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Fellow DSP Designers, A brief history as to what has transpired... In August of this year I got frustrated with the moderation of the motoroladsp users group on yahoo and requested that moderation be removed due to long delays in posting time. Not only was the request ignored, it was not even posted to the message board for discussion. My frustration led to action and I created the motoroladsp_unmoderated group. Shortly after my efforts were redirected to an 8-bit platform for a time so my activity in DSP discussions subsided. This last week, I resumed my work with the DSP and was again frustrated by the moderation on the Motorola DSP message board. This last Sunday evening I posted three to four messages and have yet to see one appear on the board, I don't know if they are in limbo or gone or what. I have seen other messages being posted and not mine and it makes me very upset. So again I took action. I contacted as many people that was easily addressable and let them know my frustration and of the alternative message board that I created. I was pleasantly surprised by the responses I got and so I'm consolidating and posting them in this e-mail to both motoroladsp and motoroladsp_unmoderated. I am also doing this on Saturday morning at 1:26am and I know that if you are reading the unmoderated board you will get this message at least two days before readers of the moderated board if at all. Since the ten or so hours since I went on my rampage I have received seven responses. As you can see from the messages the responses were mixed with three agreeing and three not even realizing that the group was moderated and one, with mixed results (from a Motorola employee none the less). I don't know how to interpret this but I am wondering now if there is not favoritism (and having worked for one of the largest semiconductor manufactures in the world myself I know it to be common practice among chip makers to lead you to believe that you will get better service because of who you are) from the moderators as to who gets posted promptly or not.... Anyway, my whole contention is to get motoroladsp unmoderated but if that does not happen then there is an alternative choice. I believe that moderation can still take place in the form of removal of inappropriate (spam/junk/offensive) messages, but I believe that the majority of post are going to be valid so let every thing through then remove the junk if any. Jacob Christ ---- I agree with you. I've spend considerable time composing messages only to see them not posted. Also, I think all comments should be posted by default so there's an online record of the shared information. I'm getting tired of saving the group's emails since they're more complete than the Motorola Dsp board. This board is a great resource and I hope this board evolves to be more usable. ---- didn't know that this group has been censored in the past. Usually I can see my posting within a couple of minutes. Yes once I was surprised that I have seen the answer before I got my back my own request. ---- Wow I am getting my messages posted almost instantly, I didn't think it was moderated but I see that they need approval. I wonder if your last name sets off some automated flag. Also, are you sure that this isn't just a problem with your service provider or how you are registered at Yahoo. Who is the moderator of this group? it isn't Motorola as far as I can tell. ---- I agree, but there is a big problem when somebody starts trash talking and the focus get spun out of control. What to do in those situations? I'll add this to my dspgroup and see how things play along. If you are looking for other peoples email I suggest you maybe put out some sort of survey or vote and have people reply directly to you. Do something really casual so yahoo and mot don't catch on to the scheme. ---- I agree, I have a feeling that Mot and or Metrowerks are the indirectly moderating and it seems like it takes forever for posts to get on the board. Why this group is moderated at all makes no sense. ---- Thanks for your message. I didn't know that the motoroladsp group on yahoo was moderated or censored, and I find this news very interesting. If you would like me to contribute to your motoroladsp_unmoderated group, please send me information on how to join. I will forward your reply to the developers I have direct contact with, so they can also decide if they want to join your motoroladsp_unmoderated group. Thanks, and I look forward to hearing back from you. ---- I will forward your idea to several people within Motorola. If you're dissatisfied with the management of the group we should be concerned. Personally, I have had mixed results in getting things posted. Sometimes it is very quick and sometimes it takes over a day. Overall the newsgroup participants at Motorola, principally within the DSP Standard Products Organization, are pleased with the uptic in activity in the group. Last month was the busiest month so far. | |||
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Moderation day one...
Started by ●October 5, 2002
Reply by ●October 7, 20022002-10-07
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Hi Jacob, If you would see all the junk mail that I filter, you and your inbox would be happy to be part of a moderated group. There are robots now that subscribe automatically to hundreds of Yahoo! groups and send spam. There are also people who subscribe to the group, then without looking at the archives ask questions that have been asked and answered in the past. With 460 subscribers, if this group was not moderated, it would become a jungle very fast. Believe me, it is just a matter of time before you find yourself in a situation where you will also need to moderate your group. There are ways though to make a moderated group faster and still junk- free: 1- When I feel that one user is reliable and makes frequent and high quality contributions, I change the rights of the user so that his/her messages are not moderated anymore. That's why people like Art Johnson and the folks at Motorola see there messages go through very fast, they are not moderated. 2- I could make more people "moderators" so that messages from moderated users would be moderated faster. I'll contact a few people in this group personnaly and ask them if they would like to become moderators. Now, I understand that when one user sends a message to the group and the message is rejected, it is frustrating. I don't know why your messages where not accepted but let me assure you that only messages that do not add anything significant to the discussions are rejected/deleted. Best Regards Stephane Boucher --- In motoroladsp@y..., "Jacob" <jacob@p...> wrote: > Fellow DSP Designers, > > A brief history as to what has transpired... > > In August of this year I got frustrated with the moderation of the > motoroladsp users group on yahoo and requested that moderation be removed > due to long delays in posting time. Not only was the request ignored, it > was not even posted to the message board for discussion. My frustration led > to action and I created the motoroladsp_unmoderated group. Shortly after my > efforts were redirected to an 8-bit platform for a time so my activity in > DSP discussions subsided. This last week, I resumed my work with the DSP > and was again frustrated by the moderation on the Motorola DSP message > board. This last Sunday evening I posted three to four messages and have > yet to see one appear on the board, I don't know if they are in limbo or > gone or what. I have seen other messages being posted and not mine and it > makes me very upset. So again I took action. I contacted as many people > that was easily addressable and let them know my frustration and of the > alternative message board that I created. I was pleasantly surprised by the > responses I got and so I'm consolidating and posting them in this e- mail to > both motoroladsp and motoroladsp_unmoderated. I am also doing this on > Saturday morning at 1:26am and I know that if you are reading the > unmoderated board you will get this message at least two days before readers > of the moderated board if at all. > > Since the ten or so hours since I went on my rampage I have received seven > responses. As you can see from the messages the responses were mixed with > three agreeing and three not even realizing that the group was moderated and > one, with mixed results (from a Motorola employee none the less). > > I don't know how to interpret this but I am wondering now if there is not > favoritism (and having worked for one of the largest semiconductor > manufactures in the world myself I know it to be common practice among chip > makers to lead you to believe that you will get better service because of > who you are) from the moderators as to who gets posted promptly or not.... > Anyway, my whole contention is to get motoroladsp unmoderated but if that > does not happen then there is an alternative choice. I believe that > moderation can still take place in the form of removal of inappropriate > (spam/junk/offensive) messages, but I believe that the majority of post are > going to be valid so let every thing through then remove the junk if any. > > Jacob Christ > jacob@p... > > ---- > > I agree with you. I've spend considerable time composing messages only to > see them not posted. Also, I think all comments should be posted by default > so there's an online record of the shared information. I'm getting tired of > saving the group's emails since they're more complete than the Motorola Dsp > board. This board is a great resource and I hope this board evolves to be > more usable. > > ---- > > didn't know that this group has been censored in the past. Usually I can see > my posting within a couple of minutes. Yes once I was surprised that I have > seen the answer before I got my back my own request. > > ---- > > Wow I am getting my messages posted almost instantly, I didn't think it was > moderated but I see that they need approval. > > I wonder if your last name sets off some automated flag. Also, are you sure > that this isn't just a problem with your service provider or how you are > registered at Yahoo. Who is the moderator of this group? it isn't Motorola > as far as I can tell. > > ---- > > I agree, but there is a big problem when somebody starts trash talking and > the focus get spun out of control. What to do in those situations? I'll add > this to my dspgroup and see how things play along. If you are looking for > other peoples email I suggest you maybe put out some sort of survey or vote > and have people reply directly to you. Do something really casual so yahoo > and mot don't catch on to the scheme. > > ---- > > I agree, > > I have a feeling that Mot and or Metrowerks are the indirectly moderating > and it seems like it takes forever for posts to get on the board. > > Why this group is moderated at all makes no sense. > > ---- > > Thanks for your message. I didn't know that the motoroladsp group on yahoo > was moderated or censored, and I find this news very interesting. If you > would like me to contribute to your motoroladsp_unmoderated group, please > send me information on how to join. > > I will forward your reply to the developers I have direct contact with, so > they can also decide if they want to join your motoroladsp_unmoderated > group. > > Thanks, and I look forward to hearing back from you. > > ---- > > I will forward your idea to several people within Motorola. If you're > dissatisfied with the management of the group we should be concerned. > Personally, I have had mixed results in getting things posted. Sometimes it > is very quick and sometimes it takes over a day. Overall the newsgroup > participants at Motorola, principally within the DSP Standard Products > Organization, are pleased with the uptic in activity in the group. Last > month was the busiest month so far. |
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Censored or not, this group has the highest quality of content that I have ever seen in a newsgroup!!! Perhaps it has been frustrating, however, reasonable questions or answers seem to get posted in a reasonable amout of time. This is not a chat-room, nor should it be. Jerry (JJ) Johnson
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Stephane, Firstly, thank you for the work you've done in organizing and moderating this and other groups. Although I mostly lurk here, I've learned alot from the postings I've read on this board. Regarding your reasons for tight moderation, I was rejected from joining a yahoo group recently because the moderator thought I may have been a spammer due to my having a yahoo address, so I have heard of the problems you describe and understand your concern. A personal email to him cleared that situation up in the end. I would like to respectfully request, though, that the bar for being deemed trustworthy be lowered. I think that the activity on the group would grow dramatically if a person could become unmoderated once they were verified to not be a spammer. This might mean that some posts would pertain to subjects that have already been discussed but (IMHO) it would also mean that the user friendlyness of the group would shoot through the roof (for those who are still moderated). Perhaps you could poll users to see if they'd put up with a few repeated subjects or strange posts in order to have a more free exchange of ideas? Regards, Ed Rivas --- s_boucheryah <> wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > If you would see all the junk mail that I filter, > you and your inbox > would be happy to be part of a moderated group. > There are robots now > that subscribe automatically to hundreds of Yahoo! > groups and send > spam. There are also people who subscribe to the > group, then without > looking at the archives ask questions that have been > asked and > answered in the past. With 460 subscribers, if this > group was not > moderated, it would become a jungle very fast. > Believe me, it is just a matter of time before you > find yourself in a > situation where you will also need to moderate your > group. > > There are ways though to make a moderated group > faster and still junk- > free: > 1- When I feel that one user is reliable and makes > frequent and high > quality contributions, I change the rights of the > user so that > his/her messages are not moderated anymore. That's > why people like > Art Johnson and the folks at Motorola see there > messages go through > very fast, they are not moderated. > 2- I could make more people "moderators" so that > messages from > moderated users would be moderated faster. I'll > contact a few people > in this group personnaly and ask them if they would > like to become > moderators. > > Now, I understand that when one user sends a message > to the group and > the message is rejected, it is frustrating. I don't > know why your > messages where not accepted but let me assure you > that only messages > that do not add anything significant to the > discussions are > rejected/deleted. > > Best Regards > > Stephane Boucher > --- In motoroladsp@y..., "Jacob" <jacob@p...> wrote: > > Fellow DSP Designers, > > > > A brief history as to what has transpired... > > > > In August of this year I got frustrated with the > moderation of the > > motoroladsp users group on yahoo and requested > that moderation be > removed > > due to long delays in posting time. Not only was > the request > ignored, it > > was not even posted to the message board for > discussion. My > frustration led > > to action and I created the > motoroladsp_unmoderated group. Shortly > after my > > efforts were redirected to an 8-bit platform for a > time so my > activity in > > DSP discussions subsided. This last week, I > resumed my work with > the DSP > > and was again frustrated by the moderation on the > Motorola DSP > message > > board. This last Sunday evening I posted three to > four messages > and have > > yet to see one appear on the board, I don't know > if they are in > limbo or > > gone or what. I have seen other messages being > posted and not mine > and it > > makes me very upset. So again I took action. I > contacted as many > people > > that was easily addressable and let them know my > frustration and of > the > > alternative message board that I created. I was > pleasantly > surprised by the > > responses I got and so I'm consolidating and > posting them in this e- > mail to > > both motoroladsp and motoroladsp_unmoderated. I > am also doing this > on > > Saturday morning at 1:26am and I know that if you > are reading the > > unmoderated board you will get this message at > least two days > before readers > > of the moderated board if at all. > > > > Since the ten or so hours since I went on my > rampage I have > received seven > > responses. As you can see from the messages the > responses were > mixed with > > three agreeing and three not even realizing that > the group was > moderated and > > one, with mixed results (from a Motorola employee > none the less). > > > > I don't know how to interpret this but I am > wondering now if there > is not > > favoritism (and having worked for one of the > largest semiconductor > > manufactures in the world myself I know it to be > common practice > among chip > > makers to lead you to believe that you will get > better service > because of > > who you are) from the moderators as to who gets > posted promptly or > not.... > > Anyway, my whole contention is to get motoroladsp > unmoderated but > if that > > does not happen then there is an alternative > choice. I believe that > > moderation can still take place in the form of > removal of > inappropriate > > (spam/junk/offensive) messages, but I believe that > the majority of > post are > > going to be valid so let every thing through then > remove the junk > if any. > > > > Jacob Christ > > jacob@p... > > > > ---- > > > > I agree with you. I've spend considerable time > composing messages > only to > > see them not posted. Also, I think all comments > should be posted by > default > > so there's an online record of the shared > information. I'm getting > tired of > > saving the group's emails since they're more > complete than the > Motorola Dsp > > board. This board is a great resource and I hope > this board evolves > to be > > more usable. > > > > ---- > > > > didn't know that this group has been censored in > the past. Usually > I can see > > my posting within a couple of minutes. Yes once I > was surprised > that I have > > seen the answer before I got my back my own > request. > > > > ---- > > > > Wow I am getting my messages posted almost > instantly, I didn't > think it was > > moderated but I see that they need approval. > > > > I wonder if your last name sets off some automated > flag. Also, are > you sure > > that this isn't just a problem with your service > provider or how > you are > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ |
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>There are ways though to make a moderated group faster and still
junk- >free: >1- When I feel that one user is reliable and makes frequent and high >quality contributions, I change the rights of the user so that >his/her messages are not moderated anymore. That's why people like >Art Johnson and the folks at Motorola see there messages go through >very fast, they are not moderated. IMHO, any spammer is NOT going to lurk for a few months. ANYONE who has been a member for say 2 months should AUTOMATICALLY become unmoderated. Having to prove "reliable and makes frequent and high >quality contributions" to be allowed to post is, again IMHO, quite offensive. Whatever happened to the basic human right of "innocent until proven guilty". Perhaps we could just remove those that cause trouble. In case Motorola has forgotten, we're CUSTOMERS. Andrew intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) |
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This is very reasonable. I like the ideas of more moderators or trusted users is a good one. The only other message boards that I have participated in were for Borland C++ builder. On those message boards I was quite accustom to a question I asked being answered in minutes due to the large number of user and there willingness to help, and when I don't see a message posted for days... well... Its true that the topics were repeated over an over on those boards, but it seemed less of an encumbrance than not getting heard. If you think there would be too much activity if every question asked was posted then maybe there should be separate discussion boards. Some ideas... Linking and Compiling SDK and Applications Chip level Jacob --- In motoroladsp@y..., "s_boucheryah" <webmaster@d...> wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > If you would see all the junk mail that I filter, you and your inbox > would be happy to be part of a moderated group. There are robots now > that subscribe automatically to hundreds of Yahoo! groups and send > spam. There are also people who subscribe to the group, then without > looking at the archives ask questions that have been asked and > answered in the past. With 460 subscribers, if this group was not > moderated, it would become a jungle very fast. > Believe me, it is just a matter of time before you find yourself in a > situation where you will also need to moderate your group. > > There are ways though to make a moderated group faster and still junk- > free: > 1- When I feel that one user is reliable and makes frequent and high > quality contributions, I change the rights of the user so that > his/her messages are not moderated anymore. That's why people like > Art Johnson and the folks at Motorola see there messages go through > very fast, they are not moderated. > 2- I could make more people "moderators" so that messages from > moderated users would be moderated faster. I'll contact a few people > in this group personnaly and ask them if they would like to become > moderators. > > Now, I understand that when one user sends a message to the group and > the message is rejected, it is frustrating. I don't know why your > messages where not accepted but let me assure you that only messages > that do not add anything significant to the discussions are > rejected/deleted. > > Best Regards > > Stephane Boucher > --- In motoroladsp@y..., "Jacob" <jacob@p...> wrote: > > Fellow DSP Designers, > > > > A brief history as to what has transpired... > > > > In August of this year I got frustrated with the moderation of the > > motoroladsp users group on yahoo and requested that moderation be > removed > > due to long delays in posting time. Not only was the request > ignored, it > > was not even posted to the message board for discussion. My > frustration led > > to action and I created the motoroladsp_unmoderated group. Shortly > after my > > efforts were redirected to an 8-bit platform for a time so my > activity in > > DSP discussions subsided. This last week, I resumed my work with > the DSP > > and was again frustrated by the moderation on the Motorola DSP > message > > board. This last Sunday evening I posted three to four messages > and have > > yet to see one appear on the board, I don't know if they are in > limbo or > > gone or what. I have seen other messages being posted and not mine > and it > > makes me very upset. So again I took action. I contacted as many > people > > that was easily addressable and let them know my frustration and of > the > > alternative message board that I created. I was pleasantly > surprised by the > > responses I got and so I'm consolidating and posting them in this e- > mail to > > both motoroladsp and motoroladsp_unmoderated. I am also doing this > on > > Saturday morning at 1:26am and I know that if you are reading the > > unmoderated board you will get this message at least two days > before readers > > of the moderated board if at all. > > > > Since the ten or so hours since I went on my rampage I have > received seven > > responses. As you can see from the messages the responses were > mixed with > > three agreeing and three not even realizing that the group was > moderated and > > one, with mixed results (from a Motorola employee none the less). > > > > I don't know how to interpret this but I am wondering now if there > is not > > favoritism (and having worked for one of the largest semiconductor > > manufactures in the world myself I know it to be common practice > among chip > > makers to lead you to believe that you will get better service > because of > > who you are) from the moderators as to who gets posted promptly or > not.... > > Anyway, my whole contention is to get motoroladsp unmoderated but > if that > > does not happen then there is an alternative choice. I believe that > > moderation can still take place in the form of removal of > inappropriate > > (spam/junk/offensive) messages, but I believe that the majority of > post are > > going to be valid so let every thing through then remove the junk > if any. > > > > Jacob Christ > > jacob@p... > > > > ---- > > > > I agree with you. I've spend considerable time composing messages > only to > > see them not posted. Also, I think all comments should be posted by > default > > so there's an online record of the shared information. I'm getting > tired of > > saving the group's emails since they're more complete than the > Motorola Dsp > > board. This board is a great resource and I hope this board evolves > to be > > more usable. > > > > ---- > > > > didn't know that this group has been censored in the past. Usually > I can see > > my posting within a couple of minutes. Yes once I was surprised > that I have > > seen the answer before I got my back my own request. > > > > ---- > > > > Wow I am getting my messages posted almost instantly, I didn't > think it was > > moderated but I see that they need approval. > > > > I wonder if your last name sets off some automated flag. Also, are > you sure > > that this isn't just a problem with your service provider or how > you are > > registered at Yahoo. Who is the moderator of this group? it isn't > Motorola > > as far as I can tell. > > > > ---- > > > > I agree, but there is a big problem when somebody starts trash > talking and > > the focus get spun out of control. What to do in those situations? > I'll add > > this to my dspgroup and see how things play along. If you are > looking for > > other peoples email I suggest you maybe put out some sort of survey > or vote > > and have people reply directly to you. Do something really casual > so yahoo > > and mot don't catch on to the scheme. > > > > ---- > > > > I agree, > > > > I have a feeling that Mot and or Metrowerks are the indirectly > moderating > > and it seems like it takes forever for posts to get on the board. > > > > Why this group is moderated at all makes no sense. > > > > ---- > > > > Thanks for your message. I didn't know that the motoroladsp group > on yahoo > > was moderated or censored, and I find this news very interesting. > If you > > would like me to contribute to your motoroladsp_unmoderated group, > please > > send me information on how to join. > > > > I will forward your reply to the developers I have direct contact > with, so > > they can also decide if they want to join your > motoroladsp_unmoderated > > group. > > > > Thanks, and I look forward to hearing back from you. > > > > ---- > > > > I will forward your idea to several people within Motorola. If > you're > > dissatisfied with the management of the group we should be > concerned. > > Personally, I have had mixed results in getting things posted. > Sometimes it > > is very quick and sometimes it takes over a day. Overall the > newsgroup > > participants at Motorola, principally within the DSP Standard > Products > > Organization, are pleased with the uptic in activity in the group. > Last > > month was the busiest month so far. |
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Stephane, I would like you to know that I fully support Ed's suggestion. It doesn't bother me at all that some of the messages are repeats of earlier questions, or are (in UNIX parlance) RTFM questions. I have all of my messages saved in a special folder, so when a "repeat" question comes up, I copy the relevant block from my earlier message, it only takes me a few seconds. If it bothers someone else, all they have to do is hit their Delete key. Regards, Art Johnson Senior Systems Analyst PMC Prime Mover Controls Inc. 3600 Gilmore Way Burnaby, B.C., Canada V5G 4R8 Phone: 604 433-4644 FAX: 604 433-5570 Email: http://www.pmc-controls.com -----Original Message----- From: Edward Rivas [mailto:] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 9:00 AM To: s_boucheryah; Subject: Re: [motoroladsp] Re: Moderation day one... Stephane, Firstly, thank you for the work you've done in organizing and moderating this and other groups. Although I mostly lurk here, I've learned alot from the postings I've read on this board. Regarding your reasons for tight moderation, I was rejected from joining a yahoo group recently because the moderator thought I may have been a spammer due to my having a yahoo address, so I have heard of the problems you describe and understand your concern. A personal email to him cleared that situation up in the end. I would like to respectfully request, though, that the bar for being deemed trustworthy be lowered. I think that the activity on the group would grow dramatically if a person could become unmoderated once they were verified to not be a spammer. This might mean that some posts would pertain to subjects that have already been discussed but (IMHO) it would also mean that the user friendlyness of the group would shoot through the roof (for those who are still moderated). Perhaps you could poll users to see if they'd put up with a few repeated subjects or strange posts in order to have a more free exchange of ideas? Regards, Ed Rivas --- s_boucheryah <> wrote: > Hi Jacob, > > If you would see all the junk mail that I filter, > you and your inbox > would be happy to be part of a moderated group. > There are robots now > that subscribe automatically to hundreds of Yahoo! > groups and send > spam. There are also people who subscribe to the > group, then without > looking at the archives ask questions that have been > asked and > answered in the past. With 460 subscribers, if this > group was not > moderated, it would become a jungle very fast. > Believe me, it is just a matter of time before you > find yourself in a > situation where you will also need to moderate your > group. > > There are ways though to make a moderated group > faster and still junk- > free: > 1- When I feel that one user is reliable and makes > frequent and high > quality contributions, I change the rights of the > user so that > his/her messages are not moderated anymore. That's > why people like > Art Johnson and the folks at Motorola see there > messages go through > very fast, they are not moderated. > 2- I could make more people "moderators" so that > messages from > moderated users would be moderated faster. I'll > contact a few people > in this group personnaly and ask them if they would > like to become > moderators. > > Now, I understand that when one user sends a message > to the group and > the message is rejected, it is frustrating. I don't > know why your > messages where not accepted but let me assure you > that only messages > that do not add anything significant to the > discussions are > rejected/deleted. > > Best Regards > > Stephane Boucher > --- In motoroladsp@y..., "Jacob" <jacob@p...> wrote: > > Fellow DSP Designers, > > > > A brief history as to what has transpired... > > > > In August of this year I got frustrated with the > moderation of the > > motoroladsp users group on yahoo and requested > that moderation be > removed > > due to long delays in posting time. Not only was > the request > ignored, it > > was not even posted to the message board for > discussion. My > frustration led > > to action and I created the > motoroladsp_unmoderated group. Shortly > after my > > efforts were redirected to an 8-bit platform for a > time so my > activity in > > DSP discussions subsided. This last week, I > resumed my work with > the DSP > > and was again frustrated by the moderation on the > Motorola DSP > message > > board. This last Sunday evening I posted three to > four messages > and have > > yet to see one appear on the board, I don't know > if they are in > limbo or > > gone or what. I have seen other messages being > posted and not mine > and it > > makes me very upset. So again I took action. I > contacted as many > people > > that was easily addressable and let them know my > frustration and of > the > > alternative message board that I created. I was > pleasantly > surprised by the > > responses I got and so I'm consolidating and > posting them in this e- > mail to > > both motoroladsp and motoroladsp_unmoderated. I > am also doing this > on > > Saturday morning at 1:26am and I know that if you > are reading the > > unmoderated board you will get this message at > least two days > before readers > > of the moderated board if at all. > > > > Since the ten or so hours since I went on my > rampage I have > received seven > > responses. As you can see from the messages the > responses were > mixed with > > three agreeing and three not even realizing that > the group was > moderated and > > one, with mixed results (from a Motorola employee > none the less). > > > > I don't know how to interpret this but I am > wondering now if there > is not > > favoritism (and having worked for one of the > largest semiconductor > > manufactures in the world myself I know it to be > common practice > among chip > > makers to lead you to believe that you will get > better service > because of > > who you are) from the moderators as to who gets > posted promptly or > not.... > > Anyway, my whole contention is to get motoroladsp > unmoderated but > if that > > does not happen then there is an alternative > choice. I believe that > > moderation can still take place in the form of > removal of > inappropriate > > (spam/junk/offensive) messages, but I believe that > the majority of > post are > > going to be valid so let every thing through then > remove the junk > if any. > > > > Jacob Christ > > jacob@p... > > > > ---- > > > > I agree with you. I've spend considerable time > composing messages > only to > > see them not posted. Also, I think all comments > should be posted by > default > > so there's an online record of the shared > information. I'm getting > tired of > > saving the group's emails since they're more > complete than the > Motorola Dsp > > board. This board is a great resource and I hope > this board evolves > to be > > more usable. > > > > ---- > > > > didn't know that this group has been censored in > the past. Usually > I can see > > my posting within a couple of minutes. Yes once I > was surprised > that I have > > seen the answer before I got my back my own > request. > > > > ---- > > > > Wow I am getting my messages posted almost > instantly, I didn't > think it was > > moderated but I see that they need approval. > > > > I wonder if your last name sets off some automated > flag. Also, are > you sure > > that this isn't just a problem with your service > provider or how > you are > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ _____________________________________ Note: If you do a simple "reply" with your email client, only the author of this message will receive your answer. You need to do a "reply all" if you want your answer to be distributed to the entire group. _____________________________________ About this discussion group: To Join: To Post: To Leave: Archives: http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/motoroladsp More Groups: http://www.dsprelated.com/groups.php3 ">http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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> In case Motorola has forgotten, we're CUSTOMERS. First let me clarify this: This discussion group was not created by Motorola and it is not owned by them. I created the discussion group in 1999 (as well as the web site dsprelated.com) because I felt there was a need for it to complement comp.dsp. > Having to prove "reliable and makes frequent and high quality > contributions" to be allowed to post is, again IMHO, quite > offensive. One doesn't have to make frequent contributions to be allowed to post, but only to become an "unmoderated" member. I will take Edward's advice and "lower the bar" so that more members will become unmoderated members within the next few days/weeks. I will also give the moderator's priviledge to a few members so that moderated members should see their messages approved or rejected faster. In any case, our common goal is to have a high quality discussion group. I understand though that we might all have slightly different views about what a "high quality" discussion group is. I will do my best to please as many members as possible. Your inputs are always welcomed. Thanks. Stephane Boucher --- In motoroladsp@y..., "Andrew Glossop" <andrew@i...> wrote: > >There are ways though to make a moderated group faster and still junk- > >free: > >1- When I feel that one user is reliable and makes frequent and high > >quality contributions, I change the rights of the user so that > >his/her messages are not moderated anymore. That's why people like > >Art Johnson and the folks at Motorola see there messages go through > >very fast, they are not moderated. > > IMHO, any spammer is NOT going to lurk for a few months. ANYONE who has been a member for say 2 months should AUTOMATICALLY become unmoderated. Having to prove "reliable and makes frequent and high > >quality contributions" to be allowed to post is, again IMHO, quite offensive. > > Whatever happened to the basic human right of "innocent until proven guilty". Perhaps we could just remove those that cause trouble. > > In case Motorola has forgotten, we're CUSTOMERS. > > Andrew > > intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) |
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Reply by ●October 7, 20022002-10-07
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Andrew- > >There are ways though to make a moderated group faster and still junk- > >free: > >1- When I feel that one user is reliable and makes frequent and high > >quality contributions, I change the rights of the user so that > >his/her messages are not moderated anymore. That's why people like > >Art Johnson and the folks at Motorola see there messages go through > >very fast, they are not moderated. > > IMHO, any spammer is NOT going to lurk for a few months. ANYONE who has been a member for say 2 months should AUTOMATICALLY become unmoderated. Having to prove "reliable and makes frequent and high > >quality contributions" to be allowed to post is, again IMHO, quite offensive. The moderator's work has to be difficult, time-consuming, and boring, but nonetheless carrying a high level of responsibility. Participants expect a clean group, with technically focused and valuable discussion, and they count on Stephane and his monitors for that. Taking the step of allowing "contributing", "reliable" members to be automatically posted is a risky step, one that I'm sure Stephane did not take lightly. Length of membership in the group says nothing about the person/entity or their purpose. A member could be anyone -- including spammers who figure out they need to sign up and wait, or who try periodically via computer-generated spam-blasting. After all Stephane did imply he routinely removes a lot of mails; whoever the senders are, they can't all be dumb enough to be fooled by a 2 month wait requirement. Jeff Brower DSP sw/hw engineer Signalogic |
Reply by ●October 8, 20022002-10-08
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When Motorola posted a link to this message board on its web site it became or at least appeared to me, as well as I'm sure others, that it was a Motorola sponsered message board. Jacob --- In motoroladsp@y..., "s_boucheryah" <webmaster@d...> wrote: > > In case Motorola has forgotten, we're CUSTOMERS. > > First let me clarify this: This discussion group was not created by > Motorola and it is not owned by them. I created the discussion group > in 1999 (as well as the web site dsprelated.com) because I felt there |
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