Hemphill <hemph...@hemphills.net> wrote:
>> robert bristow-johnson <r...@audioimagination.com> writes:
>> > i wonder if this guy *is* a hoax.  i can't figure out whether he takes
>> > himself seriously or if he is trolling.  anyway...
>>
>> > On Jan 10, 1:41 pm, Eric Jacobsen <eric.jacob...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> >> >likely have real command of English.  You maybe Russian like Vlad?
>>
>> >> He's from North Dakota.   That's even worse!
>>
>> >> And I can say that because I'm from South Dakota.   ;)
>>
>> > yeah!  and those original Dodge Dakota pickup commercials say South
>> > Dakota is where the *work* is and North Dakota is where the *fun* was
>> > (as if we have the Black Hills).
>>
>> > and, i'll bet money that Grover Cleveland signed the document making
>> > North Dakota a state 15 seconds before he signed the document making
>> > South Dakota a state.  that's why *we're* the 39th and *you're* the
>> > 40th:http://usgovinfo.about.com/blstatehood.htm
>>
>> I believe that it was Benjamin Harrison who signed those documents.
>
> no, it was Cleveland who signed the bill admitting the states (along
> with Montana and Washington) on February 22, 1889 shortly before he
> died and was succeeded by Harrison.  although it was later, November 2
> (after Cleveland died) that the admissions to the union was effective.
>
> the story is (and i think it's true) that Cleveland asked his Sec of
> Interior (or State or some dumb-ass department) to suffle the two
> documents and place them in front of him with the state names covered
> and then he sequentially signed one after the other (which he would
> have to do physically).  so one *was* signed before the other, but we
> do not know which one.  i thought that was pretty clever of Cleveland
> to do it that way.

The Omnibus Bill of February 22, 1889, passed by Congress, and signed
by Cleveland, authorized framing of constitutions in Montana, North
Dakota, South Dakota, and Washington.  It did not admit the states
into the Union.

On November 2, 1889, proclamations formally admitting the states of
North and South Dakota into the Union were signed by Benjamin
Harrison.  Harrison instructed Secretary of State James G. Blaine to
shuffle the papers so that he would be unaware of which he was signing
first.

Grover Cleveland did not die until June 24, 1908.

Here's a North Dakota governmental site:
http://www.nd.gov/content.htm?parentCatID=74&id=Origin%20of%20the%20Name

Here's a web page owned by the state of South Dakota:
http://www.sd4history.com/Unit8/sdgovlesson2.htm

Wikipedia pages for the two states:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Dakota
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota

Historical background:
http://www.appeal-law.com/constitution/voorhees.html (see "The Omnibus Admission Act")

Scott
-- 
Scott Hemphill	hemphill@alumni.caltech.edu
"This isn't flying.  This is falling, with style."  -- Buzz Lightyear

On Jan 10, 9:11 pm, glen herrmannsfeldt <g...@ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote:

> I used to see stories about presidents signing bills with something
> related to the pantographhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantograph
> that allowed many pens to be used.  That would allow him to sign
> both at once, but maybe it was too early.

I remember seeing a pantograph on display among the items in Thomas
Jefferson's study at Monticello. If TJ had one, chances are Cleveland
could have too. He was probably just a Luddite...

EB

On Jan 11, 10:30 am, Scott Hemphill <hemph...@hemphills.net> wrote:
> robert bristow-johnson <r...@audioimagination.com> writes:
> > On Jan 10, 4:54 pm, Scott Hemphill <hemph...@hemphills.net> wrote:
> >> robert bristow-johnson <r...@audioimagination.com> writes:
> >> > i wonder if this guy *is* a hoax.  i can't figure out whether he takes
> >> > himself seriously or if he is trolling.  anyway...
>
> >> > On Jan 10, 1:41 pm, Eric Jacobsen <eric.jacob...@ieee.org> wrote:
> >> >> >likely have real command of English.  You maybe Russian like Vlad?
>
> >> >> He's from North Dakota.   That's even worse!
>
> >> >> And I can say that because I'm from South Dakota.   ;)
>
> >> > yeah!  and those original Dodge Dakota pickup commercials say South
> >> > Dakota is where the *work* is and North Dakota is where the *fun* was
> >> > (as if we have the Black Hills).
>
> >> > and, i'll bet money that Grover Cleveland signed the document making
> >> > North Dakota a state 15 seconds before he signed the document making
> >> > South Dakota a state.  that's why *we're* the 39th and *you're* the
> >> > 40th:http://usgovinfo.about.com/blstatehood.htm
>
> >> I believe that it was Benjamin Harrison who signed those documents.
>
> > no, it was Cleveland who signed the bill admitting the states (along
> > with Montana and Washington) on February 22, 1889 shortly before he
> > died and was succeeded by Harrison.  although it was later, November 2
> > (after Cleveland died) that the admissions to the union was effective.
>
> > the story is (and i think it's true) that Cleveland asked his Sec of
> > Interior (or State or some dumb-ass department) to suffle the two
> > documents and place them in front of him with the state names covered
> > and then he sequentially signed one after the other (which he would
> > have to do physically).  so one *was* signed before the other, but we
> > do not know which one.  i thought that was pretty clever of Cleveland
> > to do it that way.
>
> The Omnibus Bill of February 22, 1889, passed by Congress, and signed
> by Cleveland, authorized framing of constitutions in Montana, North
> Dakota, South Dakota, and Washington.  It did not admit the states
> into the Union.
>
> On November 2, 1889, proclamations formally admitting the states of
> North and South Dakota into the Union were signed by Benjamin
> Harrison.  Harrison instructed Secretary of State James G. Blaine to
> shuffle the papers so that he would be unaware of which he was signing
> first.
>
> Grover Cleveland did not die until June 24, 1908.

you're right on everything, Scott.  Cleveland did leave office shortly
after signing, and in those days the term of office was until some day
in March.  but he could have hardly served his second non-contiguous
term if he had died.

it's funny how we (or maybe just i) remember some portions accurately
and screw up the other portions, filling in the gaps with crap.

thanks for setting the record straight.

r b-j

robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> writes:

[snip]

> you're right on everything, Scott.  Cleveland did leave office shortly
> after signing, and in those days the term of office was until some day
> in March.  but he could have hardly served his second non-contiguous
> term if he had died.
>
> it's funny how we (or maybe just i) remember some portions accurately
> and screw up the other portions, filling in the gaps with crap.

Not just you--I'm in the same boat.  I suspect it's common to the human
condition.  ;-)

Scott
-- 
Scott Hemphill	hemphill@alumni.caltech.edu
"This isn't flying.  This is falling, with style."  -- Buzz Lightyear