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I've been a loyal reader of this mag for 15 years, but this is the
first article about DSP that I've seen:

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2008/06/09/080609crmu_music_frerejones/

John

On Jun 9, 6:32&#4294967295;pm, John <sampson...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been a loyal reader of this mag for 15 years, but this is the
> first article about DSP that I've seen:
>
> http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/musical/2008/06/09/080609crmu_m...
>

looks like a sorta puff piece for Andy Hildebrand.  if the author/
reporter did a little more work investigating, that person might have
found out that "pitch quantization" existed long before Autotune or
Antares.  the Eventide H3000 (which was the Harmonizer that just
preceded my few days at Eventide) did it, the later Harmonizers (that
i have code in) did it, a Pro Tools plugin, Pitch Doctor (i worked on
that, too), did it as well as stuff that TC/Helicon and perhaps
Celemony (i haven't laid fingers on Celemony, but i think it also does
pitch-correction).  but Autotune was there early as a software product
and Antares succeeded more than all others combined, in marketting it.

i gave up trying to advocate for alternatives to Autotune long ago.
they are the Microsoft in pitch-correction.  they seem to own the
market to the point that superficial reporters (even in Electronic
Musician) don't know alternatives exist and they might be better.

r b-j

robert bristow-johnson schrieb:
(...) the Eventide H3000 (which was the Harmonizer that just
> preceded my few days at Eventide) did it (...)

Holy s**t. You've worked for Eventide?

Eventide is on my top-ten list of companies that I'd like to work for 
since decades. You guys have always been decades ahead of competition.

*Kudos*
   Nils

(I know - it's OT but Eventides gear sounds so incredible.. If you're 
not a musican you will not understand my excitement)

On Jun 10, 3:08 pm, Nils <n.pipenbri...@cubic.org> wrote:
> robert bristow-johnson schrieb:
> (...) the Eventide H3000 (which was the Harmonizer that just
> > preceded my few days at Eventide) did it (...)
>
> Holy s**t. You've worked for Eventide?

1992 and 1993.

> Eventide is on my top-ten list of companies that I'd like to work for
> since decades. You guys have always been decades ahead of competition.
>

now it's "them guys".  not me.  i only worked on the DSP4000 (but i
did all the pitch-shifting DSP modules on it, plus a couple of others
- i didn't do any of the 'verbs).

>
> (I know - it's OT but Eventides gear sounds so incredible.. If you're
> not a musican you will not understand my excitement)

i'm not a very good musician (like i play a little piano/keyboard or a
little 12-string guitar for my own enjoyment only - i wouldn't want to
subject you to it) but i understand the excitement.

in 1992, Eventide lacked some very important employee benefits (not
entirely enlightened) and was also a little less than desirable
workplace at their location in Little Ferry NJ (don't expect a window
within eyesight of your work).  but, much more so than any other
company i had worked for, they had a good scope on the product
definition for this very high end market.  one thing about the
location, it was pretty close to NYC which is fun.

r b-j

robert bristow-johnson schrieb:

> now it's "them guys".  not me.  i only worked on the DSP4000 (but i
> did all the pitch-shifting DSP modules on it, plus a couple of others
> - i didn't do any of the 'verbs).

Good job you did!

Noone bought Eventide for the verbs - everyone was and still is nuts 
about the detune/pitch shift capabilities and the weird stuff.

Like this for example (Eclipse, not H4000, but well... ):

http://www.simeonharris.co.uk/eclipse/detunedspace.mp3

You've been part of a bunch of guys who have designed a signature sound. 
That does not happen every day ;-)

Cheers,
   Nils

Nils wrote:
> robert bristow-johnson schrieb:
> (...) the Eventide H3000 (which was the Harmonizer that just
>> preceded my few days at Eventide) did it (...)
> 
> Holy s**t. You've worked for Eventide?

Dunno about their products, but when I first saw "Eventide Clockworks" 
listed amongst the equipment on album sleeves long long ago, and far far 
away, I thought it was one of the coolest names I'd seen.

Steve

On Jun 10, 7:52&#4294967295;pm, Steve Underwood <ste...@dis.org> wrote:
> Nils wrote:
> > robert bristow-johnson schrieb:
> > (...) the Eventide H3000 (which was the Harmonizer that just
> >> preceded my few days at Eventide) did it (...)
>
> > Holy s**t. You've worked for Eventide?
>
> Dunno about their products, but when I first saw "Eventide Clockworks"
> listed amongst the equipment on album sleeves long long ago, and far far
> away, I thought it was one of the coolest names I'd seen.

that was long before my time there.  when it was Eventide Clockworks,
the whole thing, including manufacturing, was on west 54th Street in
NYC.  it was a different day.

they since, i dunno, sometime in the 80s, dropped the "Clockworks"
from the name.  dunno if that was a good or bad idea.

r b-j

robert bristow-johnson <rbj@audioimagination.com> writes:

> On Jun 10, 7:52&#4294967295;pm, Steve Underwood <ste...@dis.org> wrote:
>> Nils wrote:
>> > robert bristow-johnson schrieb:
>> > (...) the Eventide H3000 (which was the Harmonizer that just
>> >> preceded my few days at Eventide) did it (...)
>>
>> > Holy s**t. You've worked for Eventide?
>>
>> Dunno about their products, but when I first saw "Eventide Clockworks"
>> listed amongst the equipment on album sleeves long long ago, and far far
>> away, I thought it was one of the coolest names I'd seen.
>
> that was long before my time there.  when it was Eventide Clockworks,
> the whole thing, including manufacturing, was on west 54th Street in
> NYC.  it was a different day.
>
> they since, i dunno, sometime in the 80s, dropped the "Clockworks"
> from the name.  dunno if that was a good or bad idea.

Where does "Eventide" come from? Is it someone's name?
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Randy Yates wrote:

> 
> Where does "Eventide" come from? Is it someone's name?

Perhaps it came from this (1981, found via google):


"Title: Eventide can provide a glorious glow

Abstract:

Retirement from the world of work is one of the most significant and 
universal milestones in contemporary life. The last day of one's working 
life can be the gateway to the Golden Years or the first day of a period 
of anxiety, dislocation and loss.
"


Richard Dobson

Richard Dobson wrote:
> Randy Yates wrote:
> 
>>
>> Where does "Eventide" come from? Is it someone's name?
> 
> Perhaps it came from this (1981, found via google):
> 
> 
> "Title: Eventide can provide a glorious glow
> 
> Abstract:
> 
> Retirement from the world of work is one of the most significant and 
> universal milestones in contemporary life. The last day of one's working 
> life can be the gateway to the Golden Years or the first day of a period 
> of anxiety, dislocation and loss.
> "

Not unless Eventide Clockworks built time machines. They were around in 
the early 70s.

Regards,
Steve