On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:32:42 GMT, Gordon Sande <g.sande@worldnet.att.net> wrote:>On 2008-02-05 03:37:42 -0400, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> said: > >> Ned Simmons wrote: >>> On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:45:05 -0600, Tim Wescott <tim@seemywebsite.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I'd have to run it outside, and I can't find listings for direct-burial >>>> CAT-5 cable. Moreover, I understand that even underground runs have >>>> ground-differential problems during a lightning strike. >>> >>> The run between my office/shop and the house is cheapo cat-5 (Space >>> Shuttle brand <g> from ebay) buried in 3/4" black polyethylene water >>> line. I pulled it in 4 or 5 years ago as I pulled out the coax that >>> preceded it. The phone lines running in the same chase are interior >>> rated as well, and have been in use for almost 15 years. PVC conduit >>> bodies at both ends serve as pull boxes and a transition to PVC >>> conduit to enter the buildings. Regular nylon barb fittings connect >>> the poly pipe to the conduit bodies. >> I've considered that, but I have visions of water condensing in the >> thing, and over the years pooling. >> >> Or am I borrowing trouble? > >Two comments: > >Where I lived for a while Comcast was busy burying PVC tubing because they >were going to pull optical cable in a couple years. The existing cable >was 15 years old and having lots of trouble. It would be easy to pull the >coax in and then out for the optical stuff a bit later. No real extra expense >now and reasonable savings in the moderate future. It may have even allowed >them to use cheaper labor for the pipe burying and then the better technicians >only had to worry about purely electrical issues. > >To go wireless between building there are various directional antennas that >can be used for fixed line of sight point to point. Treat that as an >alternate to cabling and only use regular (omnidirectional) wireless for >mobility within rooms and such.http://www.binarywolf.com/249/ http://www.binarywolf.com/249/parabolic.htm http://www.instructables.com/id/Uni-Directional-WIFI-Range-Extender/ http://www.binarywolf.com/249/pringles_cantenna.htm http://www.binarywolf.com/249/pie-tin-antenna.htm http://www.binarywolf.com/249/wrt54g-hacks.htm Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
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On 05 Feb 2008 20:33:55 -0500, p.kootsookos@remove.ieee.org (Peter K.) wrote:>Steve Underwood <steveu@dis.org> writes: > >> >> You could pressurise it :-) >> > >Wow. A pneumatic transport system for fat rats. :-) > >Ciao, > >Peter K.oddly enough..that was something the guys at the loading dock occasionally did to various departments. Stick a rat in the pneumatic tube system. Some even alive. Made for interesting screams and various curses if the person plucking the shuttle didnt pay any attention to the contents until they opened it. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the shit out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner
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My apologies to anyone with net-cop tendencies: It's astonishing just how much I've grown to depend on network access. I've been having wireless problems in my office (in a detached building) for a couple of months, so I've been doing all my work from a laptop at my kitchen table. Given that we home-school, this has been a very distracting environment to try to work. It's all sorted out now -- yippie! I have to organize 210 new-to- Thunderbird email messages, but I can get datasheets on the web, I can do my email, I can download programs and upgrade virus scans and all that cool stuff! The down side (other than two months of awkwardness) is that I bought a router that I don't really need and wasted a bunch of time until I figured out it was the access point. The upside is that I now have wireless inside my shop building, for whatever good that'll do me. Tee hee! -- Tim Wescott Control systems and communications consulting http://www.wescottdesign.com Need to learn how to apply control theory in your embedded system? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" by Tim Wescott Elsevier/Newnes, http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
Reply by ●February 4, 20082008-02-04
My apologies to anyone with net-cop tendencies: It's astonishing just how much I've grown to depend on network access. I've been having wireless problems in my office (in a detached building) for a couple of months, so I've been doing all my work from a laptop at my kitchen table. Given that we home-school, this has been a very distracting environment to try to work. It's all sorted out now -- yippie! I have to organize 210 new-to- Thunderbird email messages, but I can get datasheets on the web, I can do my email, I can download programs and upgrade virus scans and all that cool stuff! The down side (other than two months of awkwardness) is that I bought a router that I don't really need and wasted a bunch of time until I figured out it was the access point. The upside is that I now have wireless inside my shop building, for whatever good that'll do me. Tee hee! -- Tim Wescott Control systems and communications consulting http://www.wescottdesign.com Need to learn how to apply control theory in your embedded system? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" by Tim Wescott Elsevier/Newnes, http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
Reply by ●February 4, 20082008-02-04
Tim Wescott wrote:> My apologies to anyone with net-cop tendencies: > > It's astonishing just how much I've grown to depend on network access. > I've been having wireless problems in my office (in a detached building) > for a couple of months, so I've been doing all my work from a laptop at > my kitchen table. Given that we home-school, this has been a very > distracting environment to try to work. > > It's all sorted out now -- yippie! I have to organize 210 new-to- > Thunderbird email messages, but I can get datasheets on the web, I can do > my email, I can download programs and upgrade virus scans and all that > cool stuff! > > The down side (other than two months of awkwardness) is that I bought a > router that I don't really need and wasted a bunch of time until I > figured out it was the access point. The upside is that I now have > wireless inside my shop building, for whatever good that'll do me. >Look at the bright side. Now you can take your laptop and sit underneath the apple tree outside when the weather is good. Whenever that might be, it's freezing out here. My advice: Run regular CAT-5. Much more reliable. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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In article <_MPpj.5731$J41.4097@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net says...> Tim Wescott wrote: > > My apologies to anyone with net-cop tendencies: > > > > It's astonishing just how much I've grown to depend on network access. > > I've been having wireless problems in my office (in a detached building) > > for a couple of months, so I've been doing all my work from a laptop at > > my kitchen table. Given that we home-school, this has been a very > > distracting environment to try to work. > > > > It's all sorted out now -- yippie! I have to organize 210 new-to- > > Thunderbird email messages, but I can get datasheets on the web, I can do > > my email, I can download programs and upgrade virus scans and all that > > cool stuff! > > > > The down side (other than two months of awkwardness) is that I bought a > > router that I don't really need and wasted a bunch of time until I > > figured out it was the access point. The upside is that I now have > > wireless inside my shop building, for whatever good that'll do me. > > > > Look at the bright side. Now you can take your laptop and sit underneath > the apple tree outside when the weather is good. Whenever that might be, > it's freezing out here. > > My advice: Run regular CAT-5. Much more reliable. > >That's what I'm considering doing. I've been through three wireless access points and routers and none of them work worth a damn. I'm online now because I'm sending ping keep-alives to the wireless router. Part of it is interference from nearby networks and that problem will only get worse as time goes on. I would have hoped they'd carve out the high end of the TV spectrum for new hom wireless networking. I'd need about 150 feet of Cat-5 to wire up the living room, dining room, and the three bedrooms. And I think I'm going to do so because it's cheaper than building a Faraday cage around the house.
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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:23:54 +0000, Joerg wrote:> Tim Wescott wrote: >> My apologies to anyone with net-cop tendencies: >> >> It's astonishing just how much I've grown to depend on network access. >> I've been having wireless problems in my office (in a detached >> building) for a couple of months, so I've been doing all my work from a >> laptop at my kitchen table. Given that we home-school, this has been a >> very distracting environment to try to work. >> >> It's all sorted out now -- yippie! I have to organize 210 new-to- >> Thunderbird email messages, but I can get datasheets on the web, I can >> do my email, I can download programs and upgrade virus scans and all >> that cool stuff! >> >> The down side (other than two months of awkwardness) is that I bought a >> router that I don't really need and wasted a bunch of time until I >> figured out it was the access point. The upside is that I now have >> wireless inside my shop building, for whatever good that'll do me. >> >> > Look at the bright side. Now you can take your laptop and sit underneath > the apple tree outside when the weather is good. Whenever that might be, > it's freezing out here. > > My advice: Run regular CAT-5. Much more reliable.I'd have to run it outside, and I can't find listings for direct-burial CAT-5 cable. Moreover, I understand that even underground runs have ground-differential problems during a lightning strike. If I could be confident that I'm not going to blow out everything on my network, and that the buried cable would last for at least 10 years I'd jump on it -- when I commisioned the garage-office all the "experts" I asked said "use wireless". -- Tim Wescott Control systems and communications consulting http://www.wescottdesign.com Need to learn how to apply control theory in your embedded system? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" by Tim Wescott Elsevier/Newnes, http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
Reply by ●February 4, 20082008-02-04
On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 02:23:54 +0000, Joerg wrote:> Tim Wescott wrote: >> My apologies to anyone with net-cop tendencies: >> >> It's astonishing just how much I've grown to depend on network access. >> I've been having wireless problems in my office (in a detached >> building) for a couple of months, so I've been doing all my work from a >> laptop at my kitchen table. Given that we home-school, this has been a >> very distracting environment to try to work. >> >> It's all sorted out now -- yippie! I have to organize 210 new-to- >> Thunderbird email messages, but I can get datasheets on the web, I can >> do my email, I can download programs and upgrade virus scans and all >> that cool stuff! >> >> The down side (other than two months of awkwardness) is that I bought a >> router that I don't really need and wasted a bunch of time until I >> figured out it was the access point. The upside is that I now have >> wireless inside my shop building, for whatever good that'll do me. >> >> > Look at the bright side. Now you can take your laptop and sit underneath > the apple tree outside when the weather is good. Whenever that might be, > it's freezing out here. > > My advice: Run regular CAT-5. Much more reliable.I'd have to run it outside, and I can't find listings for direct-burial CAT-5 cable. Moreover, I understand that even underground runs have ground-differential problems during a lightning strike. If I could be confident that I'm not going to blow out everything on my network, and that the buried cable would last for at least 10 years I'd jump on it -- when I commisioned the garage-office all the "experts" I asked said "use wireless". -- Tim Wescott Control systems and communications consulting http://www.wescottdesign.com Need to learn how to apply control theory in your embedded system? "Applied Control Theory for Embedded Systems" by Tim Wescott Elsevier/Newnes, http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html
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T wrote:> In article <_MPpj.5731$J41.4097@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, > notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net says... >> Tim Wescott wrote: >>> My apologies to anyone with net-cop tendencies: >>> >>> It's astonishing just how much I've grown to depend on network access. >>> I've been having wireless problems in my office (in a detached building) >>> for a couple of months, so I've been doing all my work from a laptop at >>> my kitchen table. Given that we home-school, this has been a very >>> distracting environment to try to work. >>> >>> It's all sorted out now -- yippie! I have to organize 210 new-to- >>> Thunderbird email messages, but I can get datasheets on the web, I can do >>> my email, I can download programs and upgrade virus scans and all that >>> cool stuff! >>> >>> The down side (other than two months of awkwardness) is that I bought a >>> router that I don't really need and wasted a bunch of time until I >>> figured out it was the access point. The upside is that I now have >>> wireless inside my shop building, for whatever good that'll do me. >>> >> Look at the bright side. Now you can take your laptop and sit underneath >> the apple tree outside when the weather is good. Whenever that might be, >> it's freezing out here. >> >> My advice: Run regular CAT-5. Much more reliable. >> >> > > That's what I'm considering doing. I've been through three wireless > access points and routers and none of them work worth a damn. I'm online > now because I'm sending ping keep-alives to the wireless router. >I don't remember where it was but I researched this quite a bit a while ago and set the wireless to a sub-band that was not the default for much other gear and away from microwave ovens, phones and such. Made it work. However, the guys who built this house were extra good and insulated every single room against the outside _and_ the other rooms using aluminum-backed fiber. You can imagine what that does to the range. 50ft at best, for a low to very low signal amplitude.> Part of it is interference from nearby networks and that problem will > only get worse as time goes on. I would have hoped they'd carve out the > high end of the TV spectrum for new hom wireless networking. >Most likely it'll go to the guys with the deepest pockets, cell phone providers.> I'd need about 150 feet of Cat-5 to wire up the living room, dining > room, and the three bedrooms. And I think I'm going to do so because > it's cheaper than building a Faraday cage around the house.It's hard if you want to do a clean job but worth it. Scraped my scalp a lot underneath the house, from nails that didn't go in straight and were left. A bit spooky, too, since you never know what else lives down there. Luckily I did not encounter a rattlesnake. Oh, and definitely take two lamps. You don't want to be at the far end of the crawl space and the flashlight breaks. While at it I ran two CAT-5 to each location plus two quad-shield coaxes. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
Reply by ●February 4, 20082008-02-04
"T" <nospam.kd1s@cox.nospam.net> wrote in message news:MPG.221194eeab2fc4e098a6b7@news.east.cox.net...> In article <_MPpj.5731$J41.4097@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, > notthisjoergsch@removethispacbell.net says... >> > > That's what I'm considering doing. I've been through three wireless > access points and routers and none of them work worth a damn. I'm online > now because I'm sending ping keep-alives to the wireless router. > > Part of it is interference from nearby networks and that problem will > only get worse as time goes on. I would have hoped they'd carve out the > high end of the TV spectrum for new hom wireless networking. >If you are still on the default channel (6), try something else, like 11. Tam
